[USMA:47905] Re: AP Guidelines

2010-06-21 Thread Carleton MacDonald
However, the AP is not God. As writers, we can choose to ignore them. Carleton -Original Message- From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of Robert H. Bushnell Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 17:39 To: U.S. Metric Association Cc: USMA Subject: [USMA:47894]

[USMA:47903] Re: The metric system or what?

2010-06-21 Thread John M. Steele
That seems a strange description of them, and not all like their own description which is to provide a basis for global harmonization of legal metrology.  They certainly place the SI above "other units."  Nonetheless, they do provide a basis for the definition of other units.  Many of their pub

[USMA:47902] Re: [Fwd: Intelligent posting]

2010-06-21 Thread James R. Frysinger
Dear Pat, Yes, and as you know, I've been the source of much of that dripping water that I hope will erode the resistance in the U.S. to the metric system. In the world of hams, 73 is usually taken as "best regards". But rest assured. We all love you here. Grin. Others here might enjoy re

[USMA:47901] Re: The metric system or what?

2010-06-21 Thread Pat Naughtin
On 2010/06/22, at 08:44 , John M. Steele wrote: Pat, May I offer some disagreement with the point below. OIML Recommendation 63 and ISO Stds. 91-1 and 91-2 explicitly endorse the API Petroleum Measurement Tables 1-60. While this do include metric, they also include API gravity, US gallo

[USMA:47900] Re: [Fwd: Intelligent posting]

2010-06-21 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear Jim, Congratulations on your letter to QST. Letters like yours are the sorts of efforts that I believe are especially powerful in getting more followers for the metric system, see the 6 minute TED Talk at http://www.ted.com/talks/derek_sivers_how_to_start_a_movement.html for a giggle.

[USMA:47899] Re: fonts and superscripts in SI

2010-06-21 Thread Bill Hooper
On Jun 21 , at 9:14 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > Btw, I don't have Zapfino, so I can't read it the way you wrote it. Sorry! I was afraid that might be the case. Here (attached) is a PDF file showing the comparison of samples of two fonts (Helvetica and Zapfino). I hope you can read this. I adm

[USMA:47898] [Fwd: Intelligent posting]

2010-06-21 Thread James R. Frysinger
This is a copy of the email I sent just now to the author of a report in QST, pertinent to my recent posting. The address list included some of the "powers that be" in QST and ARRL. Jim Original Message Subject: Intelligent posting Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:41:21 -0500 From

[USMA:47897] Metric item in QST

2010-06-21 Thread James R. Frysinger
QST is a monthly magazine and journal published by the American Radio Relay League (ARRL). ARRL has long irritated me by publishing design articles and figures in non-metric units in QST and its other publications. This is especially idiotic, in my view, when discussing antennae. The amateur

[USMA:47896] Re: The metric system or what?

2010-06-21 Thread John M. Steele
Pat, May I offer some disagreement with the point below.  OIML Recommendation 63 and ISO Stds. 91-1 and 91-2 explicitly endorse the API Petroleum Measurement Tables 1-60.  While this do include metric, they also include API gravity, US gallons and barrels, long and short tons. and even (oh the

[USMA:47894] Re: AP Guidelines

2010-06-21 Thread Robert H. Bushnell
How do we know? Well. I have the 2009 AP Stylebook in my hand. I got it from the boulder Public library. The text quoted is on page 173 listed as metric system. This is the only place in the stylebook that says do not use metric: "use metric terms only in situations where they are universally

[USMA:47893] Re: AP Guidelines

2010-06-21 Thread Pat Naughtin
On 2010/06/22, at 03:29 , wrote: Pat, How do we know this pro-metric "Scriptorium" is actually extracted from the AP Stylebook? Gene. Dear Gene, I don't. I only forwarded the item as of interest in any discussion about the AP Style Book. If nothing else it shows that others are al

[USMA:47892] Re: Type size

2010-06-21 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear John and John, Thanks for your comments. I should have been more careful. My email to Pierre, with corrections, would now read: Dear Pierre, You're right, as a unit, centimetre is too big for type size – and so is millimetre as it would necessarily involve fractions of some sort that

[USMA:47891] Re: AP Guidelines

2010-06-21 Thread John M. Steele
My reading of it is that only the brief quote at the top is from the AP Stylebook.  The rest is his interpretation.  But I get that impression from crawling around the rest of the site. From: "mech...@illinois.edu" To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Mon, June

[USMA:47890] Re: AP Guidelines

2010-06-21 Thread mechtly
Pat, How do we know this pro-metric "Scriptorium" is actually extracted from the AP Stylebook? Gene. Original message >Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 17:48:31 +1000 >From: Pat Naughtin >Subject: [USMA:47887] AP Guidelines >To: "U.S. Metric Association" > > Dear All, > For those wit

[USMA:47889] Re: Type size

2010-06-21 Thread John Frewen-Lord
I checked some books and magazines (North American and UK). Most type size (upper case, as well as letters with upper extenders) is between 2.0 and 2.5 mm. Larger for headlines, etc. John F-L - Original Message - From: John M. Steele To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Monday, Jun

[USMA:47888] Re: Type size

2010-06-21 Thread John M. Steele
Pat, Double-check those types sizes.  I don't think I could read a book with 0.5 mm type. I measured text in the Wall Street Journal and a few books.  Normal body text seems to be about 1.4 mm lower case letters, 2 mm capitals.  To include larger fonts in headlines, I would probably stick with

[USMA:47887] AP Guidelines

2010-06-21 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear All, For those with an interest in the AP Style Guide you might find this interesting: http://editingmonks.blogspot.com/2010/06/metrics-in-stories-aps-guideline.html Cheers, Pat Naughtin Author of the ebook, Metrication Leaders Guide, see http://metricationmatters.com/MetricationLeader

[USMA:47886] Type size

2010-06-21 Thread Pat Naughtin
On 2010/06/21, at 07:48 , Pierre Abbat wrote: The *type size* in centimeters? That's too big a unit for measuring letters. Pierre Dear Pierre, You're right, as a unit, centimetre is too big for type size – and so is millimetre. I think that the printing industry will eventually get ov

[USMA:47885] Re: The metric system or what?

2010-06-21 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear Bill and Gene, Thanks for these thoughts. I shall go away and mull some more. Cheers, Pat Naughtin Author of the ebook, Metrication Leaders Guide, see http://metricationmatters.com/MetricationLeadersGuideInfo.html Hear Pat speak at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lshRAPvPZY PO Box 305 Be