[USMA:48121] Wrong time to quote temperatures

2010-07-09 Thread Stephen Humphreys
Needless to say the usual nonsense is back here referring to all things UK (eg 'no supplementary imperial on UK goods' - 'roads partly metricated' - that sort of thing) but the other recent suggestion is temperature. I'm fully aware (being from here) how much 'C' is used in reports etc but

[USMA:48122] RE: When is a nation metric?

2010-07-09 Thread Stephen Humphreys
Pat, with respect, please believe me that the 'pint' you refer to below would not be acceptable or in fact legal in a UK pub. I'm not sure why this keeps popping up from time to time. If you knew what a British beer drinker was like then your scenario would see riots happening in the pubs

[USMA:48123] Re: When is a nation metric?

2010-07-09 Thread John M. Steele
I certainly don't wish to defend barrels and gallons of petroleum products from metrication, but I would like to defend them from charges of dishonesty, or say, perhaps the dishonesty stems from government. I don't invest in commodities, but I occasionally look at the data in the WSJ.  This

[USMA:48124] Re: Wrong time to quote temperatures

2010-07-09 Thread Anthony O#39;conner
Out of millions of products found on supermarket shelves, I'm sure you may find one or two that carry a supplemental unit to a metric value. But one would have to spend countless boring hours going up and down store shelves to find that elusive product with a supplemental declaration that

[USMA:48127] RE: Wrong time to quote temperatures

2010-07-09 Thread Stephen Davis
Pretty much as predicted, really. ...And, unfortunately for you, the vast majority of it absolute fact! Try harder, Steve! - Original Message - From: Stephen Humphreys To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:04 PM Subject: [USMA:48125] RE: Wrong time to

[USMA:48128] Re: When is a nation metric?

2010-07-09 Thread Anthony O#39;conner
Pat, This may not be entirely true. From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pint_glass Despite this emphasis on accurately measured glasses, there is a practice of defining a pint of beer and lager as only 95 per cent liquid.[5] It is common for drinkers to be served less than a full

[USMA:48129] RE: Wrong time to quote temperatures

2010-07-09 Thread Stephen Humphreys
I fully understand that this is very easy for you to say - but I also think it's a disservice to the decent posters here who look to events in other countries in relation to their own goal. You may - for whatever reason you wish - want to put across that the UK is some form of metric paradise

[USMA:48130] Re: attitudes

2010-07-09 Thread Stephen Humphreys
It's a fact that not all road signs in the UK are in English. Better put out that roadsigns are multilingual then. Stephen - you must realise that the whole subject here is very opinionated. The debate would not exist otherwise. What is being 'tried on' here is submitting a minutae of very

[USMA:48131] RE: Wrong time to quote temperatures

2010-07-09 Thread Anthony O#39;conner
It seems Mr. Humphreys spends a lot of time posting his illusions with the hopes everyone will believe him. I wonder how many really do. I would guess the only ones are other anti-metric types that post to this forum pretending to be pro-metric with the goal of keeping metrication efforts

[USMA:48132] RE: Wrong time to quote temperatures

2010-07-09 Thread Stephen Humphreys
If I was 'very anti-metric' then why would I want to have you banned from this forum? Also - who else here on this forum do you class as 'anti-metric'? You suggest that there are 'others' - who are they, do you think? I wonder if you can actually find an 'anti-metric' post on this forum

[USMA:48133] RE: Wrong time to quote temperatures

2010-07-09 Thread Anthony O#39;conner
Well to keep me or anyone else from exposing your claims and half truths. That would be the primary reason. Presently there only appears to be a handful of people who actually do post, maybe not more than 5. I'm not going to bother counting them for an exact number as that is beside the

[USMA:48134] purpose of the USMA

2010-07-09 Thread Anthony O#39;conner
John, I don't think the USMA gets it! You bring up some very valid points. Is it any wonder that the USMA has been around for 94 years and hasn't made one dent in the fabric of non-metric usage. Whatever metric usage has happened in the US has come from those with foresight to take the

[USMA:48136] Willingness RE: purpose of the USMA

2010-07-09 Thread Brij Bhushan Vij
Antony sir: .But the truth be know, the masses usually look for strong leadership and the USMA is showing weakness and has done so for 94 years. Is it lack of USMA? Or, the lack of learning and expecting the WILL of 'central leadership' that need be evoked! The resistance, to me appear

[USMA:48137] Re: Willingness RE: purpose of the USMA

2010-07-09 Thread Anthony O#39;conner
Sir, I'm afraid I don't understand a word you wrote. So whatever the point is I've missed it. Can you explain to me in simpler terms what you are trying to say? Thanks From: Brij Bhushan Vij metric...@hotmail.com To: U.S. Metric Association

[USMA:48138] Time Length RE: Re: Willingness RE: purpose of the USMA

2010-07-09 Thread Brij Bhushan Vij
Sir: The point I intended to home has been that failure of US going the 'metric way' has remained lack of teaching and/or learning right at base level, in the hope what anti-metric lobby took it for granted that some day Metric Reform shall see its failure by itself, while governmental

[USMA:48139] Re: purpose of the USMA

2010-07-09 Thread Anthony O#39;conner
Thank You Paul that is a very interesting resumé. Yes, you may be here, but who beside a few know this? I (and very few others) have no idea what the USMA has done simply because it is really all hidden! Metrication can't happen in a vacuum, it has to be out in the open. Out of curiosity

[USMA:48140] Re: Opponents of metrication change

2010-07-09 Thread Anthony O#39;conner
John,I disagree that the US government would never use any form of compulsion to further metrication. It may be highly unlikely under the present circumstances, but it need not continue that way. All it takes is for the right combination of circumstances to rear its ugly head to force

[USMA:48141] Well Said RE: Re: purpose of the USMA

2010-07-09 Thread Brij Bhushan Vij
Sir: .John Kennedy once said: Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. Well, said: Mr President! But,..US is still 'wanting..?' No braging, but on my part, as an individual with NO resources, I made a start and am trying to give what I have

[USMA:48142] Re: attitudes

2010-07-09 Thread Stephen Davis
Steve: There are kilometre signs on all British motorway's -not opinion, fact. 99.9 per cent of pre-packaged goods are in hard metric-not opinion, fact. All loose goods in supermarkets are weighed in metric at the checkout, not opinion - fact. There are dual measurement signs on British

[USMA:48143] Re: Opponents of metrication change

2010-07-09 Thread John M. Steele
Of course, things could change in the future.  However, in 1988 at the same time Congress said metric was preferred they also said it had to be voluntary.  Congress has gutted several proposals that would have furthered metrication, notably creating an exemption for Imperial bricks and

[USMA:48144] Re: progress of U.S. metrication

2010-07-09 Thread Paul Trusten, R.Ph.
Anthony, Nope, I didn't start on this in 1916 because I wasn't born until 1952 (grin). I began my work for the U.S. metrication goal in 1974 when I was a still a pharmacy student. It was a coincidence that my interest was piqued just as the Congress was taking up the Metric Conversion

[USMA:48145] Re: purpose of the USMA

2010-07-09 Thread Paul Trusten, R.Ph.
I began my work for the metrication goal in 1974 when I was a pharmacy student. It was a coincidence that my interest was piqued just as the Congress was taking up the Metric Conversion Act; I got started when I discovered how much easier, and safer, it was to take the sum of grams than

[USMA:48146] Re: USMA

2010-07-09 Thread Paul Trusten, R.Ph.
I began my work for the metrication goal in 1974 when I was a pharmacy student. It was a coincidence that my interest was piqued just as the Congress was taking up the Metric Conversion Act; I got started when I discovered how much easier, and safer, it was to take the sum of grams than

[USMA:48147] Re: progress of U.S. metrication

2010-07-09 Thread Anthony O#39;conner
Paul, Thanks for the enlightenment. How much is the USMA involved in with the NIST? The reason I ask is because why hasn't the NIST played a more active role in pressuring the Congress to act to bring about full metrication? Afterall they play a pivotal role in assuring the standards for

[USMA:48148] Re: progress of U.S. metrication

2010-07-09 Thread John M. Steele
Congress needs to man up and force metric first.  Congress has said FHWA can't force metric road signage, and, in fact, it has been withdrawn from the latest MUTCD.  So I could drive any speed I want, and the cop couldn't do anything about it.  Of course, that bridge height, or the distance to

[USMA:48149] Re: attitudes

2010-07-09 Thread Anthony O#39;conner
From: Stephen Davis stevo.da...@btinternet.com To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 2:28:20 PM Subject: [USMA:48142] Re: attitudes Steve: There are kilometre signs on all British motorway's -not opinion, fact. There are

[USMA:48150] Re: progress of U.S. metrication

2010-07-09 Thread Anthony O#39;conner
It almost seems like Congress is deliberately trying to destroy America. It seems that the real terrorists are in Congress. That would be the whole idea. In order for distances and speed limits to have meaning they would have to be in supported units, that being metric. If you need a