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From: Stephen Davis <[email protected]>
To: U.S. Metric Association <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 2:28:20 PM
Subject: [USMA:48142] Re: attitudes
Steve:
There are kilometre signs on all British motorway's -not opinion, fact.
There are also metric only signs on private property that are not affected by
the laws. Scotland also has metric only signs.
99.9 per cent of pre-packaged goods are in hard metric-not opinion, fact.
When anti-metric people walk into the market they only allow themselves to see
the 0.1 % then claim everything is imperial.
All loose goods in supermarkets are weighed in metric at the checkout, not
opinion - fact.
In UK delis it is not even possible to purchase a pound or any
fraction/multiple
of it. Consider that a pound is 453 g. If you ask for a pound the closest you
can get is 455 g, because the scales are designed to resolve to the nearest 5
g.
If you ask for a pound you are now given 500 g. Anti-metrics hate this,
especially if they ask the clerk for an imperial amount and all they get is a
vague, "just a little bit over" response. Some people won't even look at their
till receipt for fear of seeing a metric amount and then having to admit the
sale actually took place in metric no matter what they insisted the clerk tell
them.
There are dual measurement signs on British roads, particularly for bridge
heights, not opinion, fact.
Anti-metrics hate that. They fear that average British people will pay
attention to them and start to ignore the imperial ones, then they will start
to
question the logic of having imperial signs and start demanding they be changed.
Wines and spirits are sold in metric measures in bars in the UK - not opinion,
fact.
Some anti-metrics only go to pubs and order beer so they can get the warm &
fuzzies uttering pint all night.
Like it or not, almost everything voiced by Anthony and myself is 100 per cent
fact.
"What is being 'tried on' here is submitting a minutae of very feeble 'less
than side issues' against something so obvious it more or less punches you in
the face and revealing this pedantry as the sum of the argument being put
across."
I'm showing you facts you continually try to deny. Any one of them can be
easily looked up. It's like me saying "David Cameron is the Prime Minister"
and you continually saying "no he's not!" in the face of overwhelming evidence
to the contrary
The real pedantry is going on about remnant, obscure uses of imperial and
ignoring the vast majority of metric in use and trying make it seem like these
remnant cases are the norm.
Anti-metric people don't look things up. They don't want to know the truth is
against them and is it ever.
But, as I've said before, you know this full well.
He does, that is why he will never back up his claims with facts. Because
there
are no facts to back his claims.
But I suspect you'll carry on trolling!
or worse yet, throw tantrums and whine to other forum members via SECRET emails
about how abnormal we are and try to get us banned. He may even call you a by
another name and tell people where he imagines you live, as if anyone really
care.
----- Original Message -----
>From: Stephen Humphreys
>To: [email protected] ; [email protected]
>Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 3:02 PM
>Subject: RE: [USMA:48126] Re: attitudes
>
>It's a fact that not all road signs in the UK are in English.
>Better put out that roadsigns are multilingual then.
>Stephen - you must realise that the whole subject here is very opinionated.
>
>The debate would not exist otherwise. What is being 'tried on' here is
>submitting a minutae of very feeble 'less than side issues' against something
>
>so obvious it more or less punches you in the face and revealing this pedantry
>
>as the sum of the argument being put across.
>I had to fill my tyres with air the other day - the machine would ONLY give
>me PSI. Thus do I rush here to claim that the entire tyre making industry
>and the economy surrounding it is purely imperial? What I saw was fact -
>the
>gauge only said PSI - therefore there is no room for any more opinion.
>Correct?
>
>
>(By the way - using those emergency sticks just to try to put out that
>there's this metric manna on our roads - that's scraping the barrel a teeny
>bit isn't it?)
>
>
>________________________________
From: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [USMA:48126] Re: attitudes
>Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 14:14:20 +0100
>
>
>Except that, those things I mentioned happen to be facts, not opinions.
>
>Which you well know.
>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Stephen Humphreys
>>To: U.S. Metric Association
>>Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:28 PM
>>Subject: [USMA:48113] Re: attitudes
>>
>>I think I will survive you saying that you have a different opinion to
>>me,
>>steve ;-)
>>
>>(Now where's that cigar....)
>>
>>________________________________
From: [email protected]
>>To: [email protected]
>>Subject: [USMA:48108] Re: attitudes
>>Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 19:31:57 +0100
>>
>>
>>"Other than the obvious road signs and pint glasses in pubs, I see no
>>other major uses of non-metric in the UK (the pint glass issue is
>>somewhat
>>a minor issue). Being a pro-metric person who wants total metrication
>>you
>>may see this as the UK not being as fully metric as you would like it."
>>
>>"Even road signs are not entirely non-metric in the UK. There are signs
>>along highways that show kilometre distances that are ignored by the
>>anti-metric fringe."
>>
>>
>>"Products in the supermarkets are sold in metric only sizes and even the
>>scales used to weigh your asked for goods are metric only. If you ask
>>for
>>an old amount you get a metric amount."
>>
>>
>>Erm...all of the above happens to be entirely true, NOT bunkum as you
>>suggest.
>>
>>Nice try, but no cigar! You continually try to suggest most of the time
>>that the above is not entirely true....I'm happy to put you right.
>>
>>PS
>>
>>And yes....you did say ALMOST total bunkum, though, as ever, you never
>>state which parts actually are bunkum...strange that!
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Stephen Humphreys
>>>To: U.S. Metric Association
>>>Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 4:20 PM
>>>Subject: [USMA:48096] Re: attitudes
>>>
>>>Hopefully most on the list will remember all this as (almost) total
>>>bunkum from previous attempts. The anti-US spin is just the cherry
>>>on
>>>the cake. For clearer realistic responses and final outcomes please
>>>refer to the previous times that this consolidated effort below have
>>>been
>>>raised and put to bed. These can be found via searching on the USMA
>>>list
>>>archives via the web front end rather than the distribution list.
>>>
>>>________________________________
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 07:29:56 -0700
>>>From: [email protected]
>>>Subject: [USMA:48095] Re: attitudes
>>>To: [email protected]
>>>
>>>
>>>America has always thought of itself as being holier than thou. When
>>>you
>>>have a superiority complex it makes you look inferior all of a sudden if
>>>
>>>you adopt the practices of those you have always looked down upon.
>>>Now
>>>that America is no longer superior it is still hard to break the habit
>>>
>>>and belief. It would seem Americans would prefer to be dirt poor and
>>>unemployed than to adopt the ways of the "French".
>>>
>>>
>>>Other than the obvious road signs and pint glasses in pubs, I see no
>>>other major uses of non-metric in the UK (the pint glass issue is
>>>somewhat a minor issue). Being a pro-metric person who wants total
>>>metrication you may see this as the UK not being as fully metric as
>>>you
>>>would like it.
>>>
>>>An anti-metric person would harp continuously on these two instances
>>>to
>>>claim the UK is not metric at all and ignore the 90+ % that is
>>>metric.
>>>
>>>
>>>Even road signs are not entirely non-metric in the UK. There are
>>>signs
>>>along highways that show kilometre distances that are ignored by the
>>>anti-metric fringe. There are signs that show metres but are marked
>>>off
>>>as yards (denied by the anti-metric fringe). And soon there will be
>>>height signs, possibly width signs too, that will show metres (in
>>>addition to out-dated units), something the anti-metric fringe is
>>>opposing.
>>>
>>>Even in pubs you can purchase products other than beer in metric
>>>amounts,
>>>such as wine and hard licquor.
>>>
>>>Products in the supermarkets are sold in metric only sizes and even
>>>the
>>>scales used to weigh your asked for goods are metric only. If you
>>>ask
>>>for an old amount you get a metric amount.
>>>
>>>
>>>You purchase petrol by the litre and hear weather reports in metric.
>>>
>>>Remnant uses of old unit names exist in every country and may
>>>continue to
>>>do so for a long time.
>>>
>>>
>>>You should at least be grateful that the UK is not in the same
>>>position
>>>as the US.
>>>
>>>
>>>I highly doubt the US will ever regain its pre-eminence even if it
>>>does
>>>metricate. No empire that has ever collapsed has ever returned to
>>>greatness. All have become insignificant and poor. Look at Iran
>>>(Persia), Iraq (Babylon), Egypt, Greece, Rome and the UK.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
________________________________
From: John Frewen-Lord <[email protected]>
>>>To: U.S. Metric Association <[email protected]>
>>>Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 9:52:52 AM
>>>Subject: [USMA:48093] attitudes
>>>
>>>
>>>Does America not adopt the metric system out of sheer
>>>bloody-mindedness?
>>>On the BP oil spill, this article I find very telling (mostly
>>>imperial
>>>unfortunately). The UK is not much better, at least at governmental
>>>level. The day America changes its attitude to the rest of the world
>>>(of
>>>which SI is a fundamental part) is the day that the US will regain
>>>its
>>>pre-eminence, not until.
>>>
>>>http://www.financialpost.com/Avertible+catastrophe/3203808/story.html#ixzz0sGacwW4e
>>>
>>>
>>>John F-L
>>>
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