[USMA:46310] NAEP and units in school

2009-12-28 Thread Robert H. Bushnell
2009 December 28 Dear Alice Fu, In Science for 2009 December 18 page 1637, your discussion of the NAEP report lists Strengths and Limitations. Both NAEP and you failed to discuss a major limitation in US education, namely, the teaching of inch-pound units o

[USMA:46311] Re: YouTube metric

2009-12-28 Thread John M. Steele
Dear Pat, Interesting summary.  I'd like to challenge one fact, comment on another, and finally add some facts from a US perspective that reinforce several of the points you made. *I find it very difficult to believe in 1814, the inch was legally defined as three grains of barley.  I suspect t

[USMA:46312] Re: Column by Terry Dickson

2009-12-28 Thread Victor Jockin
This half-serious piece is ignorable. I just wish the international pressure he mentioned actually existed, or that the President had any inkling to act on the issue of metric conversion. I've said a few times on this discussion group that the biggest problem is the combination of the undemocr

[USMA:46313] Re: YouTube metric

2009-12-28 Thread John Frewen-Lord
Dear all: In reading how the various imperial measures varied in the 1800s, even if only marginally, I find it intriguing that the one measurement required to be consistent in those times managed to become/remain so - the railway standard guage. The Brits adopted the measurement of 1435 mm or

[USMA:46314] Freeway Exit Numbers

2009-12-28 Thread Martin Vlietstra
I understand that most US freeway exits are numbered with reference to the number of miles from the state line (or the start of the freeway concerned). In the Wikipedia article "Exit numbers" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit_number), I saw the following: "United States - The use of sequential o

[USMA:46316] Re: Freeway Exit Numbers

2009-12-28 Thread John Frewen-Lord
When Canada converted from miles to km, all the distance-based exit numbers were of course converted at the same time. I don't see this as being a problem. John F-L - Original Message - From: Martin Vlietstra To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:03 PM

[USMA:46317] Re: Freeway Exit Numbers

2009-12-28 Thread John M. Steele
This is true for most states.  If it crosses a border, numbering begins over at 0 at the southern or western border increasing to the north or east.  The MUTCD would permit miles or kilometers, but many states have laws requiring Customary measure for traffic control.  If it begins within the st

[USMA:46318] Re: NAEP and units in school

2009-12-28 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear Robert, Congratulations on your letter to Alice Fu. You may recall that a year or so ago, before the last presidential election, I wrote on a similar theme in the article called, 'A metrication elephant'. In this article I wrote that many scientific and engineering groups were simply

[USMA:46319] Re: Freeway Exit Numbers

2009-12-28 Thread Paul Trusten
...except Massachusetts! My native state has always had consecutive exit numbering. Paul Trusten On Dec 28, 2009, at 14:03, "Martin Vlietstra" wrote: I understand that most US freeway exits are numbered with reference to the number of miles from the state line (or the start of the free

[USMA:46321] Re: YouTube metric

2009-12-28 Thread John M. Steele
Let us examine the remarks on Butler in detail, using your Wikipedia reference, and deleting a sentence about someone else to make the point more clearly. Quoting, Charles Butler, a mathematics teacher at Cheam School, in 1814 recorded the old legal definition of the inch to be "three grains of s