Re: [Uta] Last Call: (SMTP Require TLS Option) to Proposed Standard

2019-01-26 Thread Jim Fenton
Hi Russ, On 1/26/19 7:27 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > I have no problem with the protocol itself, but I do not understand how this > specification can not have a reference to TLS. It does have at least a couple of indirect references to TLS, through STARTTLS (RFC 3207) and BCP 195. An informative

Re: [Uta] Last Call: (SMTP Require TLS Option) to Proposed Standard

2019-01-26 Thread Jim Fenton
Thanks for the review, Stephan. On 1/25/19 1:58 PM, Stephan Bosch wrote: > > I just quickly reviewed this document. I notice that this extension > also applies to LMTP. Now, I wonder what should happen when Sieve [RFC > 5228] is involved there, particularly when actions like "redirect", >

Re: [Uta] [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draft-levine-additional-registered-clauses-02

2019-01-26 Thread ned+uta
After reading all the discussion I posted an -02 which takes out all mention of ESNI. Here's why. The most important issue is process. ESNI is currently described only in an early I-D which will not turn into an RFC for a long time. If I reference it, this draft will be stuck behind ESNI,

Re: [Uta] New Version Notification for draft-levine-additional-registered-clauses-02

2019-01-26 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, As is probably obvious I don't agree with this. But I can raise it when the draft gets to IETF LC, so we don't need to bang on about it. On 26/01/2019 17:40, John R Levine wrote: > After reading all the discussion I posted an -02 which takes out all > mention of ESNI.  Here's why. > >

Re: [Uta] New Version Notification for draft-levine-additional-registered-clauses-02

2019-01-26 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
> On Jan 26, 2019, at 12:40 PM, John R Levine wrote: > > After reading all the discussion I posted an -02 which takes out all mention > of ESNI. Here's why. > > More substantively, I would be surprised if any MTA ever implements ESNI > because it makes no sense for mail. On the web,

[Uta] New Version Notification for draft-levine-additional-registered-clauses-02

2019-01-26 Thread John R Levine
After reading all the discussion I posted an -02 which takes out all mention of ESNI. Here's why. The most important issue is process. ESNI is currently described only in an early I-D which will not turn into an RFC for a long time. If I reference it, this draft will be stuck behind ESNI,

Re: [Uta] Last Call: (SMTP Require TLS Option) to Proposed Standard

2019-01-26 Thread Russ Housley
I have no problem with the protocol itself, but I do not understand how this specification can not have a reference to TLS. Russ > On Jan 25, 2019, at 10:00 AM, The IESG wrote: > > > The IESG has received a request from the Using TLS in Applications WG (uta) > to consider the following