Re: Use vcsh when provisioning virtual environments

2012-02-15 Thread Brian May
On 15 February 2012 21:30, Richard Hartmann
 wrote:
> ... you shouldn't assume everyone knows all the tools you use ...

I thought this might have been the issue, not that I helped matters.

For the record, schroot is a much improved version of dchroot.
Everything knows what dchroot is, right :-)

More seriously, the description in the Debian package is far better
then what I could come up with myself:

=== cut ===
 Description-en: Execute commands in a chroot environment
 schroot allows users to execute commands or interactive shells in
 different chroots.  Any number of named chroots may be created, and
 access permissions given to each, including root access for normal
 users, on a per-user or per-group basis.  Additionally, schroot can
 switch to a different user in the chroot, using PAM for
 authentication and authorisation.  All operations are logged for
 security.
 .
 Several different types of chroot are supported, including normal
 directories in the filesystem, and also block devices.  Sessions,
 persistent chroots created on the fly from files (tar with optional
 compression and zip) and LVM snapshots are also supported.
 .
 schroot supports kernel personalities, allowing the programs run
 inside the chroot to have a different personality.  For example,
 running 32-bit chroots on 64-bit systems, or even running binaries
 from alternative operating systems such as SVR4 or Xenix.
 .
 schroot also integrates with sbuild, to allow building packages with
 all supported chroot types, including session-managed chroot types
 such as LVM snapshots.
 .
 schroot shares most of its options with dchroot, but offers vastly
 more functionality.
=== cut ===

Not mentioned here is the support for union filesystems, which is also
pretty cool.
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Re: Use vcsh when provisioning virtual environments

2012-02-15 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 08:57, Thomas Koch  wrote:

> In the case of schroot this means to add a vcsh script in /etc/schroot/setup.d
> (see man schroot-setup) that checks whether a given set of vcsh repos is
> cloned into the home dir of the user entering the chroot.

After googling schroot (you shouldn't assume everyone knows all the
tools you use ;) I think I know what you mean and thus want.

What about:

  [ -e .config/vcsh ] && exit 0
  vcsh clone my_mr_repo
  cd .config/mr/config.d
  ln -s ../{foo,bar,baz} .
  cd
  mr up

That should do what you want.


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Re: Use vcsh when provisioning virtual environments

2012-02-15 Thread Brian May
On 15 February 2012 18:57, Thomas Koch  wrote:
> Richard Hartmann:
> In the case of schroot this means to add a vcsh script in /etc/schroot/setup.d
> (see man schroot-setup) that checks whether a given set of vcsh repos is
> cloned into the home dir of the user entering the chroot.

It seems like an interesting idea. Could be useful for trying out
new/old versions software where you don't want it to stuffing up or
falling over on any part of your existing setup, including $HOME,
however you don't want to completely give up on your environment.

I would look into this myself, but unfortunately am lacking the key
"time" ingredient required to make it work.
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Re: Use vcsh when provisioning virtual environments

2012-02-15 Thread Thomas Koch
Richard Hartmann:
> I am afraid that I don't really know what you are referring to.
In the case of schroot this means to add a vcsh script in /etc/schroot/setup.d 
(see man schroot-setup) that checks whether a given set of vcsh repos is 
cloned into the home dir of the user entering the chroot.

But it's totally possible that I'm talking bullshit here.

Regards,

Thomas Koch, http://www.koch.ro
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Re: Use vcsh when provisioning virtual environments

2012-02-14 Thread Richard Hartmann
I am afraid that I don't really know what you are referring to.


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Use vcsh when provisioning virtual environments

2012-02-14 Thread Thomas Koch
Hi,

just as a self reminder and maybe somebody will implement this before me:

It would be fine, if I could specify a couple of vcsh repos when setting up an 
schroot or a virtual maschine (libvirt?) and there would be appropriate hooks 
in those systems that clone those repos in the home dir of the default user.

The default "Desktop" setup for schroot just mounts the user's home dir into 
the chroot to make configuration available in the schroot. Cloning vcsh repos 
would be a much safer approach.

Maybe somebody with more time likes this idea as much as I do... :-)

Best regards,

Thomas Koch, http://www.koch.ro
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