[vdr] Undetected channels on transponders switching from DVB-S to DVB-S2

2011-09-11 Thread Henning Pingel
Hi,

I think it is a great feature that VDR will update channel parameters
and add newly found channels automatically if UpdateChannels is set to
value 5 in setup.conf.

But my impression is currently that VDR might fail to find new channels
on a satellite transponder in the special situation that the transponder
has changed it's broadcasting method from DVB-S to DVB-S2.

Of course, prior to changing the method, a transponder might be scraped
from any channels so that there will be nothing on the transponder any
more for a couple of days or weeks (this of course totally depends on
the habits of the provider).

And this tackles another small problem: I think that VDR doesn't delete
any channels from the channels.conf in any case. So outdated channels
have to be removed manually. Has there been an attempt to offer a
functionality that VDR makes a note of those channels that get the line
frontend timed out while tuning to channel X in the syslog and offers
those channels for manual deletion via the OSD in a special OSD page
called Outdated channels?

My questions are based on the experience when two transponders switched
from DVB-S to DVB-S2 in 2011:
1) On S28.2E the transponder containing the BBC HD channels did this.
2) On S19.2E the transponder now containing the Sonnenklar.HD TV did
this.

In both cases VDR wasn't able to add the new DVB-S2 channels to the
channels.conf automatically as long as not all predecessor channels had
been manually removed from the channels.conf.

It would be nice if this could happen automatically and users could
remove outdated channels from the channels.conf easily.

Regards,
Henning

P.S.: My own special situation is that I use my VDR as a channel list
provider for the Channelpedia project and I want to make it easier for
me and other people to contribute their channel lists to this directory.
(http://channelpedia.yavdr.com/)


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Re: [vdr] Undetected channels on transponders switching from DVB-S to DVB-S2

2011-09-11 Thread Udo Richter

Am 11.09.2011 11:37, schrieb Henning Pingel:

And this tackles another small problem: I think that VDR doesn't delete
any channels from the channels.conf in any case. So outdated channels
have to be removed manually. Has there been an attempt to offer a
functionality that VDR makes a note of those channels that get the line
frontend timed out while tuning to channel X in the syslog and offers
those channels for manual deletion via the OSD in a special OSD page
called Outdated channels?



There's currently no 'official' method to track down channels that are 
no longer announced. There's a trick however: Modify your channels.conf 
so that all channel names start with [outdated], then start VDR and wait 
for a full transponder scan to finish. All existing channels will be 
renamed back to their proper names, and all remaining [outdated] 
channels can be dropped after some grace period.



I use a more advanced variant using a small patch and a plugin, both 
currently not publicly released: The patch tracks a 'last seen' 
timestamp to all channels, where 0 means 'not seen since VDR start'. A 
matching plugin holds a second channel list and periodically syncs with 
the regular channel list, with the additional info 'first seen' and 
'last seen' tracked persistently across VDR sessions. Also, the plugin 
renames channels that are gone for some time so they can be identified 
and deleted.


This has however two downsides: First, a VDR that hasn't been running 
for some time will instantly mark all channels gone, and the same thing 
happens if a source is temporarily unavailable - for me, DVB-T is 
regularly not plugged, so all DVB-T channels are usually marked as gone.



Cheers,

Udo

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Re: [vdr] Undetected channels on transponders switching from DVB-S to DVB-S2

2011-09-11 Thread Luca Olivetti
Al 11/09/11 13:49, En/na Udo Richter ha escrit:
 Am 11.09.2011 11:37, schrieb Henning Pingel:
 And this tackles another small problem: I think that VDR doesn't delete
 any channels from the channels.conf in any case. So outdated channels
 have to be removed manually. Has there been an attempt to offer a
 functionality that VDR makes a note of those channels that get the line
 frontend timed out while tuning to channel X in the syslog and offers
 those channels for manual deletion via the OSD in a special OSD page
 called Outdated channels?
 
 
 There's currently no 'official' method to track down channels that are no 
 longer announced. There's a trick however: Modify your channels.conf so that 
 all channel names start with [outdated], then start VDR and wait for a full 
 transponder scan to finish. All existing channels will be renamed back to 
 their proper names, and all remaining [outdated] channels can be dropped 
 after some grace period.

My actuator plugin has menu options to mark, unmark and delete marked channels.
The idea is, you mark the channels, do a complete satellite scan, then delete 
the (still) marked channels.
Even if I wrote that specifically to get rid of obsolete channels, I never use 
it, because there are some channels that are not advertised in the nit.
As a result I now have a channel.conf with more that 7000 channels and most of 
the entries are rubbish.

Bye
-- 
Luca

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[vdr] [ANNOUNCE] epgsearch-1.0.0

2011-09-11 Thread Christian Wieninger

Hi,

it's time for a new release. I'm quite happy with the current state, so 
I decided to place a '1' in front of the version :-)
Because of the big distance to the last release the history is quite 
long. So I just put a link to it here:


http://winni.vdr-developer.org/epgsearch/HISTORY

Have fun!

download:
http://winni.vdr-developer.org/epgsearch/downloads/vdr-epgsearch-1.0.0.tgz

cheers,
Christian


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Re: [vdr] [ANNOUNCE] epgsearch-1.0.0

2011-09-11 Thread Dominic Evans
Christian,

On 11 September 2011 19:37, Christian Wieninger cwienin...@gmx.de wrote:
 it's time for a new release. I'm quite happy with the current state, so I
 decided to place a '1' in front of the version :-)

Congrats on the new release! Changelog looks fantastic.

One quick question...


 - new internal variables:
   * %day%, %month% and %year% which return the numeric day, month and year
 (with century) of an event
   * %chgrp% returns the VDR channel group name corresponding to an event
   * %liveeventid% returns the encoded event ID as used in the frontend 'live' 
 to add
 direct links e.g. in the search timer mails (see sample 
 conf/epgsearchupdmail-html.templ).
   * %timer.liveid% returns the encoded timer ID as used in the frontend 
 'live' to add
 direct links e.g. in the search timer mails.
   * %date_iso% and %date_iso_now% return the (current) date in '-MM-DD' 
 format,
 suggested by Andreas Mair.
   * %search.series% returns 1 or 0 depending on the flag series recording 
 of a search and
 can be used in the directory entry of a search or it's depending 
 variables.

I'm slightly confused. Can these 'internal variables' be used as
automatic substitution variables for the recordings directory?
e.g., for TV series which don't publish episode numbers in the EPG, or
which happen every day (e.g. soaps) can I setup a search timer to
record to a directory of 'SeriesName~%year%%month%%day%' ?

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Re: [vdr] [ANNOUNCE] epgsearch-1.0.0

2011-09-11 Thread Christian Wieninger

Am 11.09.2011 22:22, schrieb Dominic Evans:

Christian,

On 11 September 2011 19:37, Christian Wieningercwienin...@gmx.de  wrote:

it's time for a new release. I'm quite happy with the current state, so I
decided to place a '1' in front of the version :-)

Congrats on the new release! Changelog looks fantastic.


thanks!


One quick question...



- new internal variables:
   * %day%, %month% and %year% which return the numeric day, month and year
 (with century) of an event
   * %chgrp% returns the VDR channel group name corresponding to an event
   * %liveeventid% returns the encoded event ID as used in the frontend 'live' 
to add
 direct links e.g. in the search timer mails (see sample 
conf/epgsearchupdmail-html.templ).
   * %timer.liveid% returns the encoded timer ID as used in the frontend 'live' 
to add
 direct links e.g. in the search timer mails.
   * %date_iso% and %date_iso_now% return the (current) date in '-MM-DD' 
format,
 suggested by Andreas Mair.
   * %search.series% returns 1 or 0 depending on the flag series recording of 
a search and
 can be used in the directory entry of a search or it's depending variables.

I'm slightly confused. Can these 'internal variables' be used as
automatic substitution variables for the recordings directory?
e.g., for TV series which don't publish episode numbers in the EPG, or
which happen every day (e.g. soaps) can I setup a search timer to
record to a directory of 'SeriesName~%year%%month%%day%' ?


exactly. Please have a look at this

http://winni.vdr-developer.org/epgsearch/en/epgsearch.4.html#1__using_variables_in_the_directory_entry_of_a_search_timer

and

http://winni.vdr-developer.org/epgsearch/en/epgsearch.4.html#12__user_defined_variables

cheers,
Christian


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