Re: [vdr] Dual Tuner Cards

2007-06-26 Thread Soeren Sonnenburg
On Mon, 2007-06-25 at 09:53 +0100, Alex Stansfield wrote:
 Hi,
 
 This seems like a pretty dumb question but I hadn't seen it mentioned
 before and just wanted to check.
 
 I'm looking to buy a dual tuner card, most likely the WinTV Nova-T 500.
 
 My question is, as long as the card is supported in Linux will vdr treat
 it as two dvb-t devices?

Don't buy this card if you want to use it in a permanent (i.e. vdr)
setup where your computer is on 24/7. You will notice disconnects every
now an then rendering the device rather useless...

And yes this still happens with *any* kernel version (2.6.20 - 21.5) +
even the experimental mercurial tree out there...

Soeren
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Re: [vdr] Dual Tuner Cards

2007-06-26 Thread Andrew Herron

On 6/26/07, Soeren Sonnenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Don't buy this card if you want to use it in a permanent (i.e. vdr)
setup where your computer is on 24/7. You will notice disconnects every
now an then rendering the device rather useless...

And yes this still happens with *any* kernel version (2.6.20 - 21.5) +
even the experimental mercurial tree out there...

Soeren



Well our experience with the T500 differs to yours. We have multiple T500's
in multiple 'permanent' vdr installations that are running 24/7. We don't
see disconnects under Kubuntu 7.04.

The only area where I can say we have had some issues with the T500 is
related to its ability to hold onto a signal in some situations. It seems
more sensitive to transmission quality/strength than other cards or external
usb DVB devices we have tested. But in our experience these have been
relatively minor issues.

All I can say is that is our experience.
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Re: [vdr] Dual Tuner Cards

2007-06-26 Thread Alex Stansfield
Well now I'm just not sure,

the shop was out of stock so I didn't get one in the end but some people 
seem to be having real issues with this card.

Maybe I'll stick with my single tuner for a bit longer.

Be nice if they'd do linux support for the Terratec 2400i dt, then I'd 
actually have use for my 1x PCIe slot :)

Cheers,

Alex

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[vdr] Dual Tuner Cards

2007-06-25 Thread Alex Stansfield
Hi,

This seems like a pretty dumb question but I hadn't seen it mentioned
before and just wanted to check.

I'm looking to buy a dual tuner card, most likely the WinTV Nova-T 500.

My question is, as long as the card is supported in Linux will vdr treat
it as two dvb-t devices?

Cheers,

Alex

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Re: [vdr] Dual Tuner Cards

2007-06-25 Thread Alex Stansfield
Thank you both for your swift replies.

Now off to the shop to buy one.

Cheers,

Alex

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Re: [vdr] Dual Tuner Cards

2007-06-25 Thread Laz
On Monday 25 June 2007 09:53, Alex Stansfield wrote:
 Hi,

 This seems like a pretty dumb question but I hadn't seen it mentioned
 before and just wanted to check.

 I'm looking to buy a dual tuner card, most likely the WinTV Nova-T 500.

 My question is, as long as the card is supported in Linux will vdr
 treat it as two dvb-t devices?

I've got one and it works a treat. It does just appear as two separate DVB 
devices.

I did read stuff a while back about people getting USB disconnects from 
them at random but I've never seen that with mine.

Cheers,

Laz

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Re: [vdr] Dual Tuner Cards

2007-06-25 Thread Andrew Herron

Same here... no disconnects.

On 6/25/07, Laz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Monday 25 June 2007 09:53, Alex Stansfield wrote:
 Hi,

 This seems like a pretty dumb question but I hadn't seen it mentioned
 before and just wanted to check.

 I'm looking to buy a dual tuner card, most likely the WinTV Nova-T 500.

 My question is, as long as the card is supported in Linux will vdr
 treat it as two dvb-t devices?

I've got one and it works a treat. It does just appear as two separate DVB
devices.

I did read stuff a while back about people getting USB disconnects from
them at random but I've never seen that with mine.

Cheers,

Laz

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Re: [vdr] Dual Tuner Cards

2007-06-25 Thread Chris Jones
Hi

Laz wrote:
 I did read stuff a while back about people getting USB disconnects from 
 them at random but I've never seen that with mine.

Are we saying that the Hauppauge USB dual tuner ones work? That would
seriously make my day!

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Re: [vdr] Dual Tuner Cards (Nova-T 500)

2007-06-25 Thread Richard Lithvall
On 6/25/07, *Laz* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I did read stuff a while back about people getting USB disconnects from
 them at random but I've never seen that with mine.

Andrew Herron wrote:
  Same here... no disconnects.

Which kernel are you running on? I'm still on 2.6.20 and are 
experiencing disconnects approx every 14 days... I haven't seen any 
decent report on the DVB-mailinglist that this issue have been solved.

Regards,
Richard

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Re: [vdr] Dual Tuner Cards

2007-06-25 Thread Torgeir Veimo


On 25 Jun 2007, at 11:41, Chris Jones wrote:


Hi

Laz wrote:
I did read stuff a while back about people getting USB disconnects  
from

them at random but I've never seen that with mine.


Are we saying that the Hauppauge USB dual tuner ones work? That would
seriously make my day!


The nova-t 500 is a PCI card, but has an internal USB bus.

The nova-t 500 doesn't work reliably at my location. An older nova-t  
works very well. The problem is with transmissions where the actual  
transmission frequency doesn't match the frequency in the PAT/PMT  
tables, or if using automatic settings for inversion, qam, hierarchy  
etc. See log below when tuning with w_scan.


The nova-t 500s remote sensor doesn't work yet.

I wouldn't recommend this card for use under linux at the moment.  
It's a hit or miss.



[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# w_scan
w_scan version 20060902
Info: using DVB adapter auto detection.
Info: unable to open frontend /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0'
   Found DVB-T frontend. Using adapter /dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0
-_-_-_-_ Getting frontend capabilities-_-_-_-_
frontend DiBcom 3000MC/P supports
INVERSION_AUTO
QAM_AUTO
TRANSMISSION_MODE_AUTO
GUARD_INTERVAL_AUTO
HIERARCHY_AUTO
FEC_AUTO
-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
177500:
184500:
191500:
198500:
205500:
212500:
219500:
226500:
474000:
482000: signal ok (I999B8C999D999M999T999G999Y999)
49:
498000:
506000: signal ok (I999B8C999D999M999T999G999Y999)
514000:
522000:
53: signal ok (I999B8C999D999M999T999G999Y999)
538000: signal ok (I999B8C999D999M999T999G999Y999)
546000:
554000:
562000: signal ok (I999B8C999D999M999T999G999Y999)
57:
578000:
586000:
594000:
602000:
61:
618000:
626000:
634000:
642000:
65:
658000:
666000:
674000:
682000:
69:
698000:
706000:
714000:
722000:
73:
738000:
746000:
754000:
762000:
77:
778000:
786000:
794000:
802000:
81:
818000:
826000:
834000:
842000:
85:
858000:
tune to: :482000:I999B8C999D999M999T999G999Y999:T:27500:
Info: filter timeout pid 0x0011
Info: filter timeout pid 0x
Info: filter timeout pid 0x0010
tune to: :506000:I999B8C999D999M999T999G999Y999:T:27500:
Info: filter timeout pid 0x0011
Info: filter timeout pid 0x
Info: filter timeout pid 0x0010
tune to: :53:I999B8C999D999M999T999G999Y999:T:27500:
Info: filter timeout pid 0x0011
Info: filter timeout pid 0x
Info: filter timeout pid 0x0010
tune to: :538000:I999B8C999D999M999T999G999Y999:T:27500:
Info: filter timeout pid 0x0011
Info: filter timeout pid 0x
Info: filter timeout pid 0x0010
tune to: :562000:I999B8C999D999M999T999G999Y999:T:27500:
Info: filter timeout pid 0x0011
Info: filter timeout pid 0x
Info: filter timeout pid 0x0010
dumping lists (0 services)
Done.
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Re: [vdr] Dual Tuner Cards

2007-06-25 Thread Chris Jones
Hi

Torgeir Veimo wrote:
 The nova-t 500 is a PCI card, but has an internal USB bus.

Is the hard-wired USB device the same as they sell separately?
(WinTV-Nova-TD)

I'm prepared to suffer a bit of weirdness while the drivers improve if I
can free up a valuable PCI slot in my HTPC!

Cheers,
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Re: [vdr] Dual Tuner Cards

2007-06-25 Thread Andrew Herron

On 6/25/07, Torgeir Veimo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



On 25 Jun 2007, at 11:41, Chris Jones wrote:

Hi

Laz wrote:

I did read stuff a while back about people getting USB disconnects from
them at random but I've never seen that with mine.


Are we saying that the Hauppauge USB dual tuner ones work? That would
seriously make my day!


The nova-t 500 is a PCI card, but has an internal USB bus.

The nova-t 500 doesn't work reliably at my location. An older nova-t works
very well. The problem is with transmissions where the actual transmission
frequency doesn't match the frequency in the PAT/PMT tables, or if using
automatic settings for inversion, qam, hierarchy etc. See log below when
tuning with w_scan.

The nova-t 500s remote sensor doesn't work yet.

I wouldn't recommend this card for use under linux at the moment. It's a
hit or miss.



Well the T500 is working well for us in multiple machines (one has 3 x
T500's installed) under Kubuntu 7.04 and Kernel 2.6.20-15-generic. We are
using the Hauppauge remote successfully with MS mce compatible IR receivers.
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