Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-09-27 Thread Thomas Hilber
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 02:55:31PM +, Bruno wrote: > Not at all. Because it?s a good motivation to learn one more language :) the primary intention of the patch was not a German language lesson I think:) the patch itself is written in C and the README is in English. Cheers Thomas

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-09-27 Thread Bruno
>> >> please see: >> >> http://www.vdr-portal.de/board/thread.php?threadid=80567 >> > > Too bad the text is not english :( Not at all. Because it’s a good motivation to learn one more language :) _ News, entertainment and everythi

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-09-27 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 08:35:23AM +0200, Thomas Hilber wrote: > a successor of my vga-sync-fields patch (http://lowbyte.de/vga-sync-fields/) > now has been released by 'durchflieger' on 'vdr-portal.de' with far more > functionality especially for HDTV related things. > > please see: > > http:/

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-09-26 Thread Thomas Hilber
a successor of my vga-sync-fields patch (http://lowbyte.de/vga-sync-fields/) now has been released by 'durchflieger' on 'vdr-portal.de' with far more functionality especially for HDTV related things. please see: http://www.vdr-portal.de/board/thread.php?threadid=80567 - sparkie

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-08-10 Thread Thomas Hilber
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 07:05:20PM +0400, Goga777 wrote: > but for 3d games this problem also actually ? or this issue exists only for > video playback ? 3d and playback from disk sync to the rate provided by the graphics card. What is of course not possible for live-TV. Cheers Thomas _

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-08-10 Thread Goga777
thanks for your answer but for 3d games this problem also actually ? or this issue exists only for video playback ? > > does your idea actually for new generation cards - ATI HD series, Intel > > G35/45 chipsets with hdmi output ? > > currently it does for everything pre-avivo (e.g. before r50

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-08-09 Thread Thomas Hilber
On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 11:26:21PM +0400, Goga777 wrote: > does your idea actually for new generation cards - ATI HD series, Intel > G35/45 chipsets with hdmi output ? currently it does for everything pre-avivo (e.g. before r500 with the exception of rs690 which is a r300-style 3d core but 2d is

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-08-09 Thread Goga777
Hi Thomas does your idea actually for new generation cards - ATI HD series, Intel G35/45 chipsets with hdmi output ? Goga ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-08-08 Thread Thomas Hilber
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 09:23:34PM +0100, Gavin Hamill wrote: > Finally I have had a chance to try these patches - I managed to get an > old Radeon 7000 PCI (RV100)... nice! > I am using a fresh bare install of Ubuntu hardy which ships xine-lib > 1.1.11, but the patches don't compile :( The Makef

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-08-08 Thread Gavin Hamill
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 18:37 +0200, Thomas Hilber wrote: > Hi list, > Finally I have had a chance to try these patches - I managed to get an old Radeon 7000 PCI (RV100)... I am using a fresh bare install of Ubuntu hardy which ships xine-lib 1.1.11, but the patches don't compile :( The Makefile.am

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-07-27 Thread Thomas Hilber
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 03:53:01PM +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > Is it possible to output WSS signal from a VGA card to switch between 4:3 > and 16:9 modes? > > http://www.intersil.com/data/an/an9716.pdf it should be possible to emulate WSS by white dots/lines in a specific scanline. But I did

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-07-27 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 06:37:05PM +0200, Thomas Hilber wrote: > > goal > > > develop a budget card based VDR with PAL/RGB output and FF like output quality > > VGA-to-SCART RGB adapter like this: http://www.sput.nl/hardware/tv-x.html > Hi again! One more question.. Is it possible to ou

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-07-24 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 02:29:15PM +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 09:02:50PM +1000, Torgeir Veimo wrote: > > > > On 24 Jul 2008, at 20:49, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > > > > >>> Hmm.. can you explain what "increase/decrease Xservers frame rate" > > >>> means? > > >> > > >>

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-07-24 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 01:36:41PM +0200, Thomas Hilber wrote: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 01:49:18PM +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > > Does this mean XV extension (or X itself) does not provide a way to > > "wait for retrace" out-of-the-box.. and your patch adds that functionality? > > most imple

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-07-24 Thread Thomas Hilber
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 01:49:18PM +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > Does this mean XV extension (or X itself) does not provide a way to > "wait for retrace" out-of-the-box.. and your patch adds that functionality? most implementations provide "wait for retrace" out-of-the-box. The point is that

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-07-24 Thread Thomas Hilber
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 09:02:50PM +1000, Torgeir Veimo wrote: > > Hmm.. I still don't understand why you need to do this in the first > > place? > > > It is to avoid the output framerate drifting away from the DVB-T/S/C > input framerate. right. Normally Xserver modelines can only produce '

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-07-24 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 09:02:50PM +1000, Torgeir Veimo wrote: > > On 24 Jul 2008, at 20:49, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > > >>> Hmm.. can you explain what "increase/decrease Xservers frame rate" > >>> means? > >> > >> you simply adjust the time between two vertical blanking (retrace) > >> interva

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-07-24 Thread Torgeir Veimo
On 24 Jul 2008, at 20:49, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: >>> Hmm.. can you explain what "increase/decrease Xservers frame rate" >>> means? >> >> you simply adjust the time between two vertical blanking (retrace) >> intervals >> to your needs. > Hmm.. I still don't understand why you need to do this

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-07-24 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 09:21:01PM +0200, Thomas Hilber wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 05:05:21PM +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > > I assume RGB NTSC should work as well.. ? > > basically yes. The devil is in the details:) Just give it a try. > > > > When xine-lib calls PutImage() it checks whe

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-07-23 Thread Thomas Hilber
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 05:05:21PM +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > I assume RGB NTSC should work as well.. ? basically yes. The devil is in the details:) Just give it a try. > > When xine-lib calls PutImage() it checks whether to increase/decrease > > Xservers frame rate. This way after a short a

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-07-23 Thread Thomas Hilber
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 09:20:08AM +0100, Laz wrote: > that the only cards that could be convinced to sync at such low rates, > i.e. 50 Hz for PAL, were the Matrox G400, G450, etc. Whenever I tried > setting modelines with any other cards, I never got any output or an > error when starting X. a

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-07-23 Thread Thomas Hilber
Hi, On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 06:04:29PM +1000, Torgeir Veimo wrote: > Your approach is very interesting, I myself have seen the problems > that clock drift has on judder when using softdevice with vdr. yes, that's also my experience with certain xineliboutput - xine-lib version combinations. I a

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-07-23 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 06:37:05PM +0200, Thomas Hilber wrote: > > It appeared to be a privilege of so called full featured cards (expensive > cards > running proprietary firmware) to output true RGB PAL at variable framerate. > Thus always providing full stream synchronicity. > I assume RGB NTS

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-07-23 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 03:09:29PM +0200, Thomas Hilber wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:51:13PM +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > > A bit off topic.. Does any of the video players for Linux switch to a > > resolution/modeline with a different refresh rate when watching a movie to > > get perfect

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-07-23 Thread Thomas Hilber
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:51:13PM +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > A bit off topic.. Does any of the video players for Linux switch to a > resolution/modeline with a different refresh rate when watching a movie to > get perfect synchronization and no tearing? some time ago I accidentally stumbled

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-07-23 Thread Laz
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2008, Thomas Hilber wrote: > solution > > > graphics cards basically are not designed for variable frame rates. > Once you have setup their timing you are not provided any means like > registers to synchronize the frame rate with external timers. But > that's exactly what

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-07-23 Thread Torgeir Veimo
On 23 Jul 2008, at 02:37, Thomas Hilber wrote: > To a certain degree you can workaround this by software deinterlacing. > After some further experimenting I finally found a solution to fine > adjust the > frame rate of my elderly Radeon type card. > Just trimming the length of a few scanlines

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-07-22 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 06:37:05PM +0200, Thomas Hilber wrote: > Hi list, > > the last few days I made some interesting experiences with VGA cards I > now want to share with you. > > goal > > > develop a budget card based VDR with PAL/RGB output and FF like output quality > > problem > ---

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-07-22 Thread Theunis Potgieter
wow, when I buy an AMD card I will sure look up your code. :) currently I'm still using a pentium 4, 2.4GHz machine with nvidia AGP 440MX card, only way to get that to work properly was with the older nvidia drivers 71.86.0 , apparently the newer drivers forces PAL or any other TV Standard to run

Re: [vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-07-22 Thread Gavin Hamill
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 18:37 +0200, Thomas Hilber wrote: > Hi list, > > the last few days I made some interesting experiences with VGA cards I > now want to share with you. Wow! I can't support this project strongly enough - what a perfect idea! In the inevitable shift towards HDTV and progressi

[vdr] RGB/PAL over VGA at variable frame rate

2008-07-22 Thread Thomas Hilber
Hi list, the last few days I made some interesting experiences with VGA cards I now want to share with you. goal develop a budget card based VDR with PAL/RGB output and FF like output quality problem --- as we all know current VGA graphics output quality suffers from certain limitatio