On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 05:43:43PM +0200, Peter
Dittmann wrote:
Partial nonsense ;-))
CF has nothing to do with CI and smartcards.
You need a CI adapter an an CAM adapter card for the smartcard.
I find no comparison/info on CI and CF on wikipedia. Could you give
me some info please? How does the CAM interface with the PC?
A DVB card (may) have a special connector for a CI
interfase.
This is a card or 3 1/2 bay adapter to insert
a CAM card into.
The CAM does the actual decryption or authorisation
of the provider.
The smartcard is inserted into the CAM to provide
the actuall keys/subscritions for the decryption
The CAM always interfaces with the DVB card directly
as the decryption/authorisation is done in hardware.
For safety the authorisation data are never transfered
on an open bus like USB/PCI.
Alternatively there are standalone smartcard readers (USB/serial).
No, I clearly see it is illegal.
But these are not working without some legally doubtfull patches/plugins
of VDR.
Beside the skipping of CI and CAM (which is patent violaton but
not realy
illegal) these can use illegal software keys, which is illegal
in most of
the world.
Therefore nobody here on the list will give you any added detailes.
NP, I am not going that route either.
The official method is bying a CI adapter and CAM card for your
DVB card.
Even this is a violation of some provider rules as it's not certified
by
them.
Never mind if it is a violation but I have no money to buy an FF card.
Get it?
There are FF and budget DVB cards available with CI interface adapter (e.g.
Technotrend / Hauppauge).
You need one of both WITH CI adapter as a minimum.
The CI costs around 50€ for the Technotrend/Hauppauge
cards and the CAM is another 50..100€
This is costwise in between a plain (cheap) budget
and a FF DVB card.
So for me to view pay channels with a budget card, what do I do?
Can I get a generic USB CI card?
So that I place a CAM which houses a smart card to decrypt channels?
No chance here.
CICAM always interface directly with the DVB
card (FF or budget), no external (USB) solution is available.
So it's eigther a DVB+CI+CAM+Smartcard or smardcard
reader (USB or serial) + software CAM [illegal !!!]
It's sad that there is no 'gray' softcam option that
only does the CAM opearations in software but needs the smartcard always.
This would be legaly a 'gray' area as it only violates patent regulations
of the decryption owner but would not circumvent the decryption. The 'banned'
plugin/patch combines this 'gray' CAM simulation with a fully illegal 'simulation'
of the smardcard ;-)).
It's in this respect like the 'banned' CSS library
which also contains 'illegal' CSS keys for DVD or just plainly breaks the
encryption.
I belive for DVB there could be a legally acceptable
version of a software CAM when it does CAM simmulation only.
If the keys are always from the smartcard there would
be no 'illegal' decryption.
For DVD this would only being possible if the CSS
key of a 'legal' CSS library would be legally licenced from the DVD forum.
Unfortunely this will (likely) never happen.
For DVB the keys are transferable on the smartcard
and the smard card keys are legally optained by the user when he subscribes
at a program provider.
So using a software CAM which uses keys from a smartcard
via a card reader only violates patents of the decryption owner + program
provider regulations (which CI+CAM also violates already !), but it would
not being considered 'illegal' in europe.
The 'illegal' softcam can be stripped down to do just
that (makes the use ethically acceptable for me as a user), but the whole
tool goes beyound that.
Unfortunely there may be some legal court fight neccessary
to settle this legally as the patent owners and providers may put up a
fight first agains whomever distributes the 'gray' CAM simulation.
So this option is also very likely not going to happen.
kind regards Peter
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