Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic backups failing with 610
Hello Yes we created new policy ,repeated the whole process. Taking manual full followed by incremental and then Synthetic.I have now verified the manual full images and media verify failed. I can see the full backup as successful backup but media verify failed and thus synthetic backups are failing. Now this is something new to troubleshoot. PranavB To: pranav_vent...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic backups failing with 610 From: ken_zuf...@goodyear.com Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 07:35:26 -0400 How often are you running the backups? If TIR information has dropped off for some reason, it can cause a 610 as well. They can also be generated if one of the backups has expired (automatically or manually) before the next synthetic is scheduled. Have you tried taking a new regular full and starting the process again? Ken Zufall Operating Systems Administrator D660C The Goodyear Tire Rubber Company GTN 446.0592 or 330.796.0592 From: pranav batra pranav_vent...@hotmail.com To: ken_zuf...@goodyear.com ken_zuf...@goodyear.com, Veritas veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Date: 06/05/2013 01:32 AM Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic backups failing with 610 We are only trying to synthesize full and differential. We are not taking cumulative and still backup is failing with 610. Thanks, PranavB To: sm...@peppas.gr CC: pranav_vent...@hotmail.com; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic backups failing with 610 From: ken_zuf...@goodyear.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 10:45:50 -0400 No, that configuration doesn't work either. You're limited to a single synthetic schedule per policy. Ken Zufall Operating Systems Administrator D660C The Goodyear Tire Rubber Company GTN 446.0592 or 330.796.0592 From:sm...@peppas.gr To:ken_zuf...@goodyear.com, pranav_vent...@hotmail.com Cc:veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Date:06/04/2013 10:15 AM Subject:RE: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic backups failing with 610 But , I think that you can run differential incrementals and synthesize a cumulative backup. Then you can use the full and the latest synthetic cumulative and create a new synthetic full. As you do not mix incremental and cumulative backups you are ok stefanos From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of ken_zuf...@goodyear.com Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 2:33 PM To: pranav_vent...@hotmail.com Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic backups failing with 610 We had a similar problem last year, discovered that the problem--for us, anyways--is that you can't have mixed incrementals when using synthetics. For example, you can run differential incrementals and synthetic fulls; you can run cumulative incrementals and synthetic fulls; but you cannot run cumulative and differential backups and get successful synthetics. They will work for a single cycle (seed full, mixed incrementals, synthetic full), but the next time a synthetic is attempted it will fail with a 610. Took us months to figure that one out and that was working with Symantec support. Ken Zufall Operating Systems Administrator The Goodyear Tire Rubber Company From:pranav batra pranav_vent...@hotmail.com To:Veritas veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Date:06/04/2013 02:53 AM Subject:[Veritas-bu] Synthetic backups failing with 610 Sent by:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Hello Geeks, I am here facing issues with synthetic backup. There are 7-8 windows 2008 clients that are giving me issues with synthetic backup. The backup is failing with 610. 1: (610) end point terminated with an error Environment : Master windows 2008 R2 -7.5.0.5 Client 7.5.0.5 -2008R2 We are taking their backups on Pure Disk pool ( We have created MSDP ). All the backups are happening over the WAN and thus we are using synthetic backups for the weekends. FUll backups runs fine ,incremental runs file ,synthetic also does runs fine but fails after running/writing few Gigs with 610. 1: (610) end point terminated with an error Not able to get any clue even from Symantec till now. Any help would be appreciated. Anyone else faced similar issue before. Thanks, PranavB ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Synthetic backups failing with 610
Hello Geeks, I am here facing issues with synthetic backup. There are 7-8 windows 2008 clients that are giving me issues with synthetic backup.The backup is failing with 610. 1: (610) end point terminated with an error Environment : Master windows 2008 R2 -7.5.0.5Client 7.5.0.5 -2008R2 We are taking their backups on Pure Disk pool ( We have created MSDP ). All the backups are happening over the WAN and thus we are using synthetic backups for the weekends. FUll backups runs fine ,incremental runs file ,synthetic also does runs fine but fails after running/writing few Gigs with 610. 1: (610) end point terminated with an error Not able to get any clue even from Symantec till now. Any help would be appreciated.Anyone else faced similar issue before. Thanks,PranavB ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic backups failing with 610
We had a similar problem last year, discovered that the problem--for us, anyways--is that you can't have mixed incrementals when using synthetics. For example, you can run differential incrementals and synthetic fulls; you can run cumulative incrementals and synthetic fulls; but you cannot run cumulative and differential backups and get successful synthetics. They will work for a single cycle (seed full, mixed incrementals, synthetic full), but the next time a synthetic is attempted it will fail with a 610. Took us months to figure that one out and that was working with Symantec support. Ken Zufall Operating Systems Administrator The Goodyear Tire Rubber Company From: pranav batra pranav_vent...@hotmail.com To: Veritas veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Date: 06/04/2013 02:53 AM Subject:[Veritas-bu] Synthetic backups failing with 610 Sent by:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Hello Geeks, I am here facing issues with synthetic backup. There are 7-8 windows 2008 clients that are giving me issues with synthetic backup. The backup is failing with 610. 1: (610) end point terminated with an error Environment : Master windows 2008 R2 -7.5.0.5 Client 7.5.0.5 -2008R2 We are taking their backups on Pure Disk pool ( We have created MSDP ). All the backups are happening over the WAN and thus we are using synthetic backups for the weekends. FUll backups runs fine ,incremental runs file ,synthetic also does runs fine but fails after running/writing few Gigs with 610. 1: (610) end point terminated with an error Not able to get any clue even from Symantec till now. Any help would be appreciated. Anyone else faced similar issue before. Thanks, PranavB ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic backups failing with 610
But , I think that you can run differential incrementals and synthesize a cumulative backup. Then you can use the full and the latest synthetic cumulative and create a new synthetic full. As you do not mix incremental and cumulative backups you are ok stefanos From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of ken_zuf...@goodyear.com Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 2:33 PM To: pranav_vent...@hotmail.com Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic backups failing with 610 We had a similar problem last year, discovered that the problem--for us, anyways--is that you can't have mixed incrementals when using synthetics. For example, you can run differential incrementals and synthetic fulls; you can run cumulative incrementals and synthetic fulls; but you cannot run cumulative and differential backups and get successful synthetics. They will work for a single cycle (seed full, mixed incrementals, synthetic full), but the next time a synthetic is attempted it will fail with a 610. Took us months to figure that one out and that was working with Symantec support. Ken Zufall Operating Systems Administrator The Goodyear Tire Rubber Company From:pranav batra pranav_vent...@hotmail.com To:Veritas veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Date:06/04/2013 02:53 AM Subject:[Veritas-bu] Synthetic backups failing with 610 Sent by:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu _ Hello Geeks, I am here facing issues with synthetic backup. There are 7-8 windows 2008 clients that are giving me issues with synthetic backup. The backup is failing with 610. 1: (610) end point terminated with an error Environment : Master windows 2008 R2 -7.5.0.5 Client 7.5.0.5 -2008R2 We are taking their backups on Pure Disk pool ( We have created MSDP ). All the backups are happening over the WAN and thus we are using synthetic backups for the weekends. FUll backups runs fine ,incremental runs file ,synthetic also does runs fine but fails after running/writing few Gigs with 610. 1: (610) end point terminated with an error Not able to get any clue even from Symantec till now. Any help would be appreciated. Anyone else faced similar issue before. Thanks, PranavB ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic backups failing with 610
No, that configuration doesn't work either. You're limited to a single synthetic schedule per policy. Ken Zufall Operating Systems Administrator D660C The Goodyear Tire Rubber Company GTN 446.0592 or 330.796.0592 From: sm...@peppas.gr To: ken_zuf...@goodyear.com, pranav_vent...@hotmail.com Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Date: 06/04/2013 10:15 AM Subject:RE: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic backups failing with 610 But , I think that you can run differential incrementals and synthesize a cumulative backup. Then you can use the full and the latest synthetic cumulative and create a new synthetic full. As you do not mix incremental and cumulative backups you are ok stefanos From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [ mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of ken_zuf...@goodyear.com Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 2:33 PM To: pranav_vent...@hotmail.com Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic backups failing with 610 We had a similar problem last year, discovered that the problem--for us, anyways--is that you can't have mixed incrementals when using synthetics. For example, you can run differential incrementals and synthetic fulls; you can run cumulative incrementals and synthetic fulls; but you cannot run cumulative and differential backups and get successful synthetics. They will work for a single cycle (seed full, mixed incrementals, synthetic full), but the next time a synthetic is attempted it will fail with a 610. Took us months to figure that one out and that was working with Symantec support. Ken Zufall Operating Systems Administrator The Goodyear Tire Rubber Company From:pranav batra pranav_vent...@hotmail.com To:Veritas veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Date:06/04/2013 02:53 AM Subject:[Veritas-bu] Synthetic backups failing with 610 Sent by:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Hello Geeks, I am here facing issues with synthetic backup. There are 7-8 windows 2008 clients that are giving me issues with synthetic backup. The backup is failing with 610. 1: (610) end point terminated with an error Environment : Master windows 2008 R2 -7.5.0.5 Client 7.5.0.5 -2008R2 We are taking their backups on Pure Disk pool ( We have created MSDP ). All the backups are happening over the WAN and thus we are using synthetic backups for the weekends. FUll backups runs fine ,incremental runs file ,synthetic also does runs fine but fails after running/writing few Gigs with 610. 1: (610) end point terminated with an error Not able to get any clue even from Symantec till now. Any help would be appreciated. Anyone else faced similar issue before. Thanks, PranavB ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic backups failing with 610
We are only trying to synthesize full and differential. We are not taking cumulative and still backup is failing with 610. Thanks,PranavB To: sm...@peppas.gr CC: pranav_vent...@hotmail.com; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic backups failing with 610 From: ken_zuf...@goodyear.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 10:45:50 -0400 No, that configuration doesn't work either. You're limited to a single synthetic schedule per policy. Ken Zufall Operating Systems Administrator D660C The Goodyear Tire Rubber Company GTN 446.0592 or 330.796.0592 From: sm...@peppas.gr To: ken_zuf...@goodyear.com, pranav_vent...@hotmail.com Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Date: 06/04/2013 10:15 AM Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic backups failing with 610 But , I think that you can run differential incrementals and synthesize a cumulative backup. Then you can use the full and the latest synthetic cumulative and create a new synthetic full. As you do not mix incremental and cumulative backups you are ok stefanos From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of ken_zuf...@goodyear.com Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 2:33 PM To: pranav_vent...@hotmail.com Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic backups failing with 610 We had a similar problem last year, discovered that the problem--for us, anyways--is that you can't have mixed incrementals when using synthetics. For example, you can run differential incrementals and synthetic fulls; you can run cumulative incrementals and synthetic fulls; but you cannot run cumulative and differential backups and get successful synthetics. They will work for a single cycle (seed full, mixed incrementals, synthetic full), but the next time a synthetic is attempted it will fail with a 610. Took us months to figure that one out and that was working with Symantec support. Ken Zufall Operating Systems Administrator The Goodyear Tire Rubber Company From:pranav batra pranav_vent...@hotmail.com To:Veritas veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Date:06/04/2013 02:53 AM Subject:[Veritas-bu] Synthetic backups failing with 610 Sent by:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Hello Geeks, I am here facing issues with synthetic backup. There are 7-8 windows 2008 clients that are giving me issues with synthetic backup. The backup is failing with 610. 1: (610) end point terminated with an error Environment : Master windows 2008 R2 -7.5.0.5 Client 7.5.0.5 -2008R2 We are taking their backups on Pure Disk pool ( We have created MSDP ). All the backups are happening over the WAN and thus we are using synthetic backups for the weekends. FUll backups runs fine ,incremental runs file ,synthetic also does runs fine but fails after running/writing few Gigs with 610. 1: (610) end point terminated with an error Not able to get any clue even from Symantec till now. Any help would be appreciated. Anyone else faced similar issue before. Thanks, PranavB ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Synthetic Full Backup not starting
We have two big fileshares (900GB, 1.5TB, both about 2 million files) that I recently changed to Synthetic Full backups to speed up backups. [We're on NetBackup Enterprise 6.5, backing up to disk and then duplicating to tapes]. But every few weeks these SynthFulls just don't start! A traditional Full works OK (to start off the sequence). Then daily Differential Incrementals work OK (window 21:00-00:00 Mon-Fri) and finish about 01:30. The Synthetic Full window is 00:00 Sat-00:00 Sun, but I see that the job goes into the Activity monitor queue at 1 second after the Friday evening DiffInc starts. A couple of minutes after the Friday DiffInc finishes, the SynthFull starts, and it goes on about 12 hours - OK when that happens. But twice in the last couple of months one or both of these SynthFulls just doesn't even start. The Friday DiffInc starts finishes OK, but no SynthFull, no warnings, no error messages. Nothing in the bpsynth log directory that day, no syn_ entries in the bptm log. It looks as though the Policy Execution Manager doesn't have the entry in its schedule. When the SynthFulls run, they don't gradually start later later, so it doesn't look like they are losing the window. Running another Traditional Full seems to get things going OK again for a few weeks. Any ideas, please? Having to run these large jobs manually, and then duplicating the images to tape, takes a couple of days and ties up tape drives that might be needed for restores! TIA Ian +-- |This was sent by ian.but...@calderdale.gov.uk via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] synthetic
terry712 wrote: running synthetic backups . windows backups and all 6.5.6. the backups are synthesiing without problem - only thing that i still need to get setup is i want a monthly backup to get ported onto tape. how do you do this? Gidday, what we do for our EOM backups is do a separate tape copy that grabs its tapes from our EOM volume pool. Admittedly, its time consuming ... but its worked perfectly for us for 3+ years now (and that's for two separate synthetic backups every weekend - and this puts both onto one set of tapes) I should add that we do have Vault ... I don't know if that makes much difference. Hope that helps. Cheers John +-- |This was sent by jcr...@marketforce.com.au via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] synthetic
Find out and let me know :P There is a touchfile to allow the synth to write 2 copies at the same time. One to disk, one to tape. I wish the NBU developers would get off their asses and enable SLP as a backup target for synthetics. This omission is pathetic to have been left as a known issue for so long. http://www.symantec.com/business/support/index?page=contentid=TECH72168 On 10/1/2010 3:22 PM, terry712 wrote: running synthetic backups . windows backups and all 6.5.6. the backups are synthesiing without problem - only thing that i still need to get setup is i want a monthly backup to get ported onto tape how do you do this? thanks +-- |This was sent by terry.r...@lpct.scot.nhs.uk via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backup Fails Code 671 / 238
Anybody pulling, or have pulled, their hair out on this one? Synthetic Backup Fails Code 671 *error=the database contains conflicting or erroneous entries(238)* I found the following, but even though it seemed to match my issue, it was of no use. http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/275030.htm Anybody try anything that worked? Steve ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups
Nope. You verified what I believed to be the case. Although the documentation suggests otherwise, and something that the original poster is experiencing does as well, it's nice to see that it works as I thought it should -- at least somewhere. ;) Thanks. -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Crowey Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:52 PM To: VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU Subject: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups cpreston wrote: And you're verifying that the original full does not need to be kept around? OK ... I missed two important points I guess. With a 1 month retention period, I always have 4 (weekly) synthetic backups in my library, and so yes I've never had any problem about recovering files very quickly that were/are less than one month old. However, we do also have another separate policy that duplicates the most recent synthetic copy to another set of tapes for our EOM set. And, again, I've restored from our EOM tapes (from various months/years) more than enough times to know that the process works just fine. And I do know for sure that we do not keep an initial full backup - it expires (after one month) like any other backup. Its the seed for the initial synthetic, but then its no longer required - moreover, its no longer useful (in the synthetic backup process) if you don't have differentials that date back to the creation of that 'seed' full backup. Is that clearer? Anything else that I missed? +-- |This was sent by jcr...@marketforce.com.au via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups
There is a case open with Symantec about this issue, and I am told an EEB will be made available soon. You are not supposed to have to keep a full around, but once the full expires a new full is taken automagically. QuoteSo it appears I need to keep the Full backup around even though the Synthetic Full is suppose to be its equivalent. The Full backup runs on Day 5 even though I don't have it scheduled. In Fact Full are manual. Synthetics are scheduled. +-- |This was sent by jhilt...@excite.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups
Yeh, I'm not crazy! Or at least about this one. Thanks Jim H From another JimH -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Jim H Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:59 AM To: VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU Subject: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups There is a case open with Symantec about this issue, and I am told an EEB will be made available soon. You are not supposed to have to keep a full around, but once the full expires a new full is taken automagically. QuoteSo it appears I need to keep the Full backup around even though the Synthetic Full is suppose to be its equivalent. The Full backup runs on Day 5 even though I don't have it scheduled. In Fact Full are manual. Synthetics are scheduled. +-- |This was sent by jhilt...@excite.com via Backup Central. Forward SPAM |to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups
There is a case open with Symantec about this issue, and I am told an EEB will be made available soon. You are not supposed to have to keep a full around, No. You _must_ have a full plus subsequent TIR and diffs or cincs to synthesize a new full, but it does not matter how the full was generated. (That was for clarity--I assume you meant to keep a traditional full around.) but once the full expires a new full is taken automagically. I've used synthetic fulls and cincs for years, demonstrated them in this mailing list and found the documentation to be pretty darned clear. IME, they always work. What's been missing from this discussion (apologies if I've missed it) is detail about what setup you or the original poster have. What release, what platform, what is the policy config, what images and TIR are available when it doesn't work for you, what's the bpdbjobs output (easy way to track the progress of a synth and the components it is using)? I've confirmed it is working properly in 6.5.3.1 Solaris: no natural full exists, nor is one created--just the current synthfull + cinc = new synthful. Is this (your experience, and the support case and EEB) a 6.5.4 issue? QuoteSo it appears I need to keep the Full backup around even though the Synthetic Full is suppose to be its equivalent. The Full backup runs on Day 5 even though I don't have it scheduled. In Fact Full are manual. Synthetics are scheduled. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups
As I stated in a previous post. The issue here may not be Synthetic Backups. An unsheduled Full backup(not synthetic) runs the next day !!!after I expire the original full!!! The original Full was run manually. Using Calendar based with no date to start. Remember this was just a test to see what happened if I expired the full. However Bob states you must have the full plus TIRs. This is a TIR policy. All diffs exist. I expect an error if a requirement is not met, not running a full backup, unless this is something new. Running 6.5.4 but it may not be related to this release. Suse 10 ia64 (old sgi) Job is gone so I'll need to regenerate. Jim -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of bob944 Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 12:26 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Cc: j...@federaledge.com; jhilt...@excite.com Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups There is a case open with Symantec about this issue, and I am told an EEB will be made available soon. You are not supposed to have to keep a full around, No. You _must_ have a full plus subsequent TIR and diffs or cincs to synthesize a new full, but it does not matter how the full was generated. (That was for clarity--I assume you meant to keep a traditional full around.) but once the full expires a new full is taken automagically. I've used synthetic fulls and cincs for years, demonstrated them in this mailing list and found the documentation to be pretty darned clear. IME, they always work. What's been missing from this discussion (apologies if I've missed it) is detail about what setup you or the original poster have. What release, what platform, what is the policy config, what images and TIR are available when it doesn't work for you, what's the bpdbjobs output (easy way to track the progress of a synth and the components it is using)? I've confirmed it is working properly in 6.5.3.1 Solaris: no natural full exists, nor is one created--just the current synthfull + cinc = new synthful. Is this (your experience, and the support case and EEB) a 6.5.4 issue? QuoteSo it appears I need to keep the Full backup around even though the Synthetic Full is suppose to be its equivalent. The Full backup runs on Day 5 even though I don't have it scheduled. In Fact Full are manual. Synthetics are scheduled. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups
Jim, I've been testing it myself. I think you do need to keep that full backup around. The synthetic part of a synthetic backup is the consolidation of the full backup and the incrementals into a single image. This is done via duplication. The test scenario I'm working with is the following: Full backup taken every 4 weeks and kept for 2 months Incremental every night kept for 2 months Synthetic full every week which is kept for 1 month (offsite retention only) This seems to be working fine. I see a full backup during in the backup image list for the test client. I've not actually trying doing a restore of this full backup to see what tapes are loaded and how long it will take. I have a bit of an oddity. I'm testing Synthetic Backups. I have Day 1 Full backup. Day 2 Incremental Day 3 Synthetic-Full Day 4 Incremental (and manually expire the Day 1 Full) Day 5 Full backup runs So it appears I need to keep the Full backup around even though the Synthetic Full is suppose to be its equivalent. The Full backup runs on Day 5 even though I don't have it scheduled. In Fact Full are manual. Synthetics are scheduled. Is this normal? Running 6.5.4 +-- |This was sent by t...@tjsimerson.org via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups
I've been testing it myself. I think you do need to keep that full backup around. The synthetic part of a synthetic backup is the consolidation of the full backup and the incrementals into a single image. This is done via duplication. What makes it synthetic is that it is created tape to tape instead of transferring a bunch of non-changed data from the client again. Once that new (synthetic) full is created, there is no need for previous fulls (other than for retention). The new full DOES NOT rely on the old full once it's created. +-- |This was sent by wcplis...@gmail.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups
Thanks all, Though keeping the orginal full around(to create other synthetics) does seem a bit strange. Hopefully Netbackup will mature to elimnate the constraint. Jim -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of cpreston Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:39 PM To: VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU Subject: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups I've been testing it myself. I think you do need to keep that full backup around. The synthetic part of a synthetic backup is the consolidation of the full backup and the incrementals into a single image. This is done via duplication. What makes it synthetic is that it is created tape to tape instead of transferring a bunch of non-changed data from the client again. Once that new (synthetic) full is created, there is no need for previous fulls (other than for retention). The new full DOES NOT rely on the old full once it's created. +-- |This was sent by wcplis...@gmail.com via Backup Central. Forward SPAM |to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups
From what I've read, and from what Curtis says below, you DON'T need to keep the original full backup around, once you've created at least one more synethtic full backup. You can do just one full backup, then keep creating synthetic fulls by merging the previous synthetic full with incrementals, forever. The original full backup does not need to be retained as long is there is always at least one unexpired synthetic full available. Regards Dean On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Jim Horalek j...@federaledge.com wrote: Thanks all, Though keeping the orginal full around(to create other synthetics) does seem a bit strange. Hopefully Netbackup will mature to elimnate the constraint. Jim -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of cpreston Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:39 PM To: VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU Subject: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups I've been testing it myself. I think you do need to keep that full backup around. The synthetic part of a synthetic backup is the consolidation of the full backup and the incrementals into a single image. This is done via duplication. What makes it synthetic is that it is created tape to tape instead of transferring a bunch of non-changed data from the client again. Once that new (synthetic) full is created, there is no need for previous fulls (other than for retention). The new full DOES NOT rely on the old full once it's created. +-- |This was sent by wcplis...@gmail.com via Backup Central. Forward SPAM |to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups
On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 10:11:46AM +1000, Dean wrote: From what I've read, and from what Curtis says below, you DON'T need to keep the original full backup around, once you've created at least one more synethtic full backup. You can do just one full backup, then keep creating synthetic fulls by merging the previous synthetic full with incrementals, forever. The original full backup does not need to be retained as long is there is always at least one unexpired synthetic full available. That is not what the admin guide says (I'm looking at Admin guide 1 for UNIX NBU 6.5, page 128). I had assumed this would be possible, but it says a non-synthetic full must be used as the source. Synthetic backup A synthetic full or synthetic cumulative incremental backup is a backup assembled from previous backups. The backups include one previous, traditional full backup, and subsequent differential backups and/or a cumulative incremental backup. (A traditional full backup means a non-synthesized, full backup.) A client can then use the synthesized backup to restore files and directories in the same way that a client restores from a traditional backup. -- Darren ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups
I see what you mean. But I suspect that's just a poorly worded paragraph. The diagram on page 200 of the Admin Guide (Vol 1, Windows version) indicates the original full is not required ongoing. I wish I could say for sure from experience, but I've never been able to get synthetic backups working at all :( Cheers, Dean On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:21 AM, A Darren Dunham ddun...@taos.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 10:11:46AM +1000, Dean wrote: From what I've read, and from what Curtis says below, you DON'T need to keep the original full backup around, once you've created at least one more synethtic full backup. You can do just one full backup, then keep creating synthetic fulls by merging the previous synthetic full with incrementals, forever. The original full backup does not need to be retained as long is there is always at least one unexpired synthetic full available. That is not what the admin guide says (I'm looking at Admin guide 1 for UNIX NBU 6.5, page 128). I had assumed this would be possible, but it says a non-synthetic full must be used as the source. Synthetic backup A synthetic full or synthetic cumulative incremental backup is a backup assembled from previous backups. The backups include one previous, traditional full backup, and subsequent differential backups and/or a cumulative incremental backup. (A traditional full backup means a non-synthesized, full backup.) A client can then use the synthesized backup to restore files and directories in the same way that a client restores from a traditional backup. -- Darren ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups
Gidday, I've been running synthetics for nearly two years now to backup about 3/3.5 TBs and have to say has generally run extremely well. Within the same policy I have 3 schedules. The first is an ad-hoc full - I used this to create the first full backup, and on the very few occasions when the synthetic has stuffed up and I needed to start again. It has a 1 month retention. Second is a daily differential that runs every three hours and goes to disc. They have a two week retention period. Lastly, I have the synthetic full backup. Runs every saturday and also has a 1 month retention. Like I said, it occasionaly stuffs up, but works 99% of the time, and appears to run 3 to 4 times faster than a traditional full. I HIGHLY recommend it. +-- |This was sent by jcr...@marketforce.com.au via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups Or May A Red Herring.
Unfortunately my test showed you do.(or do they?). I'm to understand why expiring the full backup triggered another full backup (not synthetic). There maybe an obsure reason that my test failed or it may be a bug. Maybe the Full backup running has nothing to do with the synthetics but is actually a scheduling or retension issue. Since all my Fulls are manual this is a bit perplexing as to why a Full ran automatically. Something to do with running a manual backup and the system thinks it hasn't run since the image was expired? jim From: Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:11 PM To: Jim Horalek Cc: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups From what I've read, and from what Curtis says below, you DON'T need to keep the original full backup around, once you've created at least one more synethtic full backup. You can do just one full backup, then keep creating synthetic fulls by merging the previous synthetic full with incrementals, forever. The original full backup does not need to be retained as long is there is always at least one unexpired synthetic full available. Regards Dean On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Jim Horalek j...@federaledge.com wrote: Thanks all, Though keeping the orginal full around(to create other synthetics) does seem a bit strange. Hopefully Netbackup will mature to elimnate the constraint. Jim -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of cpreston Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:39 PM To: VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU Subject: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups I've been testing it myself. I think you do need to keep that full backup around. The synthetic part of a synthetic backup is the consolidation of the full backup and the incrementals into a single image. This is done via duplication. What makes it synthetic is that it is created tape to tape instead of transferring a bunch of non-changed data from the client again. Once that new (synthetic) full is created, there is no need for previous fulls (other than for retention). The new full DOES NOT rely on the old full once it's created. +-- |This was sent by wcplis...@gmail.com via Backup Central. Forward SPAM |to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups
And you're verifying that the original full does not need to be kept around? -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Crowey Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:55 PM To: VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU Subject: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups Gidday, I've been running synthetics for nearly two years now to backup about 3/3.5 TBs and have to say has generally run extremely well. Within the same policy I have 3 schedules. The first is an ad-hoc full - I used this to create the first full backup, and on the very few occasions when the synthetic has stuffed up and I needed to start again. It has a 1 month retention. Second is a daily differential that runs every three hours and goes to disc. They have a two week retention period. Lastly, I have the synthetic full backup. Runs every saturday and also has a 1 month retention. Like I said, it occasionaly stuffs up, but works 99% of the time, and appears to run 3 to 4 times faster than a traditional full. I HIGHLY recommend it. +-- |This was sent by jcr...@marketforce.com.au via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups
cpreston wrote: And you're verifying that the original full does not need to be kept around? OK ... I missed two important points I guess. With a 1 month retention period, I always have 4 (weekly) synthetic backups in my library, and so yes I've never had any problem about recovering files very quickly that were/are less than one month old. However, we do also have another separate policy that duplicates the most recent synthetic copy to another set of tapes for our EOM set. And, again, I've restored from our EOM tapes (from various months/years) more than enough times to know that the process works just fine. And I do know for sure that we do not keep an initial full backup - it expires (after one month) like any other backup. Its the seed for the initial synthetic, but then its no longer required - moreover, its no longer useful (in the synthetic backup process) if you don't have differentials that date back to the creation of that 'seed' full backup. Is that clearer? Anything else that I missed? +-- |This was sent by jcr...@marketforce.com.au via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backups
I have a bit of an oddity. I'm testing Synthetic Backups. I have Day 1 Full backup. Day 2 Incremental Day 3 Synthetic-Full Day 4 Incremental (and manually expire the Day 1 Full) Day 5 Full backup runs So it appears I need to keep the Full backup around even though the Synthetic Full is suppose to be its equivalent. The Full backup runs on Day 5 even though I don't have it scheduled. In Fact Full are manual. Synthetics are scheduled. Is this normal? Running 6.5.4 Jim ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Synthetic fulls Diff Inc VS cumulative Inc
When performing a synthetic full, what should I use, a differential Incremental or a cumulative incremental?...and why? Thanks Dan Cruice Deloitte Technology Service Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Direct: +1 610-479-5179 Fax: +1 610-479-6179 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.deloitte.com This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic fulls Diff Inc VS cumulative Inc
What is your goal for Synthetic fulls? Are you running the incrementals to tape or disk? Are you running the fulls to tape or disk? Reneé Carlisle ServerWare Corporation _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cruice, Daniel (US - Glen Mills) Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:48 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic fulls Diff Inc VS cumulative Inc When performing a synthetic full, what should I use, a differential Incremental or a cumulative incremental?...and why? Thanks Dan Cruice Deloitte Technology Service Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Direct: +1 610-479-5179 Fax: +1 610-479-6179 E-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.deloitte.com This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic fulls Diff Inc VS cumulative Inc
Right now we are running Incrementals to disk and tape the same w/ the fulls. Thanks Dan From: rcarlisle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 4:19 PM To: Cruice, Daniel (US - Glen Mills); VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic fulls Diff Inc VS cumulative Inc What is your goal for Synthetic fulls? Are you running the incrementals to tape or disk? Are you running the fulls to tape or disk? Reneé Carlisle ServerWare Corporation From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cruice, Daniel (US - Glen Mills) Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:48 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic fulls Diff Inc VS cumulative Inc When performing a synthetic full, what should I use, a differential Incremental or a cumulative incremental?...and why? Thanks Dan Cruice Deloitte Technology Service Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Direct: +1 610-479-5179 Fax: +1 610-479-6179 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.deloitte.com This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic fulls Diff Inc VS cumulative Inc
My guess is that you would get a performance boost using cumulative, because NBU would only have to splice two backups. The full and the one cumulative versus the full and a week's worth of differentials. You also get the added advantage of if a tape fails you're covered (unless its your most recent.) Of course, you also get longer backup windows for the cumulative (versus diff), the same data written to tape multiple times (potential tape / disk cost issue.) Given that you are using disk, I'd say differentials is probably the way to go all around. -Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cruice, Daniel (US - Glen Mills) Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 4:23 PM To: rcarlisle; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic fulls Diff Inc VS cumulative Inc Right now we are running Incrementals to disk and tape the same w/ the fulls. Thanks Dan From: rcarlisle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 4:19 PM To: Cruice, Daniel (US - Glen Mills); VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic fulls Diff Inc VS cumulative Inc What is your goal for Synthetic fulls? Are you running the incrementals to tape or disk? Are you running the fulls to tape or disk? Reneé Carlisle ServerWare Corporation From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cruice, Daniel (US - Glen Mills) Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:48 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic fulls Diff Inc VS cumulative Inc When performing a synthetic full, what should I use, a differential Incremental or a cumulative incremental?...and why? Thanks Dan Cruice Deloitte Technology Service Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Direct: +1 610-479-5179 Fax: +1 610-479-6179 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.deloitte.com This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Synthetic Full Backups
I am curious if anyone is using the Synthetic Full Backup feature that is provided with Netbackup now. If people are using it, what issues if any have you come across with this feature and what specific workload have you applied this feature to? Also, what benefits have you seen ? Thanks! Mark Jessup - IS Manager Enterprise Storage and Content Management/Imaging Northwestern Mutual (414) 661-3968 [EMAIL PROTECTED] /prefont face=ArialThis e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information of Northwestern Mutual. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail and any attachments is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify Northwestern Mutual immediately by returning it to the sender and delete all copies from your system. Please be advised that communications received via the Northwestern Mutual Secure Message Center are secure. Communications that are not received via the Northwestern Mutual Secure Message Center may not be secure and could be observed by a third party. Thank you for your cooperation./fontpre ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic Full Backups
I'm a big fan, but I would agree that they're not for everybody. One thing that makes them faster is using disk as the target (at least) and the source (hopefully). --- W. Curtis Preston Author of O'Reilly's Backup Recovery and Using SANs and NAS VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne T Smith Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 1:25 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic Full Backups This was some time ago, but I found synthetic backups to be either irrelevant (due to restrictions on their applicability) or unusable (due to the occasional problems that seem to require new full backups) at my shop (v5.1). That, and the last thing that my shop needed were more long tape-to-tape copies, caused me to quickly try and then scrap its use. Increasing network capability and moving large data accumulations to the central site have helped my problem of long full backups. Adding backup to disk or maybe VTL is another step to smooth our operations (and be able to feed more modern tape drives). Thanks to everyone for the fine discussion of VTL in another thread! cheers, wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, in part, on 2007-05-14 3:18 PM: I am curious if anyone is using the Synthetic Full Backup feature that is provided with Netbackup now. If people are using it, what issues if any have you come across with this feature and what specific workload have you applied this feature to? Also, what benefits have you seen ? Thanks! ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backup
NBU 5.1 - MP5 HP-UX I want to use synthetic backups for a large client. The question is, Can I have the Normal full go to tape and then have the diff inc go to a dsu and have the synth full go to tape? If so, how would I set up a policy for this? Thank You, Layne Barber ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backup
Title: Message Set up 3 schedules in the policy. Full Diff Synth Full in each sched, select "override default storage unit". Point the Full and Synth Full to the regular tape STU, and theDiffto the DSU. Paul -- -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barber, Layne (Contractor)Sent: October 16, 2006 10:52 AMTo: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: [Veritas-bu] Synthetic Backup NBU 5.1 - MP5 HP-UX I want to use synthetic backups for a large client. The question is, Can I have the Normal full go to tape and then have the diff inc go to a dsu and have the synth full go to tape? If so, how would I set up a policy for this? Thank You, Layne Barber La version française suit le texte anglais. This email may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and the Bank of Canada does not waive any related rights. Any distribution, use, or copying of this email or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this email in error please delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by email that you have done so. Le présent courriel peut contenir de l'information privilégiée ou confidentielle. La Banque du Canada ne renonce pas aux droits qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le ou les destinataires désignés est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez le supprimer immédiatement et envoyer sans délai à l'expéditeur un message électronique pour l'aviser que vous avez éliminé de votre ordinateur toute copie du courriel reçu. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
