Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup.
Master is supported by Symantec for VM ... has been for a while now, I think will try to dig out the old Technote on this From: Scott Jacobson [mailto:sjaco...@novell.com] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 4:24 AM To: Scott Chapman; veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu; rusty.ma...@sungard.com Cc: WEAVER, Simon (external); Jonathan' 'Martin; 'VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. Off Topic - a VM Master NBU Server? I wasn't aware that Symantec supported a VM Master server, at least in 6.5.x they don't. Perhaps that has changed in 7.x ? -sj rusty.ma...@sungard.com 6/1/2011 2:52 PM I'll state first that we use a capacity based licensing model, so I've been out of the loop for a few years on licenses and all that (thank goodness!). The VMware backup host can be a Client, Media Server, or even a Master. All it has to have is access to the datastore(s) and configured in NetBackup as a VMware backup host. For licensing, I would assume this is, at least, a normal client or possibly an enterprise client license. Rusty Major, MCSE, BCFP, VCS ? Sr. Storage Engineer ? SunGard Availability Services ? 757 N. Eldridge Suite 200, Houston TX 77079 ? 281-584-4693 Keeping People and Information Connected(r) ? http://availability.sungard.com/ http://availability.sungard.com/ P Think before you print CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information, and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail from your system. Chapman, Scott scott.chap...@icbc.com Sent by: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 05/25/2011 11:04 AM To 'Martin, Jonathan' jmart...@intersil.com, 'WEAVER, Simon (external)' simon.wea...@astrium.eads.net, 'VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu cc Subject Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. Martin, our sales team has lead us to believe that you license per physical machine, so in the case where you say 219x$500, you actually only need 10physical x $500 = $5000. So the vStorage backup is actually more, because you now have to pay $2000 x 10 = $20,000, plus you need to license the backup host which needs to be a windows media server (can't be an ent client as it backs up hosts other than itself). Scott Chapman Senior Technical Specialist Storage and Database Administration ICBC - Victoria Ph: 250.414.7650 Cell: 250.213.9295 -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu ] On Behalf Of Martin, Jonathan Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:57 AM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. If a standard client runs $500 and an enterprise client runs $2000, then as long as you back up more than 4 virtual machines you are saving a heap of money. I'm not sure why you need the SAN Media Server, I use a standard media server that is already licensed and did not investigate using a SAN media server for this purpose. But the per-VM cost could offset this purchase easily. As a real world example, I am currently upgrading a site to NBU 7.1 with 219 VMs on 10 physical hosts. That's 219 x $500 = $109,500 versus 10 x $2,000 = $20,000 in licenses. This is all ballpark pricing, but we've completely changed all of our licenses to this model for the savings. Does this not work for you? I'm certain there are scenarios where this doesn't work but I didn't think them very common, i.e. high-powered VMs that consume 50% of the physical hosts' resources. We tend not to virtualize in these types of cases. -Jonathan -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu ] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:34 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. Hi I have used 7.0.1 with vSphere 4.1, using a SAN MEdia Server, writing to disk and tape, and it seems good! The only problems I have is the price!! Its WAYY expensive :-((( But we cant buy it !!! Symantec dont seem to be offering us good pricing :-( Simon -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu ] On Behalf Of rhugga Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 3:59 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by Veritas Netbackup. Well I know with 7.x you can now use
Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup.
Just a quick note here on business justification. It is a pretty easy sell here that we need the ability to recover a fully functional VM in less than an hour. We can't quite get this done with a traditional backup and restore methodology, but we can do it with the Enterprise Client. The other alternative is san based snapshots, which isn't cheap. So our justification looks something like: Standard Clients + 20% Snapshot Space vs. Enterprise Client Add to that the decreased backup times of your VMs, and the ability to keep images on tape longer than snapshots and this justification was fairly easy. -Jonathan -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 5:49 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. Capacity too expensive, but I wish we could :-(( -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of mitch808 Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 10:50 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by Veritas Netbackup. No no! It's an Enterprise Client based on a Tier level per physically populated socket Tier 1 =1CPU Tier 2 = 2-3 CPU Tier 3 = 4 etc. (Something like that at least...) Again, populated sockets only! Core counts make no difference. This covers UNLIMITED guests. You can carve out any number of vCPU's you want. The Enterprise client for the physical host covers it all! If they are charging for physical hosts and virtual guests, they are ripping you off and doing it wrong. Again, look into Capacity licensing, and it could be simpler for you. Especially since you use quad CPU boxes. +-- |This was sent by mnab...@gmail.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. -o- Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup.
I'll state first that we use a capacity based licensing model, so I've been out of the loop for a few years on licenses and all that (thank goodness!). The VMware backup host can be a Client, Media Server, or even a Master. All it has to have is access to the datastore(s) and configured in NetBackup as a VMware backup host. For licensing, I would assume this is, at least, a normal client or possibly an enterprise client license. Rusty Major, MCSE, BCFP, VCS ▪ Sr. Storage Engineer ▪ SunGard Availability Services ▪ 757 N. Eldridge Suite 200, Houston TX 77079 ▪ 281-584-4693 Keeping People and Information Connected® ▪ http://availability.sungard.com/ P Think before you print CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information, and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail from your system. Chapman, Scott scott.chap...@icbc.com Sent by: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 05/25/2011 11:04 AM To 'Martin, Jonathan' jmart...@intersil.com, 'WEAVER, Simon (external)' simon.wea...@astrium.eads.net, 'VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu cc Subject Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. Martin, our sales team has lead us to believe that you license per physical machine, so in the case where you say 219x$500, you actually only need 10physical x $500 = $5000. So the vStorage backup is actually more, because you now have to pay $2000 x 10 = $20,000, plus you need to license the backup host which needs to be a windows media server (can't be an ent client as it backs up hosts other than itself). Scott Chapman Senior Technical Specialist Storage and Database Administration ICBC - Victoria Ph: 250.414.7650 Cell: 250.213.9295 -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [ mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Martin, Jonathan Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:57 AM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. If a standard client runs $500 and an enterprise client runs $2000, then as long as you back up more than 4 virtual machines you are saving a heap of money. I'm not sure why you need the SAN Media Server, I use a standard media server that is already licensed and did not investigate using a SAN media server for this purpose. But the per-VM cost could offset this purchase easily. As a real world example, I am currently upgrading a site to NBU 7.1 with 219 VMs on 10 physical hosts. That's 219 x $500 = $109,500 versus 10 x $2,000 = $20,000 in licenses. This is all ballpark pricing, but we've completely changed all of our licenses to this model for the savings. Does this not work for you? I'm certain there are scenarios where this doesn't work but I didn't think them very common, i.e. high-powered VMs that consume 50% of the physical hosts' resources. We tend not to virtualize in these types of cases. -Jonathan -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:34 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. Hi I have used 7.0.1 with vSphere 4.1, using a SAN MEdia Server, writing to disk and tape, and it seems good! The only problems I have is the price!! Its WAYY expensive :-((( But we cant buy it !!! Symantec dont seem to be offering us good pricing :-( Simon -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of rhugga Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 3:59 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by Veritas Netbackup. Well I know with 7.x you can now use the vstorage API. I'm just scratching the surface on this myself and plan on moving to this method once I upgrade to 7.1. From what I have gathered so far: 1) You deploy a vmware backup host which is basically just a window machine with an enterprise client license. (I think if you have a windows media server this can be piggy-backed onto an existing media server) 2) From there the backup host communicates with the ESX servers directly and integrates with the snapshot capabilities and pulls the data directly from the ESX servers. You no longer need clients in the VM guests. (if you were going that route before) 3) This provides granular file restore for windows and linux clients. (linux as of 7.1) Still no granular file restore from solaris from what I have gathered. I've heard mixed results from people using this but overall it seems orders of magnitude better than the older VCB method
Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup.
Off Topic - a VM Master NBU Server? I wasn't aware that Symantec supported a VM Master server, at least in 6.5.x they don't. Perhaps that has changed in 7.x ? -sj rusty.ma...@sungard.com 6/1/2011 2:52 PM I'll state first that we use a capacity based licensing model, so I've been out of the loop for a few years on licenses and all that (thank goodness!). The VMware backup host can be a Client, Media Server, or even a Master. All it has to have is access to the datastore(s) and configured in NetBackup as a VMware backup host. For licensing, I would assume this is, at least, a normal client or possibly an enterprise client license. Rusty Major, MCSE, BCFP, VCS * Sr. Storage Engineer * SunGard Availability Services * 757 N. Eldridge Suite 200, Houston TX 77079 * 281-584-4693 Keeping People and Information Connected* * http://availability.sungard.com/ PThink before you print CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information, and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail from your system. Chapman, Scott scott.chap...@icbc.com Sent by: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 05/25/2011 11:04 AM To 'Martin, Jonathan' jmart...@intersil.com, 'WEAVER, Simon (external)' simon.wea...@astrium.eads.net, 'VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu cc Subject Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. Martin, our sales team has lead us to believe that you license per physical machine, so in the case where you say 219x$500, you actually only need 10physical x $500 = $5000. So the vStorage backup is actually more, because you now have to pay $2000 x 10 = $20,000, plus you need to license the backup host which needs to be a windows media server (can't be an ent client as it backs up hosts other than itself). Scott Chapman Senior Technical Specialist Storage and Database Administration ICBC - Victoria Ph: 250.414.7650 Cell: 250.213.9295 -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Martin, Jonathan Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:57 AM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. If a standard client runs $500 and an enterprise client runs $2000, then as long as you back up more than 4 virtual machines you are saving a heap of money. I'm not sure why you need the SAN Media Server, I use a standard media server that is already licensed and did not investigate using a SAN media server for this purpose. But the per-VM cost could offset this purchase easily. As a real world example, I am currently upgrading a site to NBU 7.1 with 219 VMs on 10 physical hosts. That's 219 x $500 = $109,500 versus 10 x $2,000 = $20,000 in licenses. This is all ballpark pricing, but we've completely changed all of our licenses to this model for the savings. Does this not work for you? I'm certain there are scenarios where this doesn't work but I didn't think them very common, i.e. high-powered VMs that consume 50% of the physical hosts' resources. We tend not to virtualize in these types of cases. -Jonathan -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:34 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. Hi I have used 7.0.1 with vSphere 4.1, using a SAN MEdia Server, writing to disk and tape, and it seems good! The only problems I have is the price!! Its WAYY expensive :-((( But we cant buy it !!! Symantec dont seem to be offering us good pricing :-( Simon -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of rhugga Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 3:59 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by Veritas Netbackup. Well I know with 7.x you can now use the vstorage API. I'm just scratching the surface on this myself and plan on moving to this method once I upgrade to 7.1. From what I have gathered so far: 1) You deploy a vmware backup host which is basically just a window machine with an enterprise client license. (I think if you have a windows media server this can be piggy-backed onto an existing media server) 2) From there the backup host communicates with the ESX servers directly and integrates with the snapshot capabilities and pulls the data directly from the ESX servers. You no longer need clients in the VM guests. (if you were going that route before) 3) This provides granular file restore for windows and linux clients
Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup.
Virtual master server The NetBackup master server is supported within a virtual machine, under the limitations described in the General guidelines for support. Refer to the following NetBackup Operating System compatibility document for a list of supported NetBackup 7.x master server platforms: http://www.symantec.com/business/support/index?page=contentid=TECH12708 9 If you have the infrastructure in place to easily replicate your .vmdk files to DR this could greatly simplify disaster recovery by giving you a fully functional master without the hassle of catalog recovery. -Jonathan From: Scott Jacobson [mailto:sjaco...@novell.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:24 PM To: Scott Chapman; veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu; rusty.ma...@sungard.com Cc: Simon (external)' 'WEAVER; Martin, Jonathan; 'VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. Off Topic - a VM Master NBU Server? I wasn't aware that Symantec supported a VM Master server, at least in 6.5.x they don't. Perhaps that has changed in 7.x ? -sj rusty.ma...@sungard.com 6/1/2011 2:52 PM I'll state first that we use a capacity based licensing model, so I've been out of the loop for a few years on licenses and all that (thank goodness!). The VMware backup host can be a Client, Media Server, or even a Master. All it has to have is access to the datastore(s) and configured in NetBackup as a VMware backup host. For licensing, I would assume this is, at least, a normal client or possibly an enterprise client license. Rusty Major, MCSE, BCFP, VCS ? Sr. Storage Engineer ? SunGard Availability Services ? 757 N. Eldridge Suite 200, Houston TX 77079 ? 281-584-4693 Keeping People and Information Connected(r) ? http://availability.sungard.com/ http://availability.sungard.com/ P Think before you print CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information, and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail from your system. Chapman, Scott scott.chap...@icbc.com Sent by: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 05/25/2011 11:04 AM To 'Martin, Jonathan' jmart...@intersil.com, 'WEAVER, Simon (external)' simon.wea...@astrium.eads.net, 'VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu cc Subject Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. Martin, our sales team has lead us to believe that you license per physical machine, so in the case where you say 219x$500, you actually only need 10physical x $500 = $5000. So the vStorage backup is actually more, because you now have to pay $2000 x 10 = $20,000, plus you need to license the backup host which needs to be a windows media server (can't be an ent client as it backs up hosts other than itself). Scott Chapman Senior Technical Specialist Storage and Database Administration ICBC - Victoria Ph: 250.414.7650 Cell: 250.213.9295 -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu ] On Behalf Of Martin, Jonathan Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:57 AM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. If a standard client runs $500 and an enterprise client runs $2000, then as long as you back up more than 4 virtual machines you are saving a heap of money. I'm not sure why you need the SAN Media Server, I use a standard media server that is already licensed and did not investigate using a SAN media server for this purpose. But the per-VM cost could offset this purchase easily. As a real world example, I am currently upgrading a site to NBU 7.1 with 219 VMs on 10 physical hosts. That's 219 x $500 = $109,500 versus 10 x $2,000 = $20,000 in licenses. This is all ballpark pricing, but we've completely changed all of our licenses to this model for the savings. Does this not work for you? I'm certain there are scenarios where this doesn't work but I didn't think them very common, i.e. high-powered VMs that consume 50% of the physical hosts' resources. We tend not to virtualize in these types of cases. -Jonathan -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu ] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:34 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. Hi I have used 7.0.1 with vSphere 4.1, using a SAN MEdia Server, writing to disk and tape, and it seems good! The only problems I have is the price!! Its WAYY expensive :-((( But we cant
Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup.
I think you do mate. I think you do . -Original Message- From: Martin, Jonathan [mailto:jmart...@intersil.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 7:17 PM To: Chapman, Scott; WEAVER, Simon (external); VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. Thanks for the info. My sales team is coming in tomorrow, and apparently we need to have a little chat. =P -Jonathan -Original Message- From: Chapman, Scott [mailto:scott.chap...@icbc.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:04 PM To: Martin, Jonathan; 'WEAVER, Simon (external)'; 'VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. Martin, our sales team has lead us to believe that you license per physical machine, so in the case where you say 219x$500, you actually only need 10physical x $500 = $5000. So the vStorage backup is actually more, because you now have to pay $2000 x 10 = $20,000, plus you need to license the backup host which needs to be a windows media server (can't be an ent client as it backs up hosts other than itself). Scott Chapman Senior Technical Specialist Storage and Database Administration ICBC - Victoria Ph: 250.414.7650 Cell: 250.213.9295 -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Martin, Jonathan Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:57 AM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. If a standard client runs $500 and an enterprise client runs $2000, then as long as you back up more than 4 virtual machines you are saving a heap of money. I'm not sure why you need the SAN Media Server, I use a standard media server that is already licensed and did not investigate using a SAN media server for this purpose. But the per-VM cost could offset this purchase easily. As a real world example, I am currently upgrading a site to NBU 7.1 with 219 VMs on 10 physical hosts. That's 219 x $500 = $109,500 versus 10 x $2,000 = $20,000 in licenses. This is all ballpark pricing, but we've completely changed all of our licenses to this model for the savings. Does this not work for you? I'm certain there are scenarios where this doesn't work but I didn't think them very common, i.e. high-powered VMs that consume 50% of the physical hosts' resources. We tend not to virtualize in these types of cases. -Jonathan -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:34 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. Hi I have used 7.0.1 with vSphere 4.1, using a SAN MEdia Server, writing to disk and tape, and it seems good! The only problems I have is the price!! Its WAYY expensive :-((( But we cant buy it !!! Symantec dont seem to be offering us good pricing :-( Simon -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of rhugga Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 3:59 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by Veritas Netbackup. Well I know with 7.x you can now use the vstorage API. I'm just scratching the surface on this myself and plan on moving to this method once I upgrade to 7.1. From what I have gathered so far: 1) You deploy a vmware backup host which is basically just a window machine with an enterprise client license. (I think if you have a windows media server this can be piggy-backed onto an existing media server) 2) From there the backup host communicates with the ESX servers directly and integrates with the snapshot capabilities and pulls the data directly from the ESX servers. You no longer need clients in the VM guests. (if you were going that route before) 3) This provides granular file restore for windows and linux clients. (linux as of 7.1) Still no granular file restore from solaris from what I have gathered. I've heard mixed results from people using this but overall it seems orders of magnitude better than the older VCB method. If your ESX datastores are on SAN there are some even better methods of backing of your vmware environments. Unfortunately we are on NAS at my current shop. +-- |This was sent by chuck.car...@gmail.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain
Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup.
If a standard client runs $500 and an enterprise client runs $2000, then as long as you back up more than 4 virtual machines you are saving a heap of money. I'm not sure why you need the SAN Media Server, I use a standard media server that is already licensed and did not investigate using a SAN media server for this purpose. But the per-VM cost could offset this purchase easily. As a real world example, I am currently upgrading a site to NBU 7.1 with 219 VMs on 10 physical hosts. That's 219 x $500 = $109,500 versus 10 x $2,000 = $20,000 in licenses. This is all ballpark pricing, but we've completely changed all of our licenses to this model for the savings. Does this not work for you? I'm certain there are scenarios where this doesn't work but I didn't think them very common, i.e. high-powered VMs that consume 50% of the physical hosts' resources. We tend not to virtualize in these types of cases. -Jonathan -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:34 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. Hi I have used 7.0.1 with vSphere 4.1, using a SAN MEdia Server, writing to disk and tape, and it seems good! The only problems I have is the price!! Its WAYY expensive :-((( But we cant buy it !!! Symantec dont seem to be offering us good pricing :-( Simon -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of rhugga Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 3:59 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by Veritas Netbackup. Well I know with 7.x you can now use the vstorage API. I'm just scratching the surface on this myself and plan on moving to this method once I upgrade to 7.1. From what I have gathered so far: 1) You deploy a vmware backup host which is basically just a window machine with an enterprise client license. (I think if you have a windows media server this can be piggy-backed onto an existing media server) 2) From there the backup host communicates with the ESX servers directly and integrates with the snapshot capabilities and pulls the data directly from the ESX servers. You no longer need clients in the VM guests. (if you were going that route before) 3) This provides granular file restore for windows and linux clients. (linux as of 7.1) Still no granular file restore from solaris from what I have gathered. I've heard mixed results from people using this but overall it seems orders of magnitude better than the older VCB method. If your ESX datastores are on SAN there are some even better methods of backing of your vmware environments. Unfortunately we are on NAS at my current shop. +-- |This was sent by chuck.car...@gmail.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. -o- Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup.
Martin, our sales team has lead us to believe that you license per physical machine, so in the case where you say 219x$500, you actually only need 10physical x $500 = $5000. So the vStorage backup is actually more, because you now have to pay $2000 x 10 = $20,000, plus you need to license the backup host which needs to be a windows media server (can't be an ent client as it backs up hosts other than itself). Scott Chapman Senior Technical Specialist Storage and Database Administration ICBC - Victoria Ph: 250.414.7650 Cell: 250.213.9295 -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Martin, Jonathan Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:57 AM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. If a standard client runs $500 and an enterprise client runs $2000, then as long as you back up more than 4 virtual machines you are saving a heap of money. I'm not sure why you need the SAN Media Server, I use a standard media server that is already licensed and did not investigate using a SAN media server for this purpose. But the per-VM cost could offset this purchase easily. As a real world example, I am currently upgrading a site to NBU 7.1 with 219 VMs on 10 physical hosts. That's 219 x $500 = $109,500 versus 10 x $2,000 = $20,000 in licenses. This is all ballpark pricing, but we've completely changed all of our licenses to this model for the savings. Does this not work for you? I'm certain there are scenarios where this doesn't work but I didn't think them very common, i.e. high-powered VMs that consume 50% of the physical hosts' resources. We tend not to virtualize in these types of cases. -Jonathan -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:34 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. Hi I have used 7.0.1 with vSphere 4.1, using a SAN MEdia Server, writing to disk and tape, and it seems good! The only problems I have is the price!! Its WAYY expensive :-((( But we cant buy it !!! Symantec dont seem to be offering us good pricing :-( Simon -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of rhugga Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 3:59 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by Veritas Netbackup. Well I know with 7.x you can now use the vstorage API. I'm just scratching the surface on this myself and plan on moving to this method once I upgrade to 7.1. From what I have gathered so far: 1) You deploy a vmware backup host which is basically just a window machine with an enterprise client license. (I think if you have a windows media server this can be piggy-backed onto an existing media server) 2) From there the backup host communicates with the ESX servers directly and integrates with the snapshot capabilities and pulls the data directly from the ESX servers. You no longer need clients in the VM guests. (if you were going that route before) 3) This provides granular file restore for windows and linux clients. (linux as of 7.1) Still no granular file restore from solaris from what I have gathered. I've heard mixed results from people using this but overall it seems orders of magnitude better than the older VCB method. If your ESX datastores are on SAN there are some even better methods of backing of your vmware environments. Unfortunately we are on NAS at my current shop. +-- |This was sent by chuck.car...@gmail.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. -o- Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http
Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup.
This is mostly correct. Every year on our maintenance renewal we would have the same discussion with Symantec as there was always some internal confusion on licensing. Essentially the rule is you are required to have 1 license per OS type per physical machine. So if you had a single ESX host with 10 Windows and 10 Linux guests, you would need to purchase 2 licenses. This excludes any agent type backup licenses of course. Chris Alley, MCSE Sr. Data Protection Administrator Kforce Technology Services www.kforce.com Great People = Great Results® Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original. -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Chapman, Scott Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:04 PM To: 'Martin, Jonathan'; 'WEAVER, Simon (external)'; 'VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. Martin, our sales team has lead us to believe that you license per physical machine, so in the case where you say 219x$500, you actually only need 10physical x $500 = $5000. So the vStorage backup is actually more, because you now have to pay $2000 x 10 = $20,000, plus you need to license the backup host which needs to be a windows media server (can't be an ent client as it backs up hosts other than itself). Scott Chapman Senior Technical Specialist Storage and Database Administration ICBC - Victoria Ph: 250.414.7650 Cell: 250.213.9295 -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Martin, Jonathan Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:57 AM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. If a standard client runs $500 and an enterprise client runs $2000, then as long as you back up more than 4 virtual machines you are saving a heap of money. I'm not sure why you need the SAN Media Server, I use a standard media server that is already licensed and did not investigate using a SAN media server for this purpose. But the per-VM cost could offset this purchase easily. As a real world example, I am currently upgrading a site to NBU 7.1 with 219 VMs on 10 physical hosts. That's 219 x $500 = $109,500 versus 10 x $2,000 = $20,000 in licenses. This is all ballpark pricing, but we've completely changed all of our licenses to this model for the savings. Does this not work for you? I'm certain there are scenarios where this doesn't work but I didn't think them very common, i.e. high-powered VMs that consume 50% of the physical hosts' resources. We tend not to virtualize in these types of cases. -Jonathan -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:34 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. Hi I have used 7.0.1 with vSphere 4.1, using a SAN MEdia Server, writing to disk and tape, and it seems good! The only problems I have is the price!! Its WAYY expensive :-((( But we cant buy it !!! Symantec dont seem to be offering us good pricing :-( Simon -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of rhugga Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 3:59 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by Veritas Netbackup. Well I know with 7.x you can now use the vstorage API. I'm just scratching the surface on this myself and plan on moving to this method once I upgrade to 7.1. From what I have gathered so far: 1) You deploy a vmware backup host which is basically just a window machine with an enterprise client license. (I think if you have a windows media server this can be piggy-backed onto an existing media server) 2) From there the backup host communicates with the ESX servers directly and integrates with the snapshot capabilities and pulls the data directly from the ESX servers. You no longer need clients in the VM guests. (if you were going that route before) 3) This provides granular file restore for windows and linux clients. (linux as of 7.1) Still no granular file restore from solaris from what I have gathered. I've heard mixed results from people using this but overall it seems orders of magnitude better than the older
Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup.
Thanks for the info. My sales team is coming in tomorrow, and apparently we need to have a little chat. =P -Jonathan -Original Message- From: Chapman, Scott [mailto:scott.chap...@icbc.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:04 PM To: Martin, Jonathan; 'WEAVER, Simon (external)'; 'VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. Martin, our sales team has lead us to believe that you license per physical machine, so in the case where you say 219x$500, you actually only need 10physical x $500 = $5000. So the vStorage backup is actually more, because you now have to pay $2000 x 10 = $20,000, plus you need to license the backup host which needs to be a windows media server (can't be an ent client as it backs up hosts other than itself). Scott Chapman Senior Technical Specialist Storage and Database Administration ICBC - Victoria Ph: 250.414.7650 Cell: 250.213.9295 -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Martin, Jonathan Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:57 AM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. If a standard client runs $500 and an enterprise client runs $2000, then as long as you back up more than 4 virtual machines you are saving a heap of money. I'm not sure why you need the SAN Media Server, I use a standard media server that is already licensed and did not investigate using a SAN media server for this purpose. But the per-VM cost could offset this purchase easily. As a real world example, I am currently upgrading a site to NBU 7.1 with 219 VMs on 10 physical hosts. That's 219 x $500 = $109,500 versus 10 x $2,000 = $20,000 in licenses. This is all ballpark pricing, but we've completely changed all of our licenses to this model for the savings. Does this not work for you? I'm certain there are scenarios where this doesn't work but I didn't think them very common, i.e. high-powered VMs that consume 50% of the physical hosts' resources. We tend not to virtualize in these types of cases. -Jonathan -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:34 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. Hi I have used 7.0.1 with vSphere 4.1, using a SAN MEdia Server, writing to disk and tape, and it seems good! The only problems I have is the price!! Its WAYY expensive :-((( But we cant buy it !!! Symantec dont seem to be offering us good pricing :-( Simon -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of rhugga Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 3:59 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by Veritas Netbackup. Well I know with 7.x you can now use the vstorage API. I'm just scratching the surface on this myself and plan on moving to this method once I upgrade to 7.1. From what I have gathered so far: 1) You deploy a vmware backup host which is basically just a window machine with an enterprise client license. (I think if you have a windows media server this can be piggy-backed onto an existing media server) 2) From there the backup host communicates with the ESX servers directly and integrates with the snapshot capabilities and pulls the data directly from the ESX servers. You no longer need clients in the VM guests. (if you were going that route before) 3) This provides granular file restore for windows and linux clients. (linux as of 7.1) Still no granular file restore from solaris from what I have gathered. I've heard mixed results from people using this but overall it seems orders of magnitude better than the older VCB method. If your ESX datastores are on SAN there are some even better methods of backing of your vmware environments. Unfortunately we are on NAS at my current shop. +-- |This was sent by chuck.car...@gmail.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments
