Re: p.s.: Re: [VFB] QFTD, Why I tie... and new RD DVD#2 option?

[Gary Webb]

I think the You Tube videos is a great idea.
A very satisfied owner of DVD # 1.  And if you finish DVD # 2  I will buy
it too.   A very small contribution to you retirement.

Gary L Webb

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 8:41 AM, Don Ordes  wrote:

> Fly tying can be a couple of nights a month to stock up on depleted
> favorite patterns, or a full-blown multi-faceted hobby, hobby-business,
> part-time business, or retirement business.
>
> If you include the satellite activities *besides *fishing, which include
> getting together with other tiers, attending fly shows (or tying at them),
> researching, publishing books or videos, mentoring, and of course vfb-ing,
> there's a lot to keep it diverse and interesting. When it gets boring, just
> add a new venue to the tying and challenge yourself to kick it up a notch.
> Or plan a new trip for different fish, and tie the flies needed for that.
> It should never ever get boring, especially if you include a sense of humor
> or art to the process.
>
> On materials, my challenge after this last move and re-organization is
> just finding what I need amongst the myriad of materials I've collected.
> But I have a plan for next year for retardment. My 'retirement' will really
> just mean swapping focus from the oil & gas business to Fantasy Flies and
> videos. I intend to get a shop and turn it into a fly-base of operations.
>
> Ahh, the *video*.  Rope-dub DVD#2.  Thinking of an alternate plan- put it
> out *for comments*.
>
> Instead of a long DVD which is taking forever to film and produce (*if* I
> can get any time), how about a You-tube channel with *themed* short
> videos uploaded regularly- not only on rope-dubbing (will go on forever),
> but on mice (deerhair), flex-o, McFlyfoam, #32's, salt-flies, streamers,
> etc.?
>
> Big difference is it would be *free* to all, which is how I handled it in
> the first place with Byard, putting the RD videos on his site for anyone to
> see (pretty crude at the time).  My pay would be with visits & subscribers-
> from Y-T. Then also I’d still be selling the giant Fantasy Flies, framed
> streamers, mice, etc. Hopefully make for a busy yet pleasant retirement.
>
> This way I could somewhat follow the comments in adjusting what I tie or
> show next and just let it evolve. Of course, there will be my sense of
> humor worked in throughout all of the videos to keep it from being all
> ‘dry’.
>
> And since I’m slowing way down in attending fly shows (travelling less and
> less), I’ll make a ‘Baits Hotel’ video just for giggles and grins (and to
> survive me).
>
> Comments? (Especially from those who have DVD #1.)
>
> DonO
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Allan Fish
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:37 PM
> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> Subject: p.s.: Re: [VFB] QFTD
>
> p.s.:
> I also like to be around other fly tyers.  You get to meet so many neat
> people.
>
> And the occasional scalawag like me.
>
> Allan
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Re: p.s.: Re: [VFB] QFTD, Why I tie... and new RD DVD#2 option?

['Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail]

Go for it.
Tony

On Wed, 6/15/16, Don Ordes  wrote:

 Subject: Re: p.s.: Re: [VFB] QFTD, Why I tie... and new RD DVD#2 option?
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2016, 8:41 AM
 
 
 
 
 Fly tying can be a couple of nights a month to stock up
 on depleted 
 favorite patterns, or a full-blown multi-faceted hobby,
 hobby-business, 
 part-time business, or retirement business. 
  
 If you include the satellite activities besides
 fishing, which 
 include getting together with other tiers, attending fly
 shows (or tying at 
 them), researching, publishing books or videos, mentoring,
 and of course 
 vfb-ing, there's a lot to keep it diverse and
 interesting. When it gets boring, 
 just add a new venue to the tying and challenge yourself to
 kick it up a 
 notch.  Or plan a new trip for different fish, and tie the
 flies needed for 
 that.  It should never ever get boring, especially if you
 include a sense 
 of humor or art to the process.
  
 On materials, my challenge after this last move and
 re-organization is just 
 finding what I need amongst the myriad of materials I've
 collected. But I have a 
 plan for next year for retardment. My 'retirement'
 will really just mean 
 swapping focus from the oil & gas business to Fantasy
 Flies and videos. I 
 intend to get a shop and turn it into a fly-base of
 operations.
  
 Ahh, the video.  Rope-dub DVD#2.  Thinking
 of an 
 alternate plan- put it out for
 comments.
  
 Instead of a long DVD which is taking forever to film
 and produce 
 (if I can get any time), how about a You-tube
 channel with 
 themed short videos uploaded regularly- not only on
 rope-dubbing (will 
 go on forever), but on mice (deerhair), flex-o, McFlyfoam,
 #32's, salt-flies, 
 streamers, etc.? 
  
 Big difference is it would be free to all,
 which is how I handled 
 it in the first place with Byard, putting the RD videos on
 his site for anyone 
 to see (pretty crude at the time).  My pay would be with
 visits & 
 subscribers- from Y-T. Then also I’d still be selling the
 giant Fantasy Flies, 
 framed streamers, mice, etc. Hopefully make for a busy yet
 pleasant 
 retirement.
  
 This way I could somewhat follow the comments in
 adjusting what I tie or 
 show next and just let it evolve. Of course, there will be
 my sense of humor 
 worked in throughout all of the videos to keep it from being
 all ‘dry’.
  
 And since I’m slowing way down in attending fly shows
 (travelling less and 
 less), I’ll make a ‘Baits Hotel’ video just for
 giggles and grins (and to 
 survive me).
  
 Comments? (Especially from those who have DVD
 #1.)
  
 DonO
  
  
  
 -Original Message-
 
 From: Allan Fish 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:37 PM 
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: p.s.: Re: [VFB] QFTD 
  
 p.s.:
 I also like to be around other fly tyers.  You get to
 meet so many 
 neat 
 people.
  
 And the occasional scalawag like me.
  
 Allan
  
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Re: p.s.: Re: [VFB] QFTD, Why I tie... and new RD DVD#2 option?

[Allan Fish]

Don,

I remember one dark and stormy March night* in 2007 - the year that both 
you and Nick Runarsson came to the Sowbug.  We stayed at the Ramada Inn 
in Mtn. Home.  You dropped into our room and gave me a 3-minute lesson 
in rope dubbing.   I've rope-dubbed ever since!


I liked your first DVD very much and still refer to it on occasion.  Put 
me down for DVD#2 when (and if) you get a round tuit.I don't 
blame you for dreading the effort it takes to do a good job.  Your 
YouTube idea is great, but I fear it will only get you notoriety, not 
dollars.  


I'm looking forward to seeing what fantastic concoctions you can add to 
your Fantasy Flies offerings when you get back to doing that more full-time.


Don, anticipate your retirement eagerly.  It's the greatest thing 
since...(pick your own pleasures!).


Al

*p.s.:  I don't remember if it was a dark and stormy night or not.  But  
much later that evening, after you left, a party got started in the room 
over ours.  About one a.m. it was still going strong and I heard noises 
outside our door.  I looked out the window to see a young man trying 
(unsuccessfully)  to climb the decorative railing to get into the window 
above us.  About 15 minutes later as I was getting ready to call the 
front desk and complain, I heard a pounding on a door upstairs.  Very 
shortly afterwards, everything above us got quiet and stayed quiet.


The next morning as I groggily stumbled toward the restaurant for 
breakfast, I told the desk clerk I was glad they got the noise stopped 
and hoped the occupants had been kicked out  He said, "Oh no. they're 
still there."  I said, "They are?"  He replied, "Well, at least all 
their belongings are still there and we're still charging them for the 
room and adding on damage charges.  They were all underage drinkers and 
haven't been released from the Mountain Home jail yet."


Thanks for reminding me.
af



On 6/15/16 9:41 AM, Don Ordes wrote:
Fly tying can be a couple of nights a month to stock up on depleted 
favorite patterns, or a full-blown multi-faceted hobby, 
hobby-business, part-time business, or retirement business.
If you include the satellite activities /besides /fishing, which 
include getting together with other tiers, attending fly shows (or 
tying at them), researching, publishing books or videos, mentoring, 
and of course vfb-ing, there's a lot to keep it diverse and 
interesting. When it gets boring, just add a new venue to the tying 
and challenge yourself to kick it up a notch.  Or plan a new trip for 
different fish, and tie the flies needed for that.  It should never 
ever get boring, especially if you include a sense of humor or art to 
the process.
On materials, my challenge after this last move and re-organization is 
just finding what I need amongst the myriad of materials I've 
collected. But I have a plan for next year for retardment. My 
'retirement' will really just mean swapping focus from the oil & gas 
business to Fantasy Flies and videos. I intend to get a shop and turn 
it into a fly-base of operations.
Ahh, the /video/.  Rope-dub DVD#2.  Thinking of an alternate plan- put 
it out *for comments*.
Instead of a long DVD which is taking forever to film and produce 
(/if/ I can get any time), how about a You-tube channel with /themed/ 
short videos uploaded regularly- not only on rope-dubbing (will go on 
forever), but on mice (deerhair), flex-o, McFlyfoam, #32's, 
salt-flies, streamers, etc.?
Big difference is it would be /free/ to all, which is how I handled it 
in the first place with Byard, putting the RD videos on his site for 
anyone to see (pretty crude at the time).  My pay would be with visits 
& subscribers- from Y-T. Then also I’d still be selling the giant 
Fantasy Flies, framed streamers, mice, etc. Hopefully make for a busy 
yet pleasant retirement.
This way I could somewhat follow the comments in adjusting what I tie 
or show next and just let it evolve. Of course, there will be my sense 
of humor worked in throughout all of the videos to keep it from being 
all ‘dry’.
And since I’m slowing way down in attending fly shows (travelling less 
and less), I’ll make a ‘Baits Hotel’ video just for giggles and grins 
(and to survive me).

Comments? (Especially from those who have DVD #1.)
DonO
-Original Message-
From: Allan Fish
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:37 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: p.s.: Re: [VFB] QFTD
p.s.:
I also like to be around other fly tyers.  You get to meet so many neat
people.
And the occasional scalawag like me.
Allan
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Re: p.s.: Re: [VFB] QFTD, Why I tie... and new RD DVD#2 option?

['Rick Zieger' via VFB Mail]

I would enjoy seeing either of the ways you do it.  You would probably gt more 
attention on You Tube.
Rick

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{}#yiv4076971520 I enjoyed the first DVD, & have referenced it more than once. 
My now primary method is dubbing your way w/ mono. The idea of making tying 
more interactive is more than intriguing, & having individual techniques or 
flies on YouTube or some other accessible website w/ commentary would certainly 
facilitate that. I’m in regardless of how you decide to proceed.  J  From: 
vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don 
Ordes
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:41 AM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: p.s.: Re: [VFB] QFTD, Why I tie... and new RD DVD#2 option?  Fly 
tying can be a couple of nights a month to stock up on depleted favorite 
patterns, or a full-blown multi-faceted hobby, hobby-business, part-time 
business, or retirement business.  If you include the satellite activities 
besides fishing, which include getting together with other tiers, attending fly 
shows (or tying at them), researching, publishing books or videos, mentoring, 
and of course vfb-ing, there's a lot to keep it diverse and interesting. When 
it gets boring, just add a new venue to the tying and challenge yourself to 
kick it up a notch.  Or plan a new trip for different fish, and tie the flies 
needed for that.  It should never ever get boring, especially if you include a 
sense of humor or art to the process. On materials, my challenge after this 
last move and re-organization is just finding what I need amongst the myriad of 
materials I've collected. But I have a plan for next year for retardment. My 
'retirement' will really just mean swapping focus from the oil & gas business 
to Fantasy Flies and videos. I intend to get a shop and turn it into a fly-base 
of operations. Ahh, the video.  Rope-dub DVD#2.  Thinking of an alternate plan- 
put it out for comments. Instead of a long DVD which is taking forever to film 
and produce (if I can get any time), how about a You-tube channel with themed 
short videos uploaded regularly- not only on rope-dubbing (will go on forever), 
but on mice (deerhair), flex-o, McFlyfoam, #32's, salt-flies, streamers, etc.?  
Big difference is it would be free to all, which is how I handled it in the 
first place with Byard, putting the RD videos on his site for anyone to see 
(pretty crude at the time).  My pay would be with visits & subscribers- from 
Y-T. Then also I’d still be selling the giant Fantasy Flies, framed streamers, 
mice, etc. Hopefully make for a busy yet pleasant retirement. This way I could 
somewhat follow the comments in adjusting what I tie or show next and just let 
it evolve. Of course, there will be my sense of humor worked in throughout all 
of the videos to keep it from being all ‘dry’. And since I’m slowing way down 
in attending fly shows (travelling less and less), I’ll make a ‘Baits Hotel’ 
video just for giggles and grins (and to survive me). Comments? (Especially 
from those who have DVD #1.) DonO  -Original Message- From: Allan Fish 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:37 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: 
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RE: p.s.: Re: [VFB] QFTD, Why I tie... and new RD DVD#2 option?

[J Balmer]

I enjoyed the first DVD, & have referenced it more than once. My now primary 
method is dubbing your way w/ mono. 

The idea of making tying more interactive is more than intriguing, & having 
individual techniques or flies on YouTube or some other accessible website w/ 
commentary would certainly facilitate that. I’m in regardless of how you decide 
to proceed.

 

J

 

From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Don Ordes
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:41 AM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: p.s.: Re: [VFB] QFTD, Why I tie... and new RD DVD#2 option?

 

Fly tying can be a couple of nights a month to stock up on depleted favorite 
patterns, or a full-blown multi-faceted hobby, hobby-business, part-time 
business, or retirement business. 

 

If you include the satellite activities besides fishing, which include getting 
together with other tiers, attending fly shows (or tying at them), researching, 
publishing books or videos, mentoring, and of course vfb-ing, there's a lot to 
keep it diverse and interesting. When it gets boring, just add a new venue to 
the tying and challenge yourself to kick it up a notch.  Or plan a new trip for 
different fish, and tie the flies needed for that.  It should never ever get 
boring, especially if you include a sense of humor or art to the process.

 

On materials, my challenge after this last move and re-organization is just 
finding what I need amongst the myriad of materials I've collected. But I have 
a plan for next year for retardment. My 'retirement' will really just mean 
swapping focus from the oil & gas business to Fantasy Flies and videos. I 
intend to get a shop and turn it into a fly-base of operations.

 

Ahh, the video.  Rope-dub DVD#2.  Thinking of an alternate plan- put it out for 
comments.

 

Instead of a long DVD which is taking forever to film and produce (if I can get 
any time), how about a You-tube channel with themed short videos uploaded 
regularly- not only on rope-dubbing (will go on forever), but on mice 
(deerhair), flex-o, McFlyfoam, #32's, salt-flies, streamers, etc.? 

 

Big difference is it would be free to all, which is how I handled it in the 
first place with Byard, putting the RD videos on his site for anyone to see 
(pretty crude at the time).  My pay would be with visits & subscribers- from 
Y-T. Then also I’d still be selling the giant Fantasy Flies, framed streamers, 
mice, etc. Hopefully make for a busy yet pleasant retirement.

 

This way I could somewhat follow the comments in adjusting what I tie or show 
next and just let it evolve. Of course, there will be my sense of humor worked 
in throughout all of the videos to keep it from being all ‘dry’.

 

And since I’m slowing way down in attending fly shows (travelling less and 
less), I’ll make a ‘Baits Hotel’ video just for giggles and grins (and to 
survive me).

 

Comments? (Especially from those who have DVD #1.)

 

DonO

 

 

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From: Allan Fish 

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:37 PM 

To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com   

Subject: p.s.: Re: [VFB] QFTD 

 

p.s.:

I also like to be around other fly tyers.  You get to meet so many neat 

people.

 

And the occasional scalawag like me.

 

Allan

 

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Re: p.s.: Re: [VFB] QFTD, Why I tie... and new RD DVD#2 option?

[Don Ordes]

Fly tying can be a couple of nights a month to stock up on depleted favorite 
patterns, or a full-blown multi-faceted hobby, hobby-business, part-time 
business, or retirement business. 

If you include the satellite activities besides fishing, which include getting 
together with other tiers, attending fly shows (or tying at them), researching, 
publishing books or videos, mentoring, and of course vfb-ing, there's a lot to 
keep it diverse and interesting. When it gets boring, just add a new venue to 
the tying and challenge yourself to kick it up a notch.  Or plan a new trip for 
different fish, and tie the flies needed for that.  It should never ever get 
boring, especially if you include a sense of humor or art to the process.

On materials, my challenge after this last move and re-organization is just 
finding what I need amongst the myriad of materials I've collected. But I have 
a plan for next year for retardment. My 'retirement' will really just mean 
swapping focus from the oil & gas business to Fantasy Flies and videos. I 
intend to get a shop and turn it into a fly-base of operations.

Ahh, the video.  Rope-dub DVD#2.  Thinking of an alternate plan- put it out for 
comments.

Instead of a long DVD which is taking forever to film and produce (if I can get 
any time), how about a You-tube channel with themed short videos uploaded 
regularly- not only on rope-dubbing (will go on forever), but on mice 
(deerhair), flex-o, McFlyfoam, #32's, salt-flies, streamers, etc.? 

Big difference is it would be free to all, which is how I handled it in the 
first place with Byard, putting the RD videos on his site for anyone to see 
(pretty crude at the time).  My pay would be with visits & subscribers- from 
Y-T. Then also I’d still be selling the giant Fantasy Flies, framed streamers, 
mice, etc. Hopefully make for a busy yet pleasant retirement.

This way I could somewhat follow the comments in adjusting what I tie or show 
next and just let it evolve. Of course, there will be my sense of humor worked 
in throughout all of the videos to keep it from being all ‘dry’.

And since I’m slowing way down in attending fly shows (travelling less and 
less), I’ll make a ‘Baits Hotel’ video just for giggles and grins (and to 
survive me).

Comments? (Especially from those who have DVD #1.)

DonO

 

-Original Message- 
From: Allan Fish 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:37 PM 
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: p.s.: Re: [VFB] QFTD 

p.s.:
I also like to be around other fly tyers.  You get to meet so many neat 
people.

And the occasional scalawag like me.

Allan

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