Re: [VFB] Problem with tying this critter
On 5/10/2010 6:08 PM, Don Ordes wrote: I like that article- nice grubs, but for me they are too hard to the 'feel'. I have some grubs that consist of vinyl wrapped loosely over a body of soft chennille, using vinyl cement as I go to 'weld' the overlaps together. This makes for a very 'squishy' feeling grub. Use a bead for the head and hiliters for color. DonO, Not only are they hard to the feel, they are a pain in the butt to make look like his grub in the article. I gave up on using them in a swap because it takes me several tries and a couple of days to make one that I like. I may succeed yet, but for the time being I'm stymied. Seems there are too many things to get just right for this klutzy old phart. LOL Rodger P.s. I did finally get the heads to look presentable by slowing down my melting to a snail's pace. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Problem with tying this critter
Thanks, DonO and Joyce, Maybe I need to explain further. I too can and do make mono eyes from several sizes of monofilament line. That is not the problem. The problem is getting the mono to fuse together. I'm gonna try and acquire some different brands of mono to try, but of the four I've tried so far, they want to melt away from each other when the ends are heated while holding them in a pair of needlenose pliers, hemostats, or tweezers. I will go dig out some of my weedeater cutting line to see if that works, and will report back. I have several sizes of weedeater line, but may not have any small enough. We'll see. BTW, can you melt the mono with a cautery without messing up the tool? Rodger -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Problem with tying this critter
I melt with the cautery with no problems. Any left over plastic will simply burn off the end of it when you are done..just push the on button with nothing on the end. I don't think the cautery cares what i burns and melts. When you use the cautery,just hold it really close to the end of the mono and it will ball up. Joyce On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Rodger Oleson rodger...@argontech.netwrote: Thanks, DonO and Joyce, Maybe I need to explain further. I too can and do make mono eyes from several sizes of monofilament line. That is not the problem. The problem is getting the mono to fuse together. I'm gonna try and acquire some different brands of mono to try, but of the four I've tried so far, they want to melt away from each other when the ends are heated while holding them in a pair of needlenose pliers, hemostats, or tweezers. I will go dig out some of my weedeater cutting line to see if that works, and will report back. I have several sizes of weedeater line, but may not have any small enough. We'll see. BTW, can you melt the mono with a cautery without messing up the tool? Rodger -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Problem with tying this critter
PS: have a cold piece of metal and just push the end of the hot mono onto it if you want a flat eye. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.comwrote: I melt with the cautery with no problems. Any left over plastic will simply burn off the end of it when you are done..just push the on button with nothing on the end. I don't think the cautery cares what i burns and melts. When you use the cautery,just hold it really close to the end of the mono and it will ball up. Joyce On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Rodger Oleson rodger...@argontech.netwrote: Thanks, DonO and Joyce, Maybe I need to explain further. I too can and do make mono eyes from several sizes of monofilament line. That is not the problem. The problem is getting the mono to fuse together. I'm gonna try and acquire some different brands of mono to try, but of the four I've tried so far, they want to melt away from each other when the ends are heated while holding them in a pair of needlenose pliers, hemostats, or tweezers. I will go dig out some of my weedeater cutting line to see if that works, and will report back. I have several sizes of weedeater line, but may not have any small enough. We'll see. BTW, can you melt the mono with a cautery without messing up the tool? Rodger -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] Problem with tying this critter
**/*Help!! */ I've made several tries at melting the mono to get it to look suitable for the heads of these grubs. Mine seem to want to melt and bend away from each other instead of fusing. I've tried wrapping them with mono thread before applying heat, tying them to the hooks shank before heating,a butane cigarette lighter, an alcohol burner and have about run out of things to try. I'd appreciate any ideas that might help me make suitable heads for my grub experiment with this fusing/melting the mono method. Rodger Fred Hannie Grubs http://hatchesmagazine.com/blogs/Hatches/2010/02/23/tying-grubs-by-fred-hannie/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
RE: [VFB] Problem with tying this critter
Try using a different make of monofilament. Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada _ From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rodger Oleson Sent: May 10, 2010 3:44 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [VFB] Problem with tying this critter Help!! I've made several tries at melting the mono to get it to look suitable for the heads of these grubs. Mine seem to want to melt and bend away from each other instead of fusing. I've tried wrapping them with mono thread before applying heat, tying them to the hooks shank before heating,a butane cigarette lighter, an alcohol burner and have about run out of things to try. I'd appreciate any ideas that might help me make suitable heads for my grub experiment with this fusing/melting the mono method. Rodger Fred Hannie Grubs http://hatchesmagazine.com/blogs/Hatches/2010/02/23/tying-grubs-by-fred-hann ie/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Problem with tying this critter
Are you 1. Using the right kind of mono? Some flourocarbons don't melt well. 2. Holding the flame a little distance from the mono and then moving closer until the mono melts. 3. Using too big/hot of a flame (heat beyond the flame is too high)? 4. Holding the mono(s) over the flame instead of feeding it into the flame towards the bottom? (same) The above is good for making any kind of mono eyes, although I like melting the mono into a glass bead. I use a candle and a hemostat for paired eyes, and 4 the monos gathered into a small coffee stir-straw. You can also use one very large mono if you have it. I have mono and leaders up to 300# test to play with = big grubs. I like that article- nice grubs, but for me they are too hard to the 'feel'. I have some grubs that consist of vinyl wrapped loosely over a body of soft chennille, using vinyl cement as I go to 'weld' the overlaps together. This makes for a very 'squishy' feeling grub. Use a bead for the head and hiliters for color. I'd like to try some clear jelly-rope for some grubs, also. That would add a nice transparent look and stil keep them softer than solid mono. Who knows, maybe that sparkle clear jelly-rope would add a little flash. Ribbing it with fine 'mirage' UV would also highlight the fly per the 'sheen' of the natural. DonO - Original Message - From: Rodger Oleson To: undisclosed-recipients Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 4:44 PM Subject: [VFB] Problem with tying this critter Help!! I've made several tries at melting the mono to get it to look suitable for the heads of these grubs. Mine seem to want to melt and bend away from each other instead of fusing. I've tried wrapping them with mono thread before applying heat, tying them to the hooks shank before heating,a butane cigarette lighter, an alcohol burner and have about run out of things to try. I'd appreciate any ideas that might help me make suitable heads for my grub experiment with this fusing/melting the mono method. Rodger Fred Hannie Grubs http://hatchesmagazine.com/blogs/Hatches/2010/02/23/tying-grubs-by-fred-hannie/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Problem with tying this critter
I, too, hold the thread with hemostats. However, I've found that weed eater type cutting mono works so much better than thread mono. I use all three sizes..the great big stuff for great big flies and the size 6 for smaller ones. I cut off about 3/4 inch, clasp the middle with a hemostat and gently move the ends into my burning tool that I use to burn hair. It's also known as a cautery and you can get it from Chris Helm's site. I can simply touch each end of the mono with the tool and it makes a marvelous set of eyes. Try it..I think you'll find it lots easier and less messy (and less chance of a fire in you tying room) than a lighter. Joyce On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: Are you 1. Using the right kind of mono? Some flourocarbons don't melt well. 2. Holding the flame a little distance from the mono and then moving closer until the mono melts. 3. Using too big/hot of a flame (heat beyond the flame is too high)? 4. Holding the mono(s) *over* the flame instead of feeding it into the fla]]bottom? (same The above is good for making any kind of mono eyes, although I like melting the mono into a glass bead. I use a candle and a hemostat for paired eyes, and 4 the monos gathered into a small coffee stir-straw. You can also use one very large mono if you have it. I have mono and leaders up to 300# test to play with = big grubs. I like that article- nice grubs, but for me they are too hard to the 'feel'. I have some grubs that consist of vinyl wrapped loosely over a body of soft chennille, using vinyl cement as I go to 'weld' the overlaps together. This makes for a very 'squishy' feeling grub. Use a bead for the head and hiliters for color. I'd like to try some clear jelly-rope for some grubs, also. That would add a nice transparent look and stil keep them softer than solid mono. Who knows, maybe that sparkle clear jelly-rope would add a little flash. Ribbing it with fine 'mirage' UV would also highlight the fly per the 'sheen' of the natural. DonO - Original Message - *From:* Rodger Oleson rodger...@argontech.net *To:* undisclosed-recipients *Sent:* Monday, May 10, 2010 4:44 PM *Subject:* [VFB] Problem with tying this critter ** *Help!! * I've made several tries at melting the mono to get it to look suitable for the heads of these grubs. Mine seem to want to melt and bend away from each other instead of fusing. I've tried wrapping them with mono thread before applying heat, tying them to the hooks shank before heating,a butane cigarette lighter, an alcohol burner and have about run out of things to try. I'd appreciate any ideas that might help me make suitable heads for my grub experiment with this fusing/melting the mono method. Rodger Fred Hannie Grubs http://hatchesmagazine.com/blogs/Hatches/2010/02/23/tying-grubs-by-fred-hannie/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
