Re: [VFB] Re: Whiting hackle rumour- stocking up
Hi Deb,
I've heard alot of good things about Dennys hackles but unfortuantely he
doesn't ship to the UK. I would be interested knowing the name of Chris
Reeves supplier. When you say about the colours it sounds like Chevron
hackles as they have good cplours. But they don't produce the variants that
Whiting produce which I really like.
Ashley
On 2 Jul 2011 23:23, "Deborah Duran" wrote:
> Being on the pro team I've been well stocked also. Byards swaps took care
of me for a life time again. I don't tie commercially though and this is
proving to be a problem for the commercial tyers. I have to agree with Don O
on Denny's Capes. He sent me one that I couldn't use when I tied for Whiting
at the shows but I've had it out recently and I must admit I save it also
because it is from a special person but that being said his grizzly cape he
sent me is really nice. If you're lucky enough to get your hands on some of
his capes. The Euro hackles are in short supply right now also Ashley but I
did find some saddles from an English tyer Chris Reeves knew. You might try
to contact him and see if you can find out the gentleman's name he had some
really bright colors at the Somerset Show a few years back.
> Deb
> On Jul 2, 2011, at 7:45 AM, Don Ordes wrote:
>
>> "I think the last line in his post sums it up fellas: We had better get
>> used to nymphing. Dry flies RIP."
>> Unless you tie commercially, I would think that a Whiting dry-fly
super-saddle would last you a lifetime for fishing flies, especially if you
had, say, a half-dozen colors or so in your arsenal. Because I am on the Pro
Staff and am somewhat a collector of necks and saddles, I have enough for
many lifetimes of recreational and show tying. Some I got simply because I
liked the color or pattern, and many have never been used yet.
>>
>> But if I were to 'recommend' a color selection in the standard #16 - #12
size dry-fly saddles, it would be these:
>>
>> RC Brown or RC brown-dyed grizzly
>> Grizzly
>> Black
>> White or cream or barred-cream
>> Dun or barred dun "dun English 《color》. A somber brown color with a
grayish hue. "
>> Gray or barred gray
>>
>> One could tie most patterns with the above colors, but if one could get
them, I would add these- a personal preference:
>>
>> Cree
>> Speckled Champagne ('Flecked' to some) (my favorite for rope-dubbing
peacock nymphs also)
>>
>> A rounded-out dozen would include these:
>>
>> Ginger or bar-ginger (towards gold)
>> Fl. Chartruese
>> Olive
>> Fl. Yellow
>>
>> The first 6 would give an average tier a lifetime of flies and the others
would give a lot of variety and stretch out the basic colors. The last 4
could be co-op swapped to cut cost.
>>
>> Of course Whiting has a lot of variety beyond the basics above, but
specialty tiers could get a few capes (necks) in similar colors and have the
dry-fly and some bugger or streamer hackles to boot.
>>
>> Some may consider some midge saddles, but a co-op wap of 6 swappers
should give one a lifetime supply of midge hackles. If not, having some #1
grade necks will tie a ton of midge flies- again, in the basic 6 colors.
Careful cape selection pays off. It used to take two neck hackles to tie a
decent fly- now one can tie 3 to 6 flies from one #1 neck hackle.
>>
>> Denny Conrad has a good deal on feather variety if you were to have at
least one of his whole capes This way you get dry and wet fly hackles, and a
lot of body feathers for soft-hackle patterns. His most successful color is
a dun.
>>
>> Specialty tying creates whole new needs, like saltwater or flat-wing, or
streamer tying. I have dozens of capes and saddles for these, and a bunch of
Coq De Leon saddles for awesome speckles.
>>
>> As far as price per tied fly, it's hard to beat a super-saddle, and if
one is on a budget, then a 100-pak is a good 'get-by' method, and the 6
basic colors could be aquired inexpensively.
>>
>> So what would you use for the basic 6 dry fly saddle colors, and where
would you expand from there?
>>
>>
>>
>> DonO
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "ashley strutt"
>> To:
>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 6:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: [VFB] Re: Whiting hackle rumour
>>
>> > On 07/02/2011 07:15 AM, Scott Bearden wrote:
>> >> I think the last line in his post sums it up fellas: We had better get
>> >> used to nymphing. Dry flies RIP.
>> >>
>> >>
http://singlebarbed.com/2011/06/22/are-we-back-to-them-scrawny-chinese-capes/
>> >>
>> > I saw that, which partly prompted
Re: [VFB] Re: Whiting hackle rumour
Well that's a picture we all needed to have in our heads. VBG Maybe if we post enough of those we can start a new fad that replaces the hair extension thingy. Deb On Jul 2, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Niclas Runarsson wrote: > “We can all blame Chris Reeves and Joe Cordiero for wearing hackles in their > hair at the flyshows. LOL It's their fault not Dr. Toms.” > > But Charles Jardine (left) is doing what he can to promote “extensions” from > birds they can hunt themselves… ;o) > /Nick > > > > > > -Ursprungligt meddelande- > Från: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] För > dsdur...@msn.com > Skickat: den 2 juli 2011 04:30 > Till: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > Ämne: [VFB] Re: Whiting hackle rumour > > Ashley > Whiting Farms is in the business for creating feathers for fly tyers but this > is also very good revenue for the farm. I'm so happy to see them keeping > busy because I saw a couple of my favorite fly shops go out of business. I > think Tom is right when he said the fly shops are also selling their feathers > on Ebay. I've seen a lot of them list their feathers for extensions and > tying so you know who they are trying to market to. Even if they weren't > though the hair stylists are pretty savy. I've had several of them contact > me through email trying to get me to sell them my feathers. They have to be > getting my name and email off the Whiting website. Some of them are pretty > aggressive. I guess they're getting even with me for my raids on Sally > Beauty supplies. They have some pretty great things to use in fly tying > also. I read the post about the hackles and as I see it Whiting is always > going to have a market with the fashion industry and higher end crafters. > I've seen a significant improvement in their Euro Hackles and the colors they > are making available so I think it has also been a benefit to me. I've been > asked to put together a few hair extensions for my neighbors daughter and a > friend of hers because even they can't really afford the prices they're being > charged. The major market is young girls. So I just tied up four of them > tonight for the girls and swore them to secrecy because I'm not interested in > making them for anyone else. I also got the chance to introduce them to the > real thing tied into flies. They were amazed so hopefully it left an > impression on them. I told them when they were ready they could come back > for a fly tying lesson. LOL. They looked at my Maine Streamers and decided > they would make beautiful earrings. Of course the most savy of us fly tyers > have already figured that one out. I see them sold at fly shows more often > than not. > I'm sure the fad will pass. Anyone wishing to sell their hackles will make a > bundle but a good reason not to do that is that the supply and demand is very > high and you may get rich but you will have a lot of competition when you try > to replace them. I think the fad will pass and the demand will ease up a > little and we will most likely see a good supply in the future. Whiting is > making adjustments for it, it just takes time.We can all blame Chris > Reeves and Joe Cordiero for wearing hackles in their hair at the flyshows. > LOL It's their fault not Dr. Toms. Heee Heee. I'm just having fun > with this. I think it's a great way to store my hackles for stream side fly > fixes. I am kidding I'm not wearing feathers in my hair. Just don't > let your wives see you crimping hackles in your hair. > Deb > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. > > To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > > VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. > > To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > > VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at > http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Re: Whiting hackle rumour- stocking up
Being on the pro team I've been well stocked also. Byards swaps took care of
me for a life time again. I don't tie commercially though and this is proving
to be a problem for the commercial tyers. I have to agree with Don O on
Denny's Capes. He sent me one that I couldn't use when I tied for Whiting at
the shows but I've had it out recently and I must admit I save it also because
it is from a special person but that being said his grizzly cape he sent me is
really nice. If you're lucky enough to get your hands on some of his capes.
The Euro hackles are in short supply right now also Ashley but I did find some
saddles from an English tyer Chris Reeves knew. You might try to contact him
and see if you can find out the gentleman's name he had some really bright
colors at the Somerset Show a few years back.
Deb
On Jul 2, 2011, at 7:45 AM, Don Ordes wrote:
> "I think the last line in his post sums it up fellas: We had better get
> used to nymphing. Dry flies RIP."
> Unless you tie commercially, I would think that a Whiting dry-fly
> super-saddle would last you a lifetime for fishing flies, especially if you
> had, say, a half-dozen colors or so in your arsenal. Because I am on the Pro
> Staff and am somewhat a collector of necks and saddles, I have enough for
> many lifetimes of recreational and show tying. Some I got simply because I
> liked the color or pattern, and many have never been used yet.
>
> But if I were to 'recommend' a color selection in the standard #16 - #12 size
> dry-fly saddles, it would be these:
>
> RC Brown or RC brown-dyed grizzly
> Grizzly
> Black
> White or cream or barred-cream
> Dun or barred dun "dun English 《color》. A somber brown color with a
> grayish hue. "
> Gray or barred gray
>
> One could tie most patterns with the above colors, but if one could get them,
> I would add these- a personal preference:
>
> Cree
> Speckled Champagne ('Flecked' to some) (my favorite for rope-dubbing
> peacock nymphs also)
>
> A rounded-out dozen would include these:
>
> Ginger or bar-ginger (towards gold)
> Fl. Chartruese
> Olive
> Fl. Yellow
>
> The first 6 would give an average tier a lifetime of flies and the others
> would give a lot of variety and stretch out the basic colors. The last 4
> could be co-op swapped to cut cost.
>
> Of course Whiting has a lot of variety beyond the basics above, but specialty
> tiers could get a few capes (necks) in similar colors and have the dry-fly
> and some bugger or streamer hackles to boot.
>
> Some may consider some midge saddles, but a co-op wap of 6 swappers should
> give one a lifetime supply of midge hackles. If not, having some #1 grade
> necks will tie a ton of midge flies- again, in the basic 6 colors. Careful
> cape selection pays off. It used to take two neck hackles to tie a decent
> fly- now one can tie 3 to 6 flies from one #1 neck hackle.
>
> Denny Conrad has a good deal on feather variety if you were to have at least
> one of his whole capes This way you get dry and wet fly hackles, and a lot
> of body feathers for soft-hackle patterns. His most successful color is a
> dun.
>
> Specialty tying creates whole new needs, like saltwater or flat-wing, or
> streamer tying. I have dozens of capes and saddles for these, and a bunch of
> Coq De Leon saddles for awesome speckles.
>
> As far as price per tied fly, it's hard to beat a super-saddle, and if one is
> on a budget, then a 100-pak is a good 'get-by' method, and the 6 basic colors
> could be aquired inexpensively.
>
> So what would you use for the basic 6 dry fly saddle colors, and where would
> you expand from there?
>
>
>
> DonO
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "ashley strutt"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 6:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [VFB] Re: Whiting hackle rumour
>
> > On 07/02/2011 07:15 AM, Scott Bearden wrote:
> >> I think the last line in his post sums it up fellas: We had better get
> >> used to nymphing. Dry flies RIP.
> >>
> >> http://singlebarbed.com/2011/06/22/are-we-back-to-them-scrawny-chinese-capes/
> >>
> > I saw that, which partly prompted my question.
> >
> > I don't think its RIP dry flies, theres always capes, I found that the
> > capes produced by an English breeder have improved since the last time I
> > tried them although I still prefer Whiting saddles for certain colours.
> >
> > Maybe the fad will affect the saddles used in saltwater flies as well
> > although the same
Re: [VFB] Re: Whiting hackle rumour- stocking up
"I think the last line in his post sums it up fellas: We had better get
used to nymphing. Dry flies RIP."
Unless you tie commercially, I would think that a Whiting dry-fly super-saddle
would last you a lifetime for fishing flies, especially if you had, say, a
half-dozen colors or so in your arsenal. Because I am on the Pro Staff and am
somewhat a collector of necks and saddles, I have enough for many lifetimes of
recreational and show tying. Some I got simply because I liked the color or
pattern, and many have never been used yet.
But if I were to 'recommend' a color selection in the standard #16 - #12 size
dry-fly saddles, it would be these:
RC Brown or RC brown-dyed grizzly
Grizzly
Black
White or cream or barred-cream
Dun or barred dun "dun English ?color?. A somber brown color with a
grayish hue. "
Gray or barred gray
One could tie most patterns with the above colors, but if one could get them, I
would add these- a personal preference:
Cree
Speckled Champagne ('Flecked' to some) (my favorite for rope-dubbing
peacock nymphs also)
A rounded-out dozen would include these:
Ginger or bar-ginger (towards gold)
Fl. Chartruese
Olive
Fl. Yellow
The first 6 would give an average tier a lifetime of flies and the others would
give a lot of variety and stretch out the basic colors. The last 4 could be
co-op swapped to cut cost.
Of course Whiting has a lot of variety beyond the basics above, but specialty
tiers could get a few capes (necks) in similar colors and have the dry-fly and
some bugger or streamer hackles to boot.
Some may consider some midge saddles, but a co-op wap of 6 swappers should give
one a lifetime supply of midge hackles. If not, having some #1 grade necks
will tie a ton of midge flies- again, in the basic 6 colors. Careful cape
selection pays off. It used to take two neck hackles to tie a decent fly- now
one can tie 3 to 6 flies from one #1 neck hackle.
Denny Conrad has a good deal on feather variety if you were to have at least
one of his whole capes This way you get dry and wet fly hackles, and a lot of
body feathers for soft-hackle patterns. His most successful color is a dun.
Specialty tying creates whole new needs, like saltwater or flat-wing, or
streamer tying. I have dozens of capes and saddles for these, and a bunch of
Coq De Leon saddles for awesome speckles.
As far as price per tied fly, it's hard to beat a super-saddle, and if one is
on a budget, then a 100-pak is a good 'get-by' method, and the 6 basic colors
could be aquired inexpensively.
So what would you use for the basic 6 dry fly saddle colors, and where would
you expand from there?
DonO
- Original Message -
From: "ashley strutt"
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 6:22 AM
Subject: Re: [VFB] Re: Whiting hackle rumour
> On 07/02/2011 07:15 AM, Scott Bearden wrote:
>> I think the last line in his post sums it up fellas: We had better get
>> used to nymphing. Dry flies RIP.
>>
>> http://singlebarbed.com/2011/06/22/are-we-back-to-them-scrawny-chinese-capes/
>>
> I saw that, which partly prompted my question.
>
> I don't think its RIP dry flies, theres always capes, I found that the
> capes produced by an English breeder have improved since the last time I
> tried them although I still prefer Whiting saddles for certain colours.
>
> Maybe the fad will affect the saddles used in saltwater flies as well
> although the same producer produces ones I can use in Beastmasters
> although their saddles are smaller than Whiting which I had already
> experienced trouble getting hold off, hence the search for a new
> supplier. Hackles for Abram style flies on the other hand may prove
> troublesome.
>
> Ashley
>
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Re: [VFB] Re: Whiting hackle rumour
On 07/02/2011 07:15 AM, Scott Bearden wrote: I think the last line in his post sums it up fellas: We had better get used to nymphing. Dry flies RIP. http://singlebarbed.com/2011/06/22/are-we-back-to-them-scrawny-chinese-capes/ I saw that, which partly prompted my question. I don't think its RIP dry flies, theres always capes, I found that the capes produced by an English breeder have improved since the last time I tried them although I still prefer Whiting saddles for certain colours. Maybe the fad will affect the saddles used in saltwater flies as well although the same producer produces ones I can use in Beastmasters although their saddles are smaller than Whiting which I had already experienced trouble getting hold off, hence the search for a new supplier. Hackles for Abram style flies on the other hand may prove troublesome. Ashley -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Re: Whiting hackle rumour
I think the last line in his post sums it up fellas: We had better get used to nymphing. Dry flies RIP. http://singlebarbed.com/2011/06/22/are-we-back-to-them-scrawny-chinese-capes/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] Re: Whiting hackle rumour
Ashley Whiting Farms is in the business for creating feathers for fly tyers but this is also very good revenue for the farm. I'm so happy to see them keeping busy because I saw a couple of my favorite fly shops go out of business. I think Tom is right when he said the fly shops are also selling their feathers on Ebay. I've seen a lot of them list their feathers for extensions and tying so you know who they are trying to market to. Even if they weren't though the hair stylists are pretty savy. I've had several of them contact me through email trying to get me to sell them my feathers. They have to be getting my name and email off the Whiting website. Some of them are pretty aggressive. I guess they're getting even with me for my raids on Sally Beauty supplies. They have some pretty great things to use in fly tying also. I read the post about the hackles and as I see it Whiting is always going to have a market with the fashion industry and higher end crafters. I've seen a significant improvement in their Euro Hackles and the colors they are making available so I think it has also been a benefit to me. I've been asked to put together a few hair extensions for my neighbors daughter and a friend of hers because even they can't really afford the prices they're being charged. The major market is young girls. So I just tied up four of them tonight for the girls and swore them to secrecy because I'm not interested in making them for anyone else. I also got the chance to introduce them to the real thing tied into flies. They were amazed so hopefully it left an impression on them. I told them when they were ready they could come back for a fly tying lesson. LOL. They looked at my Maine Streamers and decided they would make beautiful earrings. Of course the most savy of us fly tyers have already figured that one out. I see them sold at fly shows more often than not. I'm sure the fad will pass. Anyone wishing to sell their hackles will make a bundle but a good reason not to do that is that the supply and demand is very high and you may get rich but you will have a lot of competition when you try to replace them. I think the fad will pass and the demand will ease up a little and we will most likely see a good supply in the future. Whiting is making adjustments for it, it just takes time.We can all blame Chris Reeves and Joe Cordiero for wearing hackles in their hair at the flyshows. LOL It's their fault not Dr. Toms. Heee Heee. I'm just having fun with this. I think it's a great way to store my hackles for stream side fly fixes. I am kidding I'm not wearing feathers in my hair. Just don't let your wives see you crimping hackles in your hair. Deb -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
