Re: Re: [VFB] Bullets- only for those who like guns & hunting- OTHERS DELETE
Don is your barrel that short? Seems like that big of load you would want a longer barrel. Mike On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:44 AM, Don Ordes wrote: > Tom et al, > I should have taken a picture of my technicolor thumb-pad on my palm for > posterity after the 1st time I shot it. Now it's just a big solid recoil > pad now sitting at the base of my thumb. Now that I have it toughened up, I > can fire the big boys off without flinching, but I always wear ear muffs. It > still hurts the wrist, elbow, and shoulder to shoot more than a few HP > rounds, though. I shot my friends .44 mag and it was like shooting a .32 > special. > He's a pretty stout construction worker and was hurting after the 2nd > round. > > Which is one reason no one wants to carry the pistol except for bears, > i.e., the kick and the booming report. Sounds just like my .375 H&H going > off, only more concussion with the compensators. At the range, everyone > stops when I squeeze the 1st one off. To shoot a bear means you don't have > time to get hearing protection in, so your ears are gonna ring for weeks to > come. > > Here's a video of what it's like to shoot the 700grain round: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjmtUFrFBc4 > > It's a brutal and expensive pistol to shoot to get used to the big rounds. > But once that is accomplished, putting in some light 250-300 grain rounds is > fun, but still expensive, even if you reload, just not as bad. > > DonO > > - Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 7:22 AM > Subject: AW: Re: [VFB] Bullets- only for those who like guns & hunting- > OTHERS DELETE > > > > the only problem I see is the recoil (must be enormus) > Thomas > > Ursprüngliche Nachricht > Von: jerryp...@comcast. > net > Datum: 19.11.2010 13:09 > An: > Betreff: Re: [VFB] Bullets- only for those who like guns > & hunting- OTHERS DELETE > > > > Larry: > > A 230 grain .45 ACP bullet comes out the barrel at around 900 FPS, about > the > same as a 250 grain .45 Colt. It's a good man stopper but it would just > piss off a big bear. Don's got the right idea > with the .500 S &W. Not something you'd want for concealed carry but good > in bear country. > > > > Jerry Caruso > > "All > things considered, I'd rather be in Philadelphia." > > - "Larry Johnson" < JOHNSOLA @ uvu . edu > wrote: > > > Makes all > the sense in the world. I wish I was in a financial position to buy a BIG > FRAME handgun. What would my Springfield > Armory 1911 .45 ACP do in a bear situation? Any good at all? > Larry Johnson > > > > > > I've posted photos before of my fly- > fishing protection in Grizzly country, such as Glacier Park in NW Montana. > I love bears- just don't want to be mauled > or eaten alive. Hope I never have to use it. > So this starts out as fly-fishing related. > Please respond off > list ffc @ tribcsp .com > The list is a little slow, so I though I'd post why I opted for the S&W > .500 mag. > over the .44 mag. > A few weeks ago we were camping and my friend had his 44mag. So we > target-practiced against a clay > bank at 80 yards or so. After we shot for a little, he went over and dug > out a few slugs for comparisons. > His 44 shot > 230 grain bullets (left) and mine 550 grain bullets. > Mine is 10% larger in diameter (.5 vs .44), but doesn't look like > it because of the radiused shoulder. > Flip-em over: > So at almost 2 1/2 times the weight, it mushrooms out to double > the diameter. > This will stop even the biggest bear in its tracks, even at full charge > point-blank range. > We're > looking at over 2600# M.E. from a hand-gun carried in a vest holster! > NOW... > I thought I'd show you what a real heavy- > brush dangerous game cartridge looks like. > This gun is my cousin's, who hunts African Cape Buffalo, the toughest > animal on earth to put down. > On the left is a .44 and a .500 (700 grain). On the right is his 4-Bore, > or, 1000 Nitro > Express! > That's NOT black powder, like the old Maharajah's version in India. Over > 12K in muzzle energy! > 2200 grain > bullet at 1600 ft./sec.! > Heavy gun, has his gun-bearer carry it in a custom sling until the stalk: > Once they spot the > old beast, it's time to feed the villagers: > Some people oppose hunting, but they don't understand Africa. He paid > $40,000 > for the hunt, which 75% went to the village fund, and the meat direct to > the villagers. > In areas without > tourism, where he hunts, these animals would
Re: Re: [VFB] Bullets- only for those who like guns & hunting- OTHERS DELETE
Tom et al, I should have taken a picture of my technicolor thumb-pad on my palm for posterity after the 1st time I shot it. Now it's just a big solid recoil pad now sitting at the base of my thumb. Now that I have it toughened up, I can fire the big boys off without flinching, but I always wear ear muffs. It still hurts the wrist, elbow, and shoulder to shoot more than a few HP rounds, though. I shot my friends .44 mag and it was like shooting a .32 special. He's a pretty stout construction worker and was hurting after the 2nd round. Which is one reason no one wants to carry the pistol except for bears, i.e., the kick and the booming report. Sounds just like my .375 H&H going off, only more concussion with the compensators. At the range, everyone stops when I squeeze the 1st one off. To shoot a bear means you don't have time to get hearing protection in, so your ears are gonna ring for weeks to come. Here's a video of what it's like to shoot the 700grain round: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjmtUFrFBc4 It's a brutal and expensive pistol to shoot to get used to the big rounds. But once that is accomplished, putting in some light 250-300 grain rounds is fun, but still expensive, even if you reload, just not as bad. DonO - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 7:22 AM Subject: AW: Re: [VFB] Bullets- only for those who like guns & hunting- OTHERS DELETE the only problem I see is the recoil (must be enormus) Thomas Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: jerryp...@comcast. net Datum: 19.11.2010 13:09 An: Betreff: Re: [VFB] Bullets- only for those who like guns & hunting- OTHERS DELETE Larry: A 230 grain .45 ACP bullet comes out the barrel at around 900 FPS, about the same as a 250 grain .45 Colt. It's a good man stopper but it would just piss off a big bear. Don's got the right idea with the .500 S &W. Not something you'd want for concealed carry but good in bear country. Jerry Caruso "All things considered, I'd rather be in Philadelphia." - "Larry Johnson" < JOHNSOLA @ uvu . edu > wrote: Makes all the sense in the world. I wish I was in a financial position to buy a BIG FRAME handgun. What would my Springfield Armory 1911 .45 ACP do in a bear situation? Any good at all? Larry Johnson I've posted photos before of my fly- fishing protection in Grizzly country, such as Glacier Park in NW Montana. I love bears- just don't want to be mauled or eaten alive. Hope I never have to use it. So this starts out as fly-fishing related. Please respond off list ffc @ tribcsp .com The list is a little slow, so I though I'd post why I opted for the S&W .500 mag. over the .44 mag. A few weeks ago we were camping and my friend had his 44mag. So we target-practiced against a clay bank at 80 yards or so. After we shot for a little, he went over and dug out a few slugs for comparisons. His 44 shot 230 grain bullets (left) and mine 550 grain bullets. Mine is 10% larger in diameter (.5 vs .44), but doesn't look like it because of the radiused shoulder. Flip-em over: So at almost 2 1/2 times the weight, it mushrooms out to double the diameter. This will stop even the biggest bear in its tracks, even at full charge point-blank range. We're looking at over 2600# M.E. from a hand-gun carried in a vest holster! NOW... I thought I'd show you what a real heavy- brush dangerous game cartridge looks like. This gun is my cousin's, who hunts African Cape Buffalo, the toughest animal on earth to put down. On the left is a .44 and a .500 (700 grain). On the right is his 4-Bore, or, 1000 Nitro Express! That's NOT black powder, like the old Maharajah's version in India. Over 12K in muzzle energy! 2200 grain bullet at 1600 ft./sec.! Heavy gun, has his gun-bearer carry it in a custom sling until the stalk: Once they spot the old beast, it's time to feed the villagers: Some people oppose hunting, but they don't understand Africa. He paid $40,000 for the hunt, which 75% went to the village fund, and the meat direct to the villagers. In areas without tourism, where he hunts, these animals would all be killed by poachers. The villagers all become game wardens, protecting the resource that feeds them, rather than a poacher killing it and making a few hundred dollars for himself. Please, comments off list. DonO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To pos
Re: [VFB] Bullets- only for those who like guns & hunting- OTHERS DELETE
Thanks, Jerry LJ >>> 11/19/2010 5:09 AM >>> Larry: A 230 grain .45 ACP bullet comes out the barrel at around 900 FPS, about the same as a 250 grain .45 Colt. It's a good man stopper but it would just piss off a big bear. Don's got the right idea with the .500 S &W. Not something you'd want for concealed carry but good in bear country. Jerry Caruso "All things considered, I'd rather be in Philadelphia." - "Larry Johnson" < JOHNSOLA @ uvu . edu > wrote: Makes all the sense in the world. I wish I was in a financial position to buy a BIG FRAME handgun. What would my Springfield Armory 1911 .45 ACP do in a bear situation? Any good at all? Larry Johnson I've posted photos before of my fly-fishing protection in Grizzly country, such as Glacier Park in NW Montana. I love bears- just don't want to be mauled or eaten alive. Hope I never have to use it. So this starts out as fly-fishing related. Please respond off list ffc @ tribcsp .com The list is a little slow, so I though I'd post why I opted for the S&W .500 mag. over the .44 mag. A few weeks ago we were camping and my friend had his 44mag. So we target-practiced against a clay bank at 80 yards or so. After we shot for a little, he went over and dug out a few slugs for comparisons. His 44 shot 230 grain bullets (left) and mine 550 grain bullets. Mine is 10% larger in diameter (.5 vs .44), but doesn't look like it because of the radiused shoulder. Flip-em over: So at almost 2 1/2 times the weight, it mushrooms out to double the diameter. This will stop even the biggest bear in its tracks, even at full charge point-blank range. We're looking at over 2600# M.E. from a hand-gun carried in a vest holster! NOW... I thought I'd show you what a real heavy-brush dangerous game cartridge looks like. This gun is my cousin's, who hunts African Cape Buffalo, the toughest animal on earth to put down. On the left is a .44 and a .500 (700 grain). On the right is his 4-Bore, or, 1000 Nitro Express! That's NOT black powder, like the old Maharajah's version in India. Over 12K in muzzle energy! 2200 grain bullet at 1600 ft./sec.! Heavy gun, has his gun-bearer carry it in a custom sling until the stalk: Once they spot the old beast, it's time to feed the villagers: Some people oppose hunting, but they don't understand Africa. He paid $40,000 for the hunt, which 75% went to the village fund, and the meat direct to the villagers. In areas without tourism, where he hunts, these animals would all be killed by poachers. The villagers all become game wardens, protecting the resource that feeds them, rather than a poacher killing it and making a few hundred dollars for himself. Please, comments off list. DonO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
AW: Re: [VFB] Bullets- only for those who like guns & hunting- OTHERS DELETE
the only problem I see is the recoil (must be enormus) Thomas Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: jerryp...@comcast. net Datum: 19.11.2010 13:09 An: Betreff: Re: [VFB] Bullets- only for those who like guns & hunting- OTHERS DELETE Larry: A 230 grain .45 ACP bullet comes out the barrel at around 900 FPS, about the same as a 250 grain .45 Colt. It's a good man stopper but it would just piss off a big bear. Don's got the right idea with the .500 S &W. Not something you'd want for concealed carry but good in bear country. Jerry Caruso "All things considered, I'd rather be in Philadelphia." - "Larry Johnson" < JOHNSOLA @ uvu . edu > wrote: Makes all the sense in the world. I wish I was in a financial position to buy a BIG FRAME handgun. What would my Springfield Armory 1911 .45 ACP do in a bear situation? Any good at all? Larry Johnson I've posted photos before of my fly- fishing protection in Grizzly country, such as Glacier Park in NW Montana. I love bears- just don't want to be mauled or eaten alive. Hope I never have to use it. So this starts out as fly-fishing related. Please respond off list ffc @ tribcsp .com The list is a little slow, so I though I'd post why I opted for the S&W .500 mag. over the .44 mag. A few weeks ago we were camping and my friend had his 44mag. So we target-practiced against a clay bank at 80 yards or so. After we shot for a little, he went over and dug out a few slugs for comparisons. His 44 shot 230 grain bullets (left) and mine 550 grain bullets. Mine is 10% larger in diameter (.5 vs .44), but doesn't look like it because of the radiused shoulder. Flip-em over: So at almost 2 1/2 times the weight, it mushrooms out to double the diameter. This will stop even the biggest bear in its tracks, even at full charge point-blank range. We're looking at over 2600# M.E. from a hand-gun carried in a vest holster! NOW... I thought I'd show you what a real heavy- brush dangerous game cartridge looks like. This gun is my cousin's, who hunts African Cape Buffalo, the toughest animal on earth to put down. On the left is a .44 and a .500 (700 grain). On the right is his 4-Bore, or, 1000 Nitro Express! That's NOT black powder, like the old Maharajah's version in India. Over 12K in muzzle energy! 2200 grain bullet at 1600 ft./sec.! Heavy gun, has his gun-bearer carry it in a custom sling until the stalk: Once they spot the old beast, it's time to feed the villagers: Some people oppose hunting, but they don't understand Africa. He paid $40,000 for the hunt, which 75% went to the village fund, and the meat direct to the villagers. In areas without tourism, where he hunts, these animals would all be killed by poachers. The villagers all become game wardens, protecting the resource that feeds them, rather than a poacher killing it and making a few hundred dollars for himself. Please, comments off list. DonO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Bullets- only for those who like guns & hunting- OTHERS DELETE
Larry: A 230 grain .45 ACP bullet comes out the barrel at around 900 FPS, about the same as a 250 grain .45 Colt. It's a good man stopper but it would just piss off a big bear. Don's got the right idea with the .500 S &W. Not something you'd want for concealed carry but good in bear country. Jerry Caruso "All things considered, I'd rather be in Philadelphia." - "Larry Johnson" < JOHNSOLA @ uvu . edu > wrote: Makes all the sense in the world. I wish I was in a financial position to buy a BIG FRAME handgun. What would my Springfield Armory 1911 .45 ACP do in a bear situation? Any good at all? Larry Johnson I've posted photos before of my fly-fishing protection in Grizzly country, such as Glacier Park in NW Montana. I love bears- just don't want to be mauled or eaten alive. Hope I never have to use it. So this starts out as fly-fishing related. Please respond off list ffc @ tribcsp .com The list is a little slow, so I though I'd post why I opted for the S&W .500 mag. over the .44 mag. A few weeks ago we were camping and my friend had his 44mag. So we target-practiced against a clay bank at 80 yards or so. After we shot for a little, he went over and dug out a few slugs for comparisons. His 44 shot 230 grain bullets (left) and mine 550 grain bullets. Mine is 10% larger in diameter (.5 vs .44), but doesn't look like it because of the radiused shoulder. Flip-em over: So at almost 2 1/2 times the weight, it mushrooms out to double the diameter. This will stop even the biggest bear in its tracks, even at full charge point-blank range. We're looking at over 2600# M.E. from a hand-gun carried in a vest holster! NOW... I thought I'd show you what a real heavy-brush dangerous game cartridge looks like. This gun is my cousin's, who hunts African Cape Buffalo, the toughest animal on earth to put down. On the left is a .44 and a .500 (700 grain). On the right is his 4-Bore, or, 1000 Nitro Express! That's NOT black powder, like the old Maharajah's version in India. Over 12K in muzzle energy! 2200 grain bullet at 1600 ft./sec.! Heavy gun, has his gun-bearer carry it in a custom sling until the stalk: Once they spot the old beast, it's time to feed the villagers: Some people oppose hunting, but they don't understand Africa. He paid $40,000 for the hunt, which 75% went to the village fund, and the meat direct to the villagers. In areas without tourism, where he hunts, these animals would all be killed by poachers. The villagers all become game wardens, protecting the resource that feeds them, rather than a poacher killing it and making a few hundred dollars for himself. Please, comments off list. DonO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Bullets- only for those who like guns & hunting- OTHERS DELETE
Makes all the sense in the world. I wish I was in a financial position to buy a BIG FRAME handgun. What would my Springfield Armory 1911 .45 ACP do in a bear situation? Any good at all? Larry Johnson >>> "Don Ordes" 11/18/2010 9:35 AM >>> I've posted photos before of my fly-fishing protection in Grizzly country, such as Glacier Park in NW Montana. I love bears- just don't want to be mauled or eaten alive. Hope I never have to use it. So this starts out as fly-fishing related. Please respond off list f...@tribcsp.com The list is a little slow, so I though I'd post why I opted for the S&W .500 mag. over the .44 mag. A few weeks ago we were camping and my friend had his 44mag. So we target-practiced against a clay bank at 80 yards or so. After we shot for a little, he went over and dug out a few slugs for comparisons. His 44 shot 230 grain bullets (left) and mine 550 grain bullets. Mine is 10% larger in diameter (.5 vs .44), but doesn't look like it because of the radiused shoulder. Flip-em over: So at almost 2 1/2 times the weight, it mushrooms out to double the diameter. This will stop even the biggest bear in its tracks, even at full charge point-blank range. We're looking at over 2600# M.E. from a hand-gun carried in a vest holster! NOW... I thought I'd show you what a real heavy-brush dangerous game cartridge looks like. This gun is my cousin's, who hunts African Cape Buffalo, the toughest animal on earth to put down. On the left is a .44 and a .500 (700 grain). On the right is his 4-Bore, or, 1000 Nitro Express! That's NOT black powder, like the old Maharajah's version in India. Over 12K in muzzle energy! 2200 grain bullet at 1600 ft./sec.! Heavy gun, has his gun-bearer carry it in a custom sling until the stalk: Once they spot the old beast, it's time to feed the villagers: Some people oppose hunting, but they don't understand Africa. He paid $40,000 for the hunt, which 75% went to the village fund, and the meat direct to the villagers. In areas without tourism, where he hunts, these animals would all be killed by poachers. The villagers all become game wardens, protecting the resource that feeds them, rather than a poacher killing it and making a few hundred dollars for himself. Please, comments off list. DonO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
