Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps
hi don shoot me your add. I'll send you some dave From: Don Ordes Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 2:13 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps I could use a 3 sq. patch from center-top rump- the longest and most dense. Need to make mice and large shaped sculpin heads. What do you need in trade? DonO - Original Message - From: David Masson To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps hi guys and gal who needs some auz possum R sent me some awhile back dave From: Wayne Blake-Hedges Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:47 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps I'd be interested in splitting a New Zeland possum. Kinda sounds like something form the Beverly Hillbillies don't it? Wayne --- On Fri, 9/17/10, Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu wrote: From: Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 12:50 PM DonO: Any idea about how much a person might be invested in a joint ventre like this? I would be interested in several pieces of dyed fur, but not a $100 worth. Larry Johnson Springville, Utah Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com 9/17/2010 10:30 AM Who feels like pooling resources to get good buys on pelts at Moscow HF to divide up amongst swappers? Like the CO-OP swap, the meister buys the pelt, photos it, and cuts it up to divide amongst the swappers, who send in their share + SH. Buys range from dirt-cheap to taxidermy quality, many animals listed (dubbing quality critters), and 3 pieces would be enough dubbing to last a very long time. The numbers can be set by the meister and swappers. (If you want half a pelt, find one more swapper.) But a simple swap could go like this: (Just a suggestion of an easy typical swap) So you'd get a chunk of tail, some dense back, off-color thinner belly. #1 2 swappers would want the mask for bushy flies. There are hundreds of selections, so there could be many swaps. Just a thought- one ore way to use the VFB for buying power. DonO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3143 - Release Date: 09/18/10 03:34:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3155 - Release Date: 09/23/10 15:34:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group
Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps
hi don I found it . it's about 4inchs wide and about 5 inchs long,I think it's from the spine to the belly I'll send you some hope it long enough dave ps and yes I need your address I can't find my book lol dave From: Don Ordes Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 2:13 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps I could use a 3 sq. patch from center-top rump- the longest and most dense. Need to make mice and large shaped sculpin heads. What do you need in trade? DonO - Original Message - From: David Masson To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps hi guys and gal who needs some auz possum R sent me some awhile back dave From: Wayne Blake-Hedges Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:47 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps I'd be interested in splitting a New Zeland possum. Kinda sounds like something form the Beverly Hillbillies don't it? Wayne --- On Fri, 9/17/10, Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu wrote: From: Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 12:50 PM DonO: Any idea about how much a person might be invested in a joint ventre like this? I would be interested in several pieces of dyed fur, but not a $100 worth. Larry Johnson Springville, Utah Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com 9/17/2010 10:30 AM Who feels like pooling resources to get good buys on pelts at Moscow HF to divide up amongst swappers? Like the CO-OP swap, the meister buys the pelt, photos it, and cuts it up to divide amongst the swappers, who send in their share + SH. Buys range from dirt-cheap to taxidermy quality, many animals listed (dubbing quality critters), and 3 pieces would be enough dubbing to last a very long time. The numbers can be set by the meister and swappers. (If you want half a pelt, find one more swapper.) But a simple swap could go like this: (Just a suggestion of an easy typical swap) So you'd get a chunk of tail, some dense back, off-color thinner belly. #1 2 swappers would want the mask for bushy flies. There are hundreds of selections, so there could be many swaps. Just a thought- one ore way to use the VFB for buying power. DonO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3143 - Release Date: 09/18/10 03:34:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps
hi don I really don't need any thing right now I'll see what I can get you dave From: Don Ordes Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 2:13 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps I could use a 3 sq. patch from center-top rump- the longest and most dense. Need to make mice and large shaped sculpin heads. What do you need in trade? DonO - Original Message - From: David Masson To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps hi guys and gal who needs some auz possum R sent me some awhile back dave From: Wayne Blake-Hedges Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:47 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps I'd be interested in splitting a New Zeland possum. Kinda sounds like something form the Beverly Hillbillies don't it? Wayne --- On Fri, 9/17/10, Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu wrote: From: Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 12:50 PM DonO: Any idea about how much a person might be invested in a joint ventre like this? I would be interested in several pieces of dyed fur, but not a $100 worth. Larry Johnson Springville, Utah Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com 9/17/2010 10:30 AM Who feels like pooling resources to get good buys on pelts at Moscow HF to divide up amongst swappers? Like the CO-OP swap, the meister buys the pelt, photos it, and cuts it up to divide amongst the swappers, who send in their share + SH. Buys range from dirt-cheap to taxidermy quality, many animals listed (dubbing quality critters), and 3 pieces would be enough dubbing to last a very long time. The numbers can be set by the meister and swappers. (If you want half a pelt, find one more swapper.) But a simple swap could go like this: (Just a suggestion of an easy typical swap) So you'd get a chunk of tail, some dense back, off-color thinner belly. #1 2 swappers would want the mask for bushy flies. There are hundreds of selections, so there could be many swaps. Just a thought- one ore way to use the VFB for buying power. DonO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3143 - Release Date: 09/18/10 03:34:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3155 - Release Date: 09/23/10 15:34:00 -- You received this message because you
Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- new ideas from VFBers
If someone has to come up with the cash, that leaves me out ROFL, Chuck - Original Message - From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- new ideas from VFBers Chuck, now you're talking 'material swaps', something we used to do a lot of. Get 10 tiers off line and make up swap-bags to trade out. My idea is for bulk purchasing discount. A few may need to trade out, but someone has to come up with the cash. Cruise the Moscow Hide Fur site. Call for discounts of low-demand or highly damaged pelts for flytying. Chinchillas are not that expensive and tho small, make a ton of dubbing. DonO - Original Message - From: Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- new ideas from VFBers Me too. If Bob, or somebody had a lot of extra, they could make up grab bags for example (there might not even be the EXACT type pelts in ALL the bags, depending on how much he (or whoever) had, and then we who were in the swap but don't really dub a whole lot, Like Larry and myself here, could be able to get a bunch of different small patches. That would be PERFECT for my needs/wants anyway. PLEASE, somebody like Bob, or Joyce, or whoever might have a lot of extra dubbing type pelts, consider doing a grab bag type sell off. I (and I know others who either don't need a lot, or can't afford a lot of whole pelts) would certainly appreciate that Chuck - Original Message - From: Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- new ideas from VFBers I am not interested in a lot of dubbing, certainly whole pelts. I don't do that much dubbing, especially of one color. Small patches of several basic colors sounds more reasonable, and likely that I would/could be interested in. If it happened that someone were to meister a swap which would include smaller samples (2x2 or 2x4) I would go for it.. Larry Johnson Springville, Utah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3143 - Release Date: 09/18/10 01:34:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3152 - Release Date: 09/22/10 01:34:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- new ideas from VFBers
Chuck, now you're talking 'material swaps', something we used to do a lot of. Get 10 tiers off line and make up swap-bags to trade out. My idea is for bulk purchasing discount. A few may need to trade out, but someone has to come up with the cash. Cruise the Moscow Hide Fur site. Call for discounts of low-demand or highly damaged pelts for flytying. Chinchillas are not that expensive and tho small, make a ton of dubbing. DonO - Original Message - From: Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- new ideas from VFBers Me too. If Bob, or somebody had a lot of extra, they could make up grab bags for example (there might not even be the EXACT type pelts in ALL the bags, depending on how much he (or whoever) had, and then we who were in the swap but don't really dub a whole lot, Like Larry and myself here, could be able to get a bunch of different small patches. That would be PERFECT for my needs/wants anyway. PLEASE, somebody like Bob, or Joyce, or whoever might have a lot of extra dubbing type pelts, consider doing a grab bag type sell off. I (and I know others who either don't need a lot, or can't afford a lot of whole pelts) would certainly appreciate that Chuck - Original Message - From: Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- new ideas from VFBers I am not interested in a lot of dubbing, certainly whole pelts. I don't do that much dubbing, especially of one color. Small patches of several basic colors sounds more reasonable, and likely that I would/could be interested in. If it happened that someone were to meister a swap which would include smaller samples (2x2 or 2x4) I would go for it.. Larry Johnson Springville, Utah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3143 - Release Date: 09/18/10 01:34:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- new ideas from VFBers
Wow ! These guys at Moscow H F have a ton of materials, most of which are used for tying. I am interested in some of the materials (in small amounts), but right now I don't have the $$ available to buy all the skins. Also, meistering a swap like this would be a long drawn out process. Larry Johnson Springville, Utah Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com 9/19/2010 11:18 AM Chuck, now you're talking 'material swaps', something we used to do a lot of. Get 10 tiers off line and make up swap-bags to trade out. My idea is for bulk purchasing discount. A few may need to trade out, but someone has to come up with the cash. Cruise the Moscow Hide Fur site. Call for discounts of low-demand or highly damaged pelts for flytying. Chinchillas are not that expensive and tho small, make a ton of dubbing. DonO - Original Message - From: Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- new ideas from VFBers Me too. If Bob, or somebody had a lot of extra, they could make up grab bags for example (there might not even be the EXACT type pelts in ALL the bags, depending on how much he (or whoever) had, and then we who were in the swap but don't really dub a whole lot, Like Larry and myself here, could be able to get a bunch of different small patches. That would be PERFECT for my needs/wants anyway. PLEASE, somebody like Bob, or Joyce, or whoever might have a lot of extra dubbing type pelts, consider doing a grab bag type sell off. I (and I know others who either don't need a lot, or can't afford a lot of whole pelts) would certainly appreciate that Chuck - Original Message - From: Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- new ideas from VFBers I am not interested in a lot of dubbing, certainly whole pelts. I don't do that much dubbing, especially of one color. Small patches of several basic colors sounds more reasonable, and likely that I would/could be interested in. If it happened that someone were to meister a swap which would include smaller samples (2x2 or 2x4) I would go for it.. Larry Johnson Springville, Utah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3143 - Release Date: 09/18/10 01:34:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- new ideas from VFBers
My dubbing isn't on pelts..just in bags, such as SLF and those you can get in any good fly shop. I love that stuff, as well as UV dub. Again, not pelts, bags. Much of my plain dark dubbing fur to hold things together comes from Lion brand wool/acrylic yarn which I cut up and turn to dubbing in a coffee blender. The rest comes from washing, drying and then brushing the beagle with a furminator (great dubbing getting tool). Joyce On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: Chuck, now you're talking 'material swaps', something we used to do a lot of. Get 10 tiers off line and make up swap-bags to trade out. My idea is for bulk purchasing discount. A few may need to trade out, but someone has to come up with the cash. Cruise the Moscow Hide Fur site. Call for discounts of low-demand or highly damaged pelts for flytying. Chinchillas are not that expensive and tho small, make a ton of dubbing. DonO - Original Message - From: Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- new ideas from VFBers Me too. If Bob, or somebody had a lot of extra, they could make up grab bags for example (there might not even be the EXACT type pelts in ALL the bags, depending on how much he (or whoever) had, and then we who were in the swap but don't really dub a whole lot, Like Larry and myself here, could be able to get a bunch of different small patches. That would be PERFECT for my needs/wants anyway. PLEASE, somebody like Bob, or Joyce, or whoever might have a lot of extra dubbing type pelts, consider doing a grab bag type sell off. I (and I know others who either don't need a lot, or can't afford a lot of whole pelts) would certainly appreciate that Chuck - Original Message - From: Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- new ideas from VFBers I am not interested in a lot of dubbing, certainly whole pelts. I don't do that much dubbing, especially of one color. Small patches of several basic colors sounds more reasonable, and likely that I would/could be interested in. If it happened that someone were to meister a swap which would include smaller samples (2x2 or 2x4) I would go for it.. Larry Johnson Springville, Utah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3143 - Release Date: 09/18/10 01:34:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pelt Swaps/different fur uses
Hi All; I'm interested in this swap but don't know a lot about what the desireable qualities are of some of the various furs. Can any one describe some of what Moscow furs has to offer and what they would best be used for? Thanks in advance; Wayneb -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pelt Swaps/different fur uses
Larry, This is what the swap is for- but the prime mover and center is a pelt that everyone wants a portion of. After that, it's materials poker. If it's not about a pelt, then again, it's another materials swap. DonO - Original Message - From: Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt Swaps/different fur uses Don: Do you see a swap for us tyers who don't use a lot of dubbing? And substitute newer materials for dubbings listed on recipes for certain flies? For example, I used to tie the Adams with muskrat, which was the original material. Now I use Krystal Dub or Ice Dubbing (or whatever it's called) which is easier to use and buy. I used to have a whole muskrat skin. I gave half of it away, and hardly look at it now. So, I don't use large amounts of materials, and small sample sizes would suit me very well. Larry Johnson Springville, Utah Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com 9/20/2010 1:06 PM Wy too many to list here. I would use Moscow for the exotics that can't be found elsewhere*, like their chinchilla, which is superb. http://www.hideandfur.com/inventory/Dressed.html Fur dubbings are a learning and trail experience, along with some research. Start with common ones- fox, mink, badger, possum, rabbit, squirrel. Once you master those, try others, like chinchilla, seal, PB, etc. *One is not limited to Moscow. I found another place with good deals: http://www.flytyingfurs.com/products.htm It's going to take someone to volunteer to meister, then swappers can be shoppers, and then wheeler-dealers (adding their own stocks) I'll call your kit muskrat 1/4 and raise you a hare's mask and some squirrel blended dubbing. And rope-dubbing makes working with furs a whole new deal, anyway. Getting fur-on-skin allows you to hackle flies with the guard hairs (once you master the tip-rope and the butt-rope). Guard hairs pulsate like soft-hackles but are more durable. The dubbing sequence for your fur flies averages 50 seconds, less with practice. DOnO - Original Message - From: Wayne Blake-Hedges To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt Swaps/different fur uses Hi All; I'm interested in this swap but don't know a lot about what the desireable qualities are of some of the various furs. Can any one describe some of what Moscow furs has to offer and what they would best be used for? Thanks in advance; Wayneb -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pelt Swaps/different fur uses
On 9/20/2010 2:06 PM, Don Ordes wrote: The dubbing sequence for your fur flies averages 50 seconds, less with practice. * DonO, I hate to burst your bubble, but_ I _can't do anything in 50 seconds...not even make up my mind. Rodger :-D -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pelt Swaps/different fur uses
LOL, Denny Conrad was the same way. Then he rope-dubbed his 1st 60-second fly and surprized himself. Then he roped more of them in 60 seconds and was convinced it was no fluke. And his fly was a 3-color caddis larva nymph. DonO - Original Message - From: Rodger Oleson To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt Swaps/different fur uses On 9/20/2010 2:06 PM, Don Ordes wrote: The dubbing sequence for your fur flies averages 50 seconds, less with practice. a.. DonO, I hate to burst your bubble, but I can't do anything in 50 seconds...not even make up my mind. Rodger :-D -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- Joyce
see, I'm not the only one with lots of tying stuff. Joyce On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: I bought a wooden chest-of-drawers that has about 10 shallow drawers 2 deep x 18 x 20 from a 2nd-hand store ($20). The top 5 drawers are dubbing drawers, separated into synthetic dubbings, natural furs, ice-dub, long-fibered dubbings (like awesome-hair +), and custom/trial mixes (2 drawers). Each drawer has dubbing organizers set up for the kinds of dubbing they are. Some work better in dubbing dispensers, some in bags, some in bag-socks, some in film cannisters, etc. I have other boxes and bags of bulk dubbings, and lots of stuff that can be used for dubbing ropes, so the list is about endless. When I use them, part of it goes in the drawer to remind me of that dubbing rope, with samples. The lower drawers are for tying kits (specific flies- like shrimp, mice) and extra tools. DonO - Original Message - *From:* Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 18, 2010 6:21 PM *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- Joyce Don, I have a 2 foot by 3 foot box of dubbings, all in disarray. I also make some of my special ones. I couldn't part with a one..might need it sometime. I'm a dubbing hoarder. One can never have too many dubbings.. remember, it is my sister who thinks I have to many. She also thinks I have too many saddles and necks ( a dresser full). I love tying and love the sheer joy of the artistic creation of flies. Joyce On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: Joyce, List the dubbings that you have an overabundance of and maybe the meister would trade out for your portion of a new pelt to add diversity to your stock and less overabundance. Just a suggestion... DonO - Original Message - *From:* Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 18, 2010 6:24 AM *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps I've got enough dubbing to last me until I die so this is one swap I'd not be interested in. Thanks. Joyce On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: One thing Moscow doesn't do is dye furs. If a swapmeister would be good a dyeing DonO - Original Message - From: Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps DonO: Any idea about how much a person might be invested in a joint ventre like this? I would be interested in several pieces of dyed fur, but not a $100 worth. Larry Johnson Springville, Utah Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com 9/17/2010 10:30 AM Who feels like pooling resources to get good buys on pelts at Moscow HF to divide up amongst swappers? Like the CO-OP swap, the meister buys the pelt, photos it, and cuts it up to divide amongst the swappers, who send in their share + SH. Buys range from dirt-cheap to taxidermy quality, many animals listed (dubbing quality critters), and 3 pieces would be enough dubbing to last a very long time. The numbers can be set by the meister and swappers. (If you want half a pelt, find one more swapper.) But a simple swap could go like this: (Just a suggestion of an easy typical swap) So you'd get a chunk of tail, some dense back, off-color thinner belly. #1 2 swappers would want the mask for bushy flies. There are hundreds of selections, so there could be many swaps. Just a thought- one ore way to use the VFB for buying power. DonO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr
Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps
I've got enough dubbing to last me until I die so this is one swap I'd not be interested in. Thanks. Joyce And I've got enough to last several of us, so I'm in agreement with Joyce. A. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps
I like the idea, but I have to agree with Larry. This could be a lot of work for somrone. From: Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 10:50:02 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps DonO: Any idea about how much a person might be invested in a joint ventre like this? I would be interested in several pieces of dyed fur, but not a $100 worth. Larry Johnson Springville, Utah Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com 9/17/2010 10:30 AM Who feels like pooling resources to get good buys on pelts at Moscow HF to divide up amongst swappers? Like the CO-OP swap, the meister buys the pelt, photos it, and cuts it up to divide amongst the swappers, who send in their share + SH. Buys range from dirt-cheap to taxidermy quality, many animals listed (dubbing quality critters), and 3 pieces would be enough dubbing to last a very long time. The numbers can be set by the meister and swappers. (If you want half a pelt, find one more swapper.) But a simple swap could go like this: (Just a suggestion of an easy typical swap) So you'd get a chunk of tail, some dense back, off-color thinner belly. #1 2 swappers would want the mask for bushy flies. There are hundreds of selections, so there could be many swaps. Just a thought- one ore way to use the VFB for buying power. DonO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps
My wife is trying to get me to sell some mine off! BobH - Original Message - From: Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 10:16:31 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps I've got enough dubbing to last me until I die so this is one swap I'd not be interested in. Thanks. Joyce And I've got enough to last several of us, so I'm in agreement with Joyce. A. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- How it would/could work...
I think you guys might be missing the point. This swap is for those who: a.. Need more of a specific animal for dubbing and want an amount at a better price b.. Can't find a specific animal at on-line sources or local fly-shops c.. Want to try out a new critter for dubbing, such as a chinchilla or New Zealand Possum. d.. Want to try out rope-dubbing with raw durs on the hide, unblended, to get 'guard hairs as hackle' effects. (I can demo how to do this) e.. Want to share the cost with other VFBers so they don't have to buy a whole pelt to try something out. f.. Need fur strips to make zonker-style flies or sculpin-type tails and want to cut-your-own for shape and length. g.. Want to use natural colors or can dye their own by buying a white hide if available h.. Want to design new flies for specific fish and applications, using a new material. i.. Want to share the cost of something else on the site, like 'porkypine' quills or peccary or whatever else os on site- doesn't have to be a fur or dubbing even. j.. (Heck, it doesn't even have to be at Mocsow, like the Whiting hackle co-op swaps. It's the idea of co-op bulk buying to lessen and share the expense of something you don't want to spring for the whole $ amount for.) k.. Bulk from the mfg. is a good way to cut out the middle-man expenses- just like the hook-swap. This swap is not for: a.. People who don't fit in any of the above descriptions. Denny Conrad loved the chinchilla I was using and ordered his own pelt from Moscow and is now roping new and old go-to patterns with chinchilla, like the 'Usual' that I posted. He then ordered the whole pelt because he loved the tiny sample I sent him and knew what it was like. So with this swap, if tyers just want to try out a chinchilla sample, 20 (or whatever) of them could divide up a Chinchilla pelt of any quality ranging from $10 to $50 http://www.hideandfur.com/inventory/6300.html and get a patch to try out for dying, drys, wets, blending, zonker strips, etc. A 1 x 2 strip could tie quite a few fishing flies, as chinchilla is incredibly dense. Australian/NZ possum is another fur-on-the-hide to try out. It is soft and dense, ropes very well with great guard hairs for self-hackling ropes. So: a.. a meister that wants to try a certain dubbing could find the pelt they want at the site above, b.. determine what part and how much they want and announce a swap. c.. Swappers could enter for a price/amount (proportion) of the hide they want to try and enter. d.. When the meister has enough swappers to buy the pelt proportion they don't want to buy, he closes the swap. e.. So if they want 1/3 of the pelt, they close at 2/3 purchased by swappers. f.. So a swapper could sign up for just a square inch of a pelt at a couple of dollars, just to try out an exotic dubbing not found in stores or on-line. g.. If you aren't interested, don't reply What motivates meistering a swap? A tier wants to try a dubbing critter and wants to share the expense for the hide. They can meister themselves or request another interested VFBer as a meister with a swap offer on list. What motivates joining a swap? Getting a new dubbing sample to try out for a couple of dollars or a larger supply if you find from a previous sample that you really like a dubbing and want more, based on the effectiveness of the flies they design. Post your fly designs to get swappers interested. DonO - Original Message - From: haerb...@comcast.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps My wife is trying to get me to sell some mine off! BobH - Original Message - From: Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 10:16:31 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps I've got enough dubbing to last me until I die so this is one swap I'd not be interested in. Thanks. Joyce And I've got enough to last several of us, so I'm in agreement with Joyce. A. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post
Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- new ideas from VFBers
Now there's an idea, Bob. My wife is trying to get me to sell some mine off! a.. Figure out what you don't need of your own stock and see if a meister will trade out your unwanted dubbings for a portion of the new pelt. b.. Build your dubbing diversity with only SH expense c.. Example: Like Bob, I have plenty of Poo-bear. So I could trade some PB for another exotic fur to try out. d.. I have 'tons' of bulk deer, elk, moose, etc. that I could never use, both natural and dyed. e.. I could send a list of what I want to trade out to the meister if he is wanting a trade-out swap approach. f.. The meister could also request other things he'd like to get in trade for portions of the hide he/she is offering. g.. SO, no matter what situation you are in, you just might find there's a way to get diversified and accomplish another task of unloading some dubbings or furs or whatever for trade. You may have an over-abundance of a hook design that the meister would love to have. So trade for your portion of a brand new dubing. DonO - Original Message - From: haerb...@comcast.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps My wife is trying to get me to sell some mine off! BobH - Original Message - From: Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 10:16:31 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps I've got enough dubbing to last me until I die so this is one swap I'd not be interested in. Thanks. Joyce And I've got enough to last several of us, so I'm in agreement with Joyce. A. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- new ideas from VFBers
I am not interested in a lot of dubbing, certainly whole pelts. I don't do that much dubbing, especially of one color. Small patches of several basic colors sounds more reasonable, and likely that I would/could be interested in. If it happened that someone were to meister a swap which would include smaller samples (2x2 or 2x4) I would go for it.. Larry Johnson Springville, Utah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- How it would/could work...
If anybody decides to meister an NZ/Aussie possum swap, let me know please. Or if you wanted to get some possum and chinchilla both, because I have tried a tiny patch of the chinchilla (I think I got it from Don O in fact), and it made great dubbing..I just don't seem to be a good meister on something like this as I'd be too worried that I wouldn't give each person the same amount, but would love to be in a co-op if anybody decides to start one. Thanks, Chuck - Original Message - From: Don Ordes To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- How it would/could work... I think you guys might be missing the point. This swap is for those who: a.. Need more of a specific animal for dubbing and want an amount at a better price b.. Can't find a specific animal at on-line sources or local fly-shops c.. Want to try out a new critter for dubbing, such as a chinchilla or New Zealand Possum. d.. Want to try out rope-dubbing with raw durs on the hide, unblended, to get 'guard hairs as hackle' effects. (I can demo how to do this) e.. Want to share the cost with other VFBers so they don't have to buy a whole pelt to try something out. f.. Need fur strips to make zonker-style flies or sculpin-type tails and want to cut-your-own for shape and length. g.. Want to use natural colors or can dye their own by buying a white hide if available h.. Want to design new flies for specific fish and applications, using a new material. i.. Want to share the cost of something else on the site, like 'porkypine' quills or peccary or whatever else os on site- doesn't have to be a fur or dubbing even. j.. (Heck, it doesn't even have to be at Mocsow, like the Whiting hackle co-op swaps. It's the idea of co-op bulk buying to lessen and share the expense of something you don't want to spring for the whole $ amount for.) k.. Bulk from the mfg. is a good way to cut out the middle-man expenses- just like the hook-swap. This swap is not for: a.. People who don't fit in any of the above descriptions. Denny Conrad loved the chinchilla I was using and ordered his own pelt from Moscow and is now roping new and old go-to patterns with chinchilla, like the 'Usual' that I posted. He then ordered the whole pelt because he loved the tiny sample I sent him and knew what it was like. So with this swap, if tyers just want to try out a chinchilla sample, 20 (or whatever) of them could divide up a Chinchilla pelt of any quality ranging from $10 to $50 http://www.hideandfur.com/inventory/6300.html and get a patch to try out for dying, drys, wets, blending, zonker strips, etc. A 1 x 2 strip could tie quite a few fishing flies, as chinchilla is incredibly dense. Australian/NZ possum is another fur-on-the-hide to try out. It is soft and dense, ropes very well with great guard hairs for self-hackling ropes. So: a.. a meister that wants to try a certain dubbing could find the pelt they want at the site above, b.. determine what part and how much they want and announce a swap. c.. Swappers could enter for a price/amount (proportion) of the hide they want to try and enter. d.. When the meister has enough swappers to buy the pelt proportion they don't want to buy, he closes the swap. e.. So if they want 1/3 of the pelt, they close at 2/3 purchased by swappers. f.. So a swapper could sign up for just a square inch of a pelt at a couple of dollars, just to try out an exotic dubbing not found in stores or on-line. g.. If you aren't interested, don't reply What motivates meistering a swap? A tier wants to try a dubbing critter and wants to share the expense for the hide. They can meister themselves or request another interested VFBer as a meister with a swap offer on list. What motivates joining a swap? Getting a new dubbing sample to try out for a couple of dollars or a larger supply if you find from a previous sample that you really like a dubbing and want more, based on the effectiveness of the flies they design. Post your fly designs to get swappers interested. DonO - Original Message - From: haerb...@comcast.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps My wife is trying to get me to sell some mine off! BobH - Original Message - From: Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 10:16:31 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps I've got enough dubbing to last me until I die so this is one swap I'd not be interested in. Thanks. Joyce And I've got enough to last several of us, so I'm in agreement with Joyce. A. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send
Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- new ideas from VFBers
That would be great if Bob (or anybody on the list) had a few different pelts they wanted to sell, and we could sign up in a swap, then Bob (or whoever) could meister it and probably end up with a much higher overall price for their pelts that had they sold them each to one person. Think about it Bob and let us know. Chuck - Original Message - From: Don Ordes To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- new ideas from VFBers Now there's an idea, Bob. My wife is trying to get me to sell some mine off! a.. Figure out what you don't need of your own stock and see if a meister will trade out your unwanted dubbings for a portion of the new pelt. b.. Build your dubbing diversity with only SH expense c.. Example: Like Bob, I have plenty of Poo-bear. So I could trade some PB for another exotic fur to try out. d.. I have 'tons' of bulk deer, elk, moose, etc. that I could never use, both natural and dyed. e.. I could send a list of what I want to trade out to the meister if he is wanting a trade-out swap approach. f.. The meister could also request other things he'd like to get in trade for portions of the hide he/she is offering. g.. SO, no matter what situation you are in, you just might find there's a way to get diversified and accomplish another task of unloading some dubbings or furs or whatever for trade. You may have an over-abundance of a hook design that the meister would love to have. So trade for your portion of a brand new dubing. DonO - Original Message - From: haerb...@comcast.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps My wife is trying to get me to sell some mine off! BobH - Original Message - From: Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 10:16:31 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps I've got enough dubbing to last me until I die so this is one swap I'd not be interested in. Thanks. Joyce And I've got enough to last several of us, so I'm in agreement with Joyce. A. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3143 - Release Date: 09/18/10 01:34:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- new ideas from VFBers
Me too. If Bob, or somebody had a lot of extra, they could make up grab bags for example (there might not even be the EXACT type pelts in ALL the bags, depending on how much he (or whoever) had, and then we who were in the swap but don't really dub a whole lot, Like Larry and myself here, could be able to get a bunch of different small patches. That would be PERFECT for my needs/wants anyway. PLEASE, somebody like Bob, or Joyce, or whoever might have a lot of extra dubbing type pelts, consider doing a grab bag type sell off. I (and I know others who either don't need a lot, or can't afford a lot of whole pelts) would certainly appreciate that Chuck - Original Message - From: Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- new ideas from VFBers I am not interested in a lot of dubbing, certainly whole pelts. I don't do that much dubbing, especially of one color. Small patches of several basic colors sounds more reasonable, and likely that I would/could be interested in. If it happened that someone were to meister a swap which would include smaller samples (2x2 or 2x4) I would go for it.. Larry Johnson Springville, Utah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3143 - Release Date: 09/18/10 01:34:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps
hi guys and gal who needs some auz possum R sent me some awhile back dave From: Wayne Blake-Hedges Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:47 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps I'd be interested in splitting a New Zeland possum. Kinda sounds like something form the Beverly Hillbillies don't it? Wayne --- On Fri, 9/17/10, Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu wrote: From: Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 12:50 PM DonO: Any idea about how much a person might be invested in a joint ventre like this? I would be interested in several pieces of dyed fur, but not a $100 worth. Larry Johnson Springville, Utah Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com 9/17/2010 10:30 AM Who feels like pooling resources to get good buys on pelts at Moscow HF to divide up amongst swappers? Like the CO-OP swap, the meister buys the pelt, photos it, and cuts it up to divide amongst the swappers, who send in their share + SH. Buys range from dirt-cheap to taxidermy quality, many animals listed (dubbing quality critters), and 3 pieces would be enough dubbing to last a very long time. The numbers can be set by the meister and swappers. (If you want half a pelt, find one more swapper.) But a simple swap could go like this: (Just a suggestion of an easy typical swap) So you'd get a chunk of tail, some dense back, off-color thinner belly. #1 2 swappers would want the mask for bushy flies. There are hundreds of selections, so there could be many swaps. Just a thought- one ore way to use the VFB for buying power. DonO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3143 - Release Date: 09/18/10 03:34:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps
DonO: Any idea about how much a person might be invested in a joint ventre like this? I would be interested in several pieces of dyed fur, but not a $100 worth. Larry Johnson Springville, Utah Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com 9/17/2010 10:30 AM Who feels like pooling resources to get good buys on pelts at Moscow HF to divide up amongst swappers? Like the CO-OP swap, the meister buys the pelt, photos it, and cuts it up to divide amongst the swappers, who send in their share + SH. Buys range from dirt-cheap to taxidermy quality, many animals listed (dubbing quality critters), and 3 pieces would be enough dubbing to last a very long time. The numbers can be set by the meister and swappers. (If you want half a pelt, find one more swapper.) But a simple swap could go like this: (Just a suggestion of an easy typical swap) So you'd get a chunk of tail, some dense back, off-color thinner belly. #1 2 swappers would want the mask for bushy flies. There are hundreds of selections, so there could be many swaps. Just a thought- one ore way to use the VFB for buying power. DonO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps
I'd be interested in splitting a New Zeland possum. Kinda sounds like something form the Beverly Hillbillies don't it? Wayne --- On Fri, 9/17/10, Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu wrote: From: Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 12:50 PM DonO: Any idea about how much a person might be invested in a joint ventre like this? I would be interested in several pieces of dyed fur, but not a $100 worth. Larry Johnson Springville, Utah Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com 9/17/2010 10:30 AM Who feels like pooling resources to get good buys on pelts at Moscow HF to divide up amongst swappers? Like the CO-OP swap, the meister buys the pelt, photos it, and cuts it up to divide amongst the swappers, who send in their share + SH. Buys range from dirt-cheap to taxidermy quality, many animals listed (dubbing quality critters), and 3 pieces would be enough dubbing to last a very long time. The numbers can be set by the meister and swappers. (If you want half a pelt, find one more swapper.) But a simple swap could go like this: (Just a suggestion of an easy typical swap) So you'd get a chunk of tail, some dense back, off-color thinner belly. #1 2 swappers would want the mask for bushy flies. There are hundreds of selections, so there could be many swaps. Just a thought- one ore way to use the VFB for buying power. DonO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps
One thing Moscow doesn't do is dye furs. If a swapmeister would be good a dyeing DonO - Original Message - From: Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps DonO: Any idea about how much a person might be invested in a joint ventre like this? I would be interested in several pieces of dyed fur, but not a $100 worth. Larry Johnson Springville, Utah Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com 9/17/2010 10:30 AM Who feels like pooling resources to get good buys on pelts at Moscow HF to divide up amongst swappers? Like the CO-OP swap, the meister buys the pelt, photos it, and cuts it up to divide amongst the swappers, who send in their share + SH. Buys range from dirt-cheap to taxidermy quality, many animals listed (dubbing quality critters), and 3 pieces would be enough dubbing to last a very long time. The numbers can be set by the meister and swappers. (If you want half a pelt, find one more swapper.) But a simple swap could go like this: (Just a suggestion of an easy typical swap) So you'd get a chunk of tail, some dense back, off-color thinner belly. #1 2 swappers would want the mask for bushy flies. There are hundreds of selections, so there could be many swaps. Just a thought- one ore way to use the VFB for buying power. DonO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
