Re: [VFB] Rene Christmas Swap

[Rene Zillmann]

Hi Tony,

unfortunately I've never hosted a swap from Europe. Postage back to the
US is appr. 10$. However, I created a couple of pages for swaps.
I have all of the flies in a database, and from the database this must
be your fly. Tied for the xmas swap on 2003, Iain Short from the UK did
host the swap.
I attach a picture of your fly.

Best wishes

Rene



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> I sent this and it bounced.
> Rene,
> What was the Christmas Swap that you hosted. I remember tying a woven
> fly with all three Christmas colors.
> Tony
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Re: [VFB] Rene-

[Anthony Spezio]

Single foot guides will keep the line further away from the rod surface, It 
might help for long casts . I just can't accept single foot guides, I guess I 
am too old fashioned and feel better with the standard Snake guides. I have 
made several Graphite rods with single foot guides but did not like wrapping 
them. I will not use them on a bamboo rod.
Tony

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From: Rene Zillmann 
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To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 1:57 PM

Hi Don,
to the snake/loop guides. When I look at my forecast and with the snake
guides, the line sticks more at the rod's blank, than with single foot
guides. they ensure a bit more distance. Fo the backcast I see no
difference in this point.
your thought?
Rene

Don Ordes wrote:
> This is a question for our intrepid Tony the Tiger.
> I have both loop guides (single foot) and snake guides (double foot),
> and I can't feel a difference.
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Re: [VFB] Rene- guides

[Don Ordes]

Wow, Scott, that's a lot of good info.  This gets saved in the gear/rods/lines 
folder.

Why slick guides would matter to me:
1.  When it's really windy here, like 70% of the time, to get any accurate 
distance, I have to really speed up a short cast, power up the last cast, and 
then shoot the remaining 1/3rd or so distance.  I use 10# flouro because 
anything less would make the weighted fly snap off with the inertia (change of 
direction).  A looping cast will be blown to who knows where.  Yeah, everyone 
deals with the wind, but they all say Casper's wind is ridiculous after they've 
fished here any length of time.
2.  When I lake-fish and those spooky buggers are rising like crazy 100' away 
and won't take anything closer.  And if I'm fishing from the shore and I need 
go get past the weed-line, or if I have to shoot distance because of back-side 
obstructions.
3.  When I saltwater fish and need long casts. 

With Casper's wind, I find that the rod's power is much more important than the 
guides*.
Then, matching the right line to the rod, sometimes a weight lighter, sometimes 
one over.
Keeping in mind my casting technique & timing, which has to change with every 
set-up.
* I've never really experimented with guides, so this is a good thread for me.
Keeping the line clean and supple is necessary, unless I'm fishing in cold 
weather- supple isn't there.**
Going to try some Shark-skin line to see if that improves my casting distance.  
Next show.

** Remember that Casper is the 3rd worst weather in the country.  A big portion 
of that misery is the wind, a tunneling effect because of the shape of the 
mountain ranges around us.   

DonO
  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Bearden 
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 8:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] Rene- guides


  If double hauling is your thing and you need to reach way out and shoot line, 
then the slickness of the guides will dramatically help your cast. Buy the very 
best ceramic inserts you can buy. Don't buy the cheap knock offs, buy Fuji and 
do all the guides, the stripper, and the tip top. Begin each fishing session 
with a clean and lubricated line or none of this will amount to much. 
Personally I would only do this on salt water rods or maybe salmon or steelhead 
rods. If you are casting beyond 50 or so feet in fresh water for trout then I 
have to question how you can cast to a particular rising fish, or see even a 
size 14 adams, let alone a size 20 midge. Or for that matter, how do you get a 
good drift with multiple currents between you and the fish?


  Just to give you guys an idea of how gimmicky this stuff can be, just a 
decade ago teflon coated guides were available for custom rod builders and they 
didn't last long. Unfortunately fishing equipment is subject to the same rules 
of consumerism as anything else. Consumers get bored with otherwise outstanding 
products if they are not tweaked and labeled "improved" over last year's model. 
If you look over time, the first guides were just a tip top guide and you 
beached the fish after swinging a brace of a dozen or more flies through a pool 
of fish. Then someone decided they wanted to retrieve the line, so they added 
trumpet guides and then later floppy ring guides sometime around or after the 
Civil War. Snake guides were used prior to the turn of the century, but didn't 
catch on for a couple of decades. After WW2 there were several short lived 
guides with cork screws or other catchy gimmicks. REC recoil guides are 
interesting, but they have yet to saturate the market. Buy what makes you 
happy, and rest easy that if you don't like them, they are fairly inexpensive 
compared to anything else going on the rod and they can be replaced if you 
don't like them. A lot of this is psychological. So if you have already made up 
in your mind what will make you happy on a rod, then by all means satisfy that 
desire. If you build a rod you love, then you will fish it more often, and that 
is a good thing.


  The Sharkskin lines cast a lot like the old silk lines. They make a lot of 
noise, but they do cast well. But I don't have much need for long distance 
casts.


  Scott


  On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Chuck Alexander  
wrote:

I think the slickness of the guides, and the shape of the guides  on the 
regular eyes that have the (usually plastic) inserts, if those are oval, round 
etc, I would think that would speed up, or slow down a line. My 1 1/2 cents 
worth, Chuck


- Original Message - From: "Don Ordes" 

To: 

Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [VFB] Rene- guides




  Rene,
  I dunno... the slickness of the guide material would seem to be more
  important than the shape, it you're like shooting the line.  Otherwise, it
  don't

Re: [VFB] Rene- guides

[Rene Zillmann]

hi Scott,
thanks a lot for all the information, well received. Concerning my
casting and the need for distance: I fish not often (20 to 40 times a
year), but very different waters.There a 2 small rivers south of
Cologne, the Erft and the Ahr. The 2nd one located in a great wine area,
fishing within wine yards - imagine. Casting distance is low, often 20
to 40 feet, but more often less than 20 feet. Very seldom need for
double hauling.
On the other side the Rhine, huge river and almost always a question of
distance. So double howling is the ticket here.
Ok, some additional trips to Striperfishing at Cape Cod, trout from
Tony's dock etc. Sometime double houling and distance needed.
All in all I always look very close on the guides, and in the meantime I
prefer the single footed ones, my impression is that it helps for
distance, and on the forecast (during the stroke!) the line is better
guided and I have more control.
Take a rode with snake guides, feed the line and turn the rod
horizontally, reel pointing up. And than look at the guides and the
line. That is my point
Rene

Scott Bearden wrote:
> If double hauling is your thing and you need to reach way out and
> shoot line, then the slickness of the guides will dramatically help
> your cast. Buy the very best ceramic inserts you can buy. Don't buy
> the cheap knock offs, buy Fuji and do all the guides, the stripper,
> and the tip top. Begin each fishing session with a clean and
> lubricated line or none of this will amount to much. Personally I
> would only do this on salt water rods or maybe salmon or steelhead
> rods. If you are casting beyond 50 or so feet in fresh water for trout
> then I have to question how you can cast to a particular rising fish,
> or see even a size 14 adams, let alone a size 20 midge. Or for that
> matter, how do you get a good drift with multiple currents between you
> and the fish?
>
> Just to give you guys an idea of how gimmicky this stuff can be, just
> a decade ago teflon coated guides were available for custom rod
> builders and they didn't last long. Unfortunately fishing equipment is
> subject to the same rules of consumerism as anything else. Consumers
> get bored with otherwise outstanding products if they are not tweaked
> and labeled "improved" over last year's model. If you look over time,
> the first guides were just a tip top guide and you beached the fish
> after swinging a brace of a dozen or more flies through a pool of
> fish. Then someone decided they wanted to retrieve the line, so they
> added trumpet guides and then later floppy ring guides sometime around
> or after the Civil War. Snake guides were used prior to the turn of
> the century, but didn't catch on for a couple of decades. After WW2
> there were several short lived guides with cork screws or other catchy
> gimmicks. REC recoil guides are interesting, but they have yet to
> saturate the market. Buy what makes you happy, and rest easy that if
> you don't like them, they are fairly inexpensive compared to anything
> else going on the rod and they can be replaced if you don't like them.
> A lot of this is psychological. So if you have already made up in your
> mind what will make you happy on a rod, then by all means satisfy that
> desire. If you build a rod you love, then you will fish it more often,
> and that is a good thing.
>
> The Sharkskin lines cast a lot like the old silk lines. They make a
> lot of noise, but they do cast well. But I don't have much need for
> long distance casts.
>
> Scott
>
> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Chuck Alexander
> mailto:chuckalexan...@hughes.net>> wrote:
>
> I think the slickness of the guides, and the shape of the guides
>  on the regular eyes that have the (usually plastic) inserts, if
> those are oval, round etc, I would think that would speed up, or
> slow down a line. My 1 1/2 cents worth, Chuck
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Don Ordes"  <mailto:f...@tribcsp.com>>
>
> To: mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com>>
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [VFB] Rene- guides
>
>
>
> Rene,
> I dunno... the slickness of the guide material would seem to
> be more
> important than the shape, it you're like shooting the line.
>  Otherwise, it
> don't seem to matter much.
> That new Sharkskin flyline claims to move thru the guides easier.
> Anyone use that yet?
>
> D
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Rene Zillmann"
> mailto:rene.zillm...@t-online.de>>
> To: mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com>>
> Sent: Friday, September 

Re: [VFB] Rene- guides

[Larry Johnson]

Scott:  Lots of good advice in your post.  Thanks for sharing your wisdom and 
expertise.

Larry J 

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Re: [VFB] Rene- guides

[Scott Bearden]

If double hauling is your thing and you need to reach way out and shoot
line, then the slickness of the guides will dramatically help your cast. Buy
the very best ceramic inserts you can buy. Don't buy the cheap knock offs,
buy Fuji and do all the guides, the stripper, and the tip top. Begin each
fishing session with a clean and lubricated line or none of this will amount
to much. Personally I would only do this on salt water rods or maybe salmon
or steelhead rods. If you are casting beyond 50 or so feet in fresh water
for trout then I have to question how you can cast to a particular rising
fish, or see even a size 14 adams, let alone a size 20 midge. Or for that
matter, how do you get a good drift with multiple currents between you and
the fish?

Just to give you guys an idea of how gimmicky this stuff can be, just a
decade ago teflon coated guides were available for custom rod builders and
they didn't last long. Unfortunately fishing equipment is subject to the
same rules of consumerism as anything else. Consumers get bored with
otherwise outstanding products if they are not tweaked and labeled
"improved" over last year's model. If you look over time, the first guides
were just a tip top guide and you beached the fish after swinging a brace of
a dozen or more flies through a pool of fish. Then someone decided they
wanted to retrieve the line, so they added trumpet guides and then later
floppy ring guides sometime around or after the Civil War. Snake guides were
used prior to the turn of the century, but didn't catch on for a couple of
decades. After WW2 there were several short lived guides with cork screws or
other catchy gimmicks. REC recoil guides are interesting, but they have yet
to saturate the market. Buy what makes you happy, and rest easy that if you
don't like them, they are fairly inexpensive compared to anything else going
on the rod and they can be replaced if you don't like them. A lot of this is
psychological. So if you have already made up in your mind what will make
you happy on a rod, then by all means satisfy that desire. If you build a
rod you love, then you will fish it more often, and that is a good thing.

The Sharkskin lines cast a lot like the old silk lines. They make a lot of
noise, but they do cast well. But I don't have much need for long distance
casts.

Scott

On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Chuck Alexander
wrote:

> I think the slickness of the guides, and the shape of the guides  on the
> regular eyes that have the (usually plastic) inserts, if those are oval,
> round etc, I would think that would speed up, or slow down a line. My 1 1/2
> cents worth, Chuck
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Don Ordes" 
>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [VFB] Rene- guides
>
>
>
>  Rene,
>> I dunno... the slickness of the guide material would seem to be more
>> important than the shape, it you're like shooting the line.  Otherwise, it
>> don't seem to matter much.
>> That new Sharkskin flyline claims to move thru the guides easier.
>> Anyone use that yet?
>>
>> D
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Rene Zillmann" <
>> rene.zillm...@t-online.de>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 12:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [VFB] Rene-
>>
>>
>>  Hi Don,
>>> to the snake/loop guides. When I look at my forecast and with the snake
>>> guides, the line sticks more at the rod's blank, than with single foot
>>> guides. they ensure a bit more distance. Fo the backcast I see no
>>> difference in this point.
>>> your thought?
>>> Rene
>>>
>>> Don Ordes wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is a question for our intrepid Tony the Tiger.
>>>> I have both loop guides (single foot) and snake guides (double foot),
>>>> and I can't feel a difference.
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [VFB] Rene- guides

[Chuck Alexander]

I think the slickness of the guides, and the shape of the guides  on the 
regular eyes that have the (usually plastic) inserts, if those are oval, 
round etc, I would think that would speed up, or slow down a line. My 1 1/2 
cents worth, Chuck



- Original Message - 
From: "Don Ordes" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [VFB] Rene- guides



Rene,
I dunno... the slickness of the guide material would seem to be more
important than the shape, it you're like shooting the line.  Otherwise, it
don't seem to matter much.
That new Sharkskin flyline claims to move thru the guides easier.
Anyone use that yet?

D


- Original Message - 
From: "Rene Zillmann" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [VFB] Rene-



Hi Don,
to the snake/loop guides. When I look at my forecast and with the snake
guides, the line sticks more at the rod's blank, than with single foot
guides. they ensure a bit more distance. Fo the backcast I see no
difference in this point.
your thought?
Rene

Don Ordes wrote:

This is a question for our intrepid Tony the Tiger.
I have both loop guides (single foot) and snake guides (double foot),
and I can't feel a difference.



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Re: [VFB] Rene- guides

[Don Ordes]

Rene,
I dunno... the slickness of the guide material would seem to be more 
important than the shape, it you're like shooting the line.  Otherwise, it 
don't seem to matter much.

That new Sharkskin flyline claims to move thru the guides easier.
Anyone use that yet?

D


- Original Message - 
From: "Rene Zillmann" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [VFB] Rene-



Hi Don,
to the snake/loop guides. When I look at my forecast and with the snake
guides, the line sticks more at the rod's blank, than with single foot
guides. they ensure a bit more distance. Fo the backcast I see no
difference in this point.
your thought?
Rene

Don Ordes wrote:

This is a question for our intrepid Tony the Tiger.
I have both loop guides (single foot) and snake guides (double foot),
and I can't feel a difference.



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Re: [VFB] Rene-

[Rene Zillmann]

Hi Don,
to the snake/loop guides. When I look at my forecast and with the snake
guides, the line sticks more at the rod's blank, than with single foot
guides. they ensure a bit more distance. Fo the backcast I see no
difference in this point.
your thought?
Rene

Don Ordes wrote:
> This is a question for our intrepid Tony the Tiger.
> I have both loop guides (single foot) and snake guides (double foot),
> and I can't feel a difference.
>

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Re: [VFB] Rene-

[Rene Zillmann]

Hi Don,
don't know him. Wine was fine, I buy the stuff from a small winery,
family owned. So I know the guy behind, his plants and space.
It was red wine, not good as add on to fish, anyway.
Just got a call from my son, he wants me to take him fishing.
But, and now I will be banned... we will get some maggots and fish them.
He caught a medium size catfish on 'em and wants to repeat this.
Will not report later in this.
Rene


Don Ordes wrote:
> This is a question for our intrepid Tony the Tiger.
> I have both loop guides (single foot) and snake guides (double foot),
> and I can't feel a difference.
>
> On that wine, Rene, were you like Justin Wilson (famous Cajun celebrity)?
>

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Re: [VFB] Rene-

[Alan Di Somma]

Allan, Allan, Allan...
You are such a bad boy



Thank you,
Alan Di Somma

You know your a redneck when:

You burn your yard, instead of mowing it...


http://www.azflyfishing.net/
- Original Message - 
From: "Allan Fish" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:29 PM
Subject: [VFB] Rene-



>What is your opinion about single vs. snake guides?

I'm not skilled enough a caster to be able to say one is better than the 
other.




btw2: just finished my botttle of excellent red wine to the bbq, hope my
English is not to bad.. 


Actually, I think it improved your English!  ;-)


a.

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Re: [VFB] Rene-

[Chuck Alexander]

Ju-tan (Justin Wilson) say "cook dem rice" Heyyy How Ya'll 
a. Glad you can see me today yeah LOL I hated to hear it when that 
man died a few years agao. . Oops.. He died while cooking a fish... Had to 
put that in there where it's ON TOPIC LOL, Chuckles






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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [VFB] Rene-



This is a question for our intrepid Tony the Tiger.
I have both loop guides (single foot) and snake guides (double foot), and 
I

can't feel a difference.

On that wine, Rene, were you like Justin Wilson (famous Cajun celebrity)?

"...Now add a lil' whine to de bbq sauce, and a lil' whine fo' me.
Den take a tase.
Now add a lil' mo whine to da sauce, and a lil' mo whine fo me.
Take anudda tase & repeat.
When de whine is awl gone, de bbq sauce is dun."

DonO

- Original Message - 
From: "Allan Fish" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:29 PM
Subject: [VFB] Rene-



>What is your opinion about single vs. snake guides?

I'm not skilled enough a caster to be able to say one is better than the
other.



btw2: just finished my botttle of excellent red wine to the bbq, hope my
English is not to bad.. 


Actually, I think it improved your English!  ;-)


a.

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Re: [VFB] Rene-

[Don Ordes]

This is a question for our intrepid Tony the Tiger.
I have both loop guides (single foot) and snake guides (double foot), and I 
can't feel a difference.


On that wine, Rene, were you like Justin Wilson (famous Cajun celebrity)?

"...Now add a lil' whine to de bbq sauce, and a lil' whine fo' me.
Den take a tase.
Now add a lil' mo whine to da sauce, and a lil' mo whine fo me.
Take anudda tase & repeat.
When de whine is awl gone, de bbq sauce is dun."

DonO

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From: "Allan Fish" 

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Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:29 PM
Subject: [VFB] Rene-



>What is your opinion about single vs. snake guides?

I'm not skilled enough a caster to be able to say one is better than the 
other.




btw2: just finished my botttle of excellent red wine to the bbq, hope my
English is not to bad.. 


Actually, I think it improved your English!  ;-)


a.

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