Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere

2012-10-14 Thread BobH
Something I was taught was to lightly coat the hook shank with cement then wrap 
with thread.  Halt-hitch after each step.  The guy who taght me said if you can 
spin the fly on the hook after tying it would only last a fish or two.  
Material was just to expensive.  Also he did not use a bobbin this was in the 
dark ages pre-genetic hackles.  The only way I got material was thru Herter's & 
scrounging

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From: Alan Di Somma 
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Brian;


One of the things I do to make my flies more durable is to put half hitches in 
at every junction.


But like you say, not too pretty.


I tie mine to catch fish and sometimes I do weird little things like leaving 
off one claw of a craw dad. Or I will put less feet on one side or make one leg 
of a hopper shorter or cut in half.

I think it provokes strike because the fish see it as injured and a quick meal.


You won't find that on the commercially tied flies.

Thank you,


Alan Di Somma




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Thank You,

Alan Di Somma

Phoenix, AZ.


On Oct 12, 2012, at 1:39 AM, "Brian Burgess"  
wrote:

I am sure if I put any of my flies up for sale 

there would be a lot of people asking for their money back.

There are never two that look the same and are not the prettiest of flies but 
they catch the occassional fish before they fall apart or fly off into the 
nearest tree.

 

Just tied my first pike flies so will be interesting to see how long they last.

 

Thinking about it though even if I were good enough to sell I am sure there 
must be an easier way to make a living.

 

Good tying and fishing to you all

 

Birdie

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Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere- the early years of tying

2012-10-14 Thread Don Ordes
Now we are getting into my neighborhood, lol.  I too started tying without much 
to work with, and no stores or other flytiers or flyfishermen to help 
(Metairie, Louisiana, late 50's).

Tying with lengths of thread rather than a bobbin made for frugal wrappings, 
and without the weight of the bobbin to hold the last loops tight, 
half-hitching was crucial- no other way.  Even then, one bluegill and my fly 
fell apart.  Had no head cement and didn't know what a whip finish was.

For a long time I tied without a vise, so my left hand fingers became adept at 
multi-tasking, something that is natural to me even to this day.  Like Bob, my 
BB-gun was my materials procurement department.  Roadkill had to be 1st hand, 
or it was buggy (southern heat).  Then I got my 1st kit from Sears.  What a 
change that made, but I never lost the basics.  I still have a baggie of some 
of the materials from that kit, just as a keep-sake- will never use it.  

DonO 
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  From: BobH 
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 8:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere


  Yep but we a lot fun!!!  I can remember saving every little feather.  
Shooting rabbits starlings and other assorted critters.  What a great gift when 
someone would give me their deer hide or my folks told me I could spend $20 & 
order from Herter's!!

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  From: Anthony Spezio 
  Sent: Sun Oct 14 09:59:29 EDT 2012
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  Subject: Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere


Bob,
You had to do it that way or the material would fall off the hook. Yes 
I started tying in the dark ages.
Tony

--- On Sun, 10/14/12, BobH  wrote:


  From: BobH 
          Subject: Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
  Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 8:56 AM


  Something I was taught was to lightly coat the hook shank with cement 
then wrap with thread.  Halt-hitch after each step.  The guy who taght me said 
if you can spin the fly on the hook after tying it would only last a fish or 
two.  Material was just to expensive.  Also he did not use a bobbin this was in 
the dark ages pre-
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  From: Alan Di Somma 
  Sent: Fri Oct 12 09:56:05 EDT 2012
  To: "vfb-mail@googlegroups.com" 
      Subject: Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere



  Brian;


  One of the things I do to make my flies more durable is to put half 
hitches in at every junction.


  But like you say, not too pretty.


  I tie mine to catch fish and sometimes I do weird little things like 
leaving off one claw of a craw dad. Or I will put less feet on one side or make 
one leg of a hopper shorter or cut in half.
  I think it provokes strike because the fish see it as injured and a 
quick meal.


  You won't find that on the commercially tied flies.


  Thank you,


  Alan Di Somma






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  Thank You,
  Alan Di Somma
  Phoenix, AZ.

  On Oct 12, 2012, at 1:39 AM, "Brian Burgess" 
 wrote:


I am sure if I put any of my flies up for sale 
there would be a lot of people asking for their money back.
There are never two that look the same and are not the prettiest of 
flies but they catch the occassional fish before they fall apart or fly off 
into the nearest tree.

Just tied my first pike flies so will be interesting to see how 
long they last.

Thinking about it though even if I were good enough to sell I am 
sure there must be an easier way to make a living.

Good tying and fishing to you all

Birdie
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Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere

2012-10-14 Thread BobH
Yep but we a lot fun!!!  I can remember saving every little feather.  Shooting 
rabbits starlings and other assorted critters.  What a great gift when someone 
would give me their deer hide or my folks told me I could spend $20 & order 
from Herter's!!

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From: Anthony Spezio 
Sent: Sun Oct 14 09:59:29 EDT 2012
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere


Bob,

You had to do it that way or the material would fall off the hook. Yes I 
started tying in the dark ages.

Tony

--- On Sun, 10/14/12, BobH  wrote:


From: BobH 
Subject: Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 8:56 AM

Something I was taught was to lightly coat the hook shank with cement then wrap 
with thread.  Halt-hitch after each step.  The guy who taght me said if you can 
spin the fly on the hook after tying it would only last a fish or two.  
Material was just to expensive.  Also he did not use a bobbin this was in the 
dark ages pre-

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From: Alan Di Somma 
Sent: Fri Oct 12 09:56:05 EDT 2012
To: "vfb-mail@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere


Brian;


One of the things I do to make my flies more durable is to put half hitches in 
at every junction.


But like you say, not too pretty.


I tie mine to catch fish and sometimes I do weird little things like leaving 
off one claw of a craw dad. Or I will put less feet on one side or make one leg 
of a hopper shorter or cut in half.

I think it provokes strike because the fish see it as injured and a quick meal.


You won't find that on the commercially tied flies.

Thank you,


Alan Di Somma




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Thank You,

Alan Di Somma

Phoenix, AZ.


On Oct 12, 2012, at 1:39 AM, "Brian Burgess"  
wrote:

I am sure if I put any of my flies up for sale 

there would be a lot of people asking for their money back.

There are never two that look the same and are not the prettiest of flies but 
they catch the occassional fish before they fall apart or fly off into the 
nearest tree.

 

Just tied my first pike flies so will be interesting to see how long they last.

 

Thinking about it though even if I were good enough to sell I am sure there 
must be an easier way to make a living.

 

Good tying and fishing to you all

 

Birdie

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Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere

2012-10-14 Thread Anthony Spezio
Bob,
You had to do it that way or the material would fall off the hook. Yes I 
started tying in the dark ages.
Tony

--- On Sun, 10/14/12, BobH  wrote:


From: BobH 
Subject: Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 8:56 AM




Something I was taught was to lightly coat the hook shank with cement then wrap 
with thread.  Halt-hitch after each step.  The guy who taght me said if you can 
spin the fly on the hook after tying it would only last a fish or two.  
Material was just to expensive.  Also he did not use a bobbin this was in the 
dark ages pre-
Sent from my Kindle Fire




From: Alan Di Somma 
Sent: Fri Oct 12 09:56:05 EDT 2012
To: "vfb-mail@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere


Brian;


One of the things I do to make my flies more durable is to put half hitches in 
at every junction.


But like you say, not too pretty.


I tie mine to catch fish and sometimes I do weird little things like leaving 
off one claw of a craw dad. Or I will put less feet on one side or make one leg 
of a hopper shorter or cut in half.
I think it provokes strike because the fish see it as injured and a quick meal.


You won't find that on the commercially tied flies.


Thank you,


Alan Di Somma





Sent from my iPad






Thank You,
Alan Di Somma
Phoenix, AZ.

On Oct 12, 2012, at 1:39 AM, "Brian Burgess"  
wrote:






I am sure if I put any of my flies up for sale 
there would be a lot of people asking for their money back.
There are never two that look the same and are not the prettiest of flies but 
they catch the occassional fish before they fall apart or fly off into the 
nearest tree.
 
Just tied my first pike flies so will be interesting to see how long they last.
 
Thinking about it though even if I were good enough to sell I am sure there 
must be an easier way to make a living.
 
Good tying and fishing to you all
 
Birdie
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Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere

2012-10-14 Thread BobH
Something I was taught was to lightly coat the hook shank with cement then wrap 
with thread.  Halt-hitch after each step.  The guy who taght me said if you can 
spin the fly on the hook after tying it would only last a fish or two.  
Material was just to expensive.  Also he did not use a bobbin this was in the 
dark ages pre-

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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From: Alan Di Somma 
Sent: Fri Oct 12 09:56:05 EDT 2012
To: "vfb-mail@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere


Brian;


One of the things I do to make my flies more durable is to put half hitches in 
at every junction.


But like you say, not too pretty.


I tie mine to catch fish and sometimes I do weird little things like leaving 
off one claw of a craw dad. Or I will put less feet on one side or make one leg 
of a hopper shorter or cut in half.

I think it provokes strike because the fish see it as injured and a quick meal.


You won't find that on the commercially tied flies.

Thank you,


Alan Di Somma




Sent from my iPad




Thank You,

Alan Di Somma

Phoenix, AZ.


On Oct 12, 2012, at 1:39 AM, "Brian Burgess"  
wrote:

I am sure if I put any of my flies up for sale 

there would be a lot of people asking for their money back.

There are never two that look the same and are not the prettiest of flies but 
they catch the occassional fish before they fall apart or fly off into the 
nearest tree.

 

Just tied my first pike flies so will be interesting to see how long they last.

 

Thinking about it though even if I were good enough to sell I am sure there 
must be an easier way to make a living.

 

Good tying and fishing to you all

 

Birdie

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Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere

2012-10-12 Thread Anthony Spezio
The eyes on the Foggie are round head pins. If one is missing the other will 
make a wake on only one side.
Tony

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From: Alan Di Somma 
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I guess that's because it can't see where it's goingducking & running


Thank you,


Alan Di Somma





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On Oct 12, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Anthony Spezio  wrote:








I think on the retrive the wake is different with one eye,
Tony

--- On Fri, 10/12/12, Alan Di Somma  wrote:


From: Alan Di Somma 
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To: "vfb-mail@googlegroups.com" 
Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 11:35 AM




I like they idea. I will have to try that on my next frog.


Thank you,


Alan Di Somma





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Thank You,
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Phoenix, AZ.

On Oct 12, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Anthony Spezio  wrote:








Alan,
In my Froggies, I have noticed if I might loose one eye, it is more effective.
Tony

--- On Fri, 10/12/12, Alan Di Somma  wrote:


From: Alan Di Somma 
Subject: Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere
To: "vfb-mail@googlegroups.com" 
Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 8:56 AM




Brian;


One of the things I do to make my flies more durable is to put half hitches in 
at every junction.


But like you say, not too pretty.


I tie mine to catch fish and sometimes I do weird little things like leaving 
off one claw of a craw dad. Or I will put less feet on one side or make one leg 
of a hopper shorter or cut in half.
I think it provokes strike because the fish see it as injured and a quick meal.


You won't find that on the commercially tied flies.


Thank you,


Alan Di Somma





Sent from my iPad 






Thank You,
Alan Di Somma
Phoenix, AZ.

On Oct 12, 2012, at 1:39 AM, "Brian Burgess"  
wrote:






I am sure if I put any of my flies up for sale 
there would be a lot of people asking for their money back.
There are never two that look the same and are not the prettiest of flies but 
they catch the occassional fish before they fall apart or fly off into the 
nearest tree.
 
Just tied my first pike flies so will be interesting to see how long they last.
 
Thinking about it though even if I were good enough to sell I am sure there 
must be an easier way to make a living.
 
Good tying and fishing to you all
 
Birdie
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Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere

2012-10-12 Thread Alan Di Somma
I guess that's because it can't see where it's goingducking & running

Thank you,

Alan Di Somma



Sent from my iPad



Thank You,
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On Oct 12, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Anthony Spezio  wrote:

> 
> I think on the retrive the wake is different with one eye,
> Tony
> 
> --- On Fri, 10/12/12, Alan Di Somma  wrote:
> 
> From: Alan Di Somma 
> Subject: Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere
> To: "vfb-mail@googlegroups.com" 
> Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 11:35 AM
> 
> I like they idea. I will have to try that on my next frog.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Alan Di Somma
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
> 
> Thank You,
> Alan Di Somma
> Phoenix, AZ.
> 
> On Oct 12, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Anthony Spezio  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Alan,
>> In my Froggies, I have noticed if I might loose one eye, it is more 
>> effective.
>> Tony
>> 
>> --- On Fri, 10/12/12, Alan Di Somma  wrote:
>> 
>> From: Alan Di Somma 
>> Subject: Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere
>> To: "vfb-mail@googlegroups.com" 
>> Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 8:56 AM
>> 
>> Brian;
>> 
>> One of the things I do to make my flies more durable is to put half hitches 
>> in at every junction.
>> 
>> But like you say, not too pretty.
>> 
>> I tie mine to catch fish and sometimes I do weird little things like leaving 
>> off one claw of a craw dad. Or I will put less feet on one side or make one 
>> leg of a hopper shorter or cut in half.
>> I think it provokes strike because the fish see it as injured and a quick 
>> meal.
>> 
>> You won't find that on the commercially tied flies.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Alan Di Somma
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank You,
>> Alan Di Somma
>> Phoenix, AZ.
>> 
>> On Oct 12, 2012, at 1:39 AM, "Brian Burgess"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I am sure if I put any of my flies up for sale
>>> there would be a lot of people asking for their money back.
>>> There are never two that look the same and are not the prettiest of flies 
>>> but they catch the occassional fish before they fall apart or fly off into 
>>> the nearest tree.
>>>  
>>> Just tied my first pike flies so will be interesting to see how long they 
>>> last.
>>>  
>>> Thinking about it though even if I were good enough to sell I am sure there 
>>> must be an easier way to make a living.
>>>  
>>> Good tying and fishing to you all
>>>  
>>> Birdie
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Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere

2012-10-12 Thread Anthony Spezio
I think on the retrive the wake is different with one eye,
Tony

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Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 11:35 AM




I like they idea. I will have to try that on my next frog.


Thank you,


Alan Di Somma





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On Oct 12, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Anthony Spezio  wrote:








Alan,
In my Froggies, I have noticed if I might loose one eye, it is more effective.
Tony

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From: Alan Di Somma 
Subject: Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere
To: "vfb-mail@googlegroups.com" 
Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 8:56 AM




Brian;


One of the things I do to make my flies more durable is to put half hitches in 
at every junction.


But like you say, not too pretty.


I tie mine to catch fish and sometimes I do weird little things like leaving 
off one claw of a craw dad. Or I will put less feet on one side or make one leg 
of a hopper shorter or cut in half.
I think it provokes strike because the fish see it as injured and a quick meal.


You won't find that on the commercially tied flies.


Thank you,


Alan Di Somma





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On Oct 12, 2012, at 1:39 AM, "Brian Burgess"  
wrote:






I am sure if I put any of my flies up for sale 
there would be a lot of people asking for their money back.
There are never two that look the same and are not the prettiest of flies but 
they catch the occassional fish before they fall apart or fly off into the 
nearest tree.
 
Just tied my first pike flies so will be interesting to see how long they last.
 
Thinking about it though even if I were good enough to sell I am sure there 
must be an easier way to make a living.
 
Good tying and fishing to you all
 
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Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere

2012-10-12 Thread Alan Di Somma
I like they idea. I will have to try that on my next frog.

Thank you,

Alan Di Somma



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On Oct 12, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Anthony Spezio  wrote:

> 
> Alan,
> In my Froggies, I have noticed if I might loose one eye, it is more effective.
> Tony
> 
> --- On Fri, 10/12/12, Alan Di Somma  wrote:
> 
> From: Alan Di Somma 
> Subject: Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere
> To: "vfb-mail@googlegroups.com" 
> Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 8:56 AM
> 
> Brian;
> 
> One of the things I do to make my flies more durable is to put half hitches 
> in at every junction.
> 
> But like you say, not too pretty.
> 
> I tie mine to catch fish and sometimes I do weird little things like leaving 
> off one claw of a craw dad. Or I will put less feet on one side or make one 
> leg of a hopper shorter or cut in half.
> I think it provokes strike because the fish see it as injured and a quick 
> meal.
> 
> You won't find that on the commercially tied flies.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Alan Di Somma
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
> 
> Thank You,
> Alan Di Somma
> Phoenix, AZ.
> 
> On Oct 12, 2012, at 1:39 AM, "Brian Burgess"  
> wrote:
> 
>> I am sure if I put any of my flies up for sale
>> there would be a lot of people asking for their money back.
>> There are never two that look the same and are not the prettiest of flies 
>> but they catch the occassional fish before they fall apart or fly off into 
>> the nearest tree.
>>  
>> Just tied my first pike flies so will be interesting to see how long they 
>> last.
>>  
>> Thinking about it though even if I were good enough to sell I am sure there 
>> must be an easier way to make a living.
>>  
>> Good tying and fishing to you all
>>  
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Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere

2012-10-12 Thread Anthony Spezio
Alan,
In my Froggies, I have noticed if I might loose one eye, it is more effective.
Tony

--- On Fri, 10/12/12, Alan Di Somma  wrote:


From: Alan Di Somma 
Subject: Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere
To: "vfb-mail@googlegroups.com" 
Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 8:56 AM




Brian;


One of the things I do to make my flies more durable is to put half hitches in 
at every junction.


But like you say, not too pretty.


I tie mine to catch fish and sometimes I do weird little things like leaving 
off one claw of a craw dad. Or I will put less feet on one side or make one leg 
of a hopper shorter or cut in half.
I think it provokes strike because the fish see it as injured and a quick meal.


You won't find that on the commercially tied flies.


Thank you,


Alan Di Somma





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I am sure if I put any of my flies up for sale 
there would be a lot of people asking for their money back.
There are never two that look the same and are not the prettiest of flies but 
they catch the occassional fish before they fall apart or fly off into the 
nearest tree.
 
Just tied my first pike flies so will be interesting to see how long they last.
 
Thinking about it though even if I were good enough to sell I am sure there 
must be an easier way to make a living.
 
Good tying and fishing to you all
 
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Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere

2012-10-12 Thread Alan Di Somma
Brian;

One of the things I do to make my flies more durable is to put half hitches in 
at every junction.

But like you say, not too pretty.

I tie mine to catch fish and sometimes I do weird little things like leaving 
off one claw of a craw dad. Or I will put less feet on one side or make one leg 
of a hopper shorter or cut in half.
I think it provokes strike because the fish see it as injured and a quick meal.

You won't find that on the commercially tied flies.

Thank you,

Alan Di Somma



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On Oct 12, 2012, at 1:39 AM, "Brian Burgess"  
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> I am sure if I put any of my flies up for sale
> there would be a lot of people asking for their money back.
> There are never two that look the same and are not the prettiest of flies but 
> they catch the occassional fish before they fall apart or fly off into the 
> nearest tree.
>  
> Just tied my first pike flies so will be interesting to see how long they 
> last.
>  
> Thinking about it though even if I were good enough to sell I am sure there 
> must be an easier way to make a living.
>  
> Good tying and fishing to you all
>  
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Re: [VFB] selling flies anywhere

2012-10-12 Thread Rick Zieger
I have been contacted to tie a few of the patterns I came up with for fly shops.
By the time I would buy the hooks tey want used, get the permits and stuff for 
taxes there would not be any money made for a long time.  Over half of what 
they wannbted to pay for the fly would be involved in materials.
I tie for me and give some away.
 
Rick 


 

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