Re: [videoblogging] Advertising and personal vlogs : Was, Blip doesn't love me anymore?
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[videoblogging] Advertising and personal vlogs : Was, Blip doesn't love me anymore?
I'm sure we're all aware that they've been switching their focus away from people like us and from YouTube clip content, to position themselves more strongly as The Web TV Show People. It's obvious that videoblogging isn't going to make anybody any money by itself, but on the other hand there are a lot of people out there who use Blip because it's a fantastic video sharing site, with a great set of features - better than YouTube. Seems to me that things like your videos are just sensible free social marketing for them - showing off why Blip is great to people who usually just see YouTube embeds. It's funny you should bring this up, as I have been wondering for a while now, what the future of the type of video blogging I do is. When I say I, I mean people who shoot mainly personal video's and don't have the ad's set to on. All these video hosting sites need to find a way to make money, charging for HD content is one (Google doesn't count as they have more money than the whole world and YT probably doesn't cost them anything, contray to some reports), limiting what you can upload and adding advertisments. Now at one time adding advertisments to any personal vlog would cause a massive flame war here with anyone who suggested that advertisments were not all bad, that person would forever be branded a heritic and cast out..Butif Blip doesn't make any money, then...bye, bye video's... So...what to do? Allow advererts? Or just hope that blip never goes away? Self host? (which may or may not be an issue) I mean long gone are the days when you could see a Josh Leo or Paul or a Steve or just a personal vlogger on Blip's homepage or showcase pages..It is about being a desitantion for shows on the web Which is fine, I mean they need to make money like anyone else and they are still the most creater friendly group I know of...this is not a bash of blip but more of a question of where do we go from here? thing... It's a very real possiblity that the only free game in town someday will be YT This email is a little all over the place but hopefully the main point is coming across...will the little guy eventually get shut out? Will it just be a small little market with a handfull of us just making personal vid's because we can? I'm going to be in NY tomorrow and Friday, maybe I should just drop by blip and ask them? lol Heath http://heathparks.com/blog --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert Howe rup...@... wrote: Seems to me that you're being misunderstood. The weird thing is that it seems almost deliberate. It reads like their stock position is that if anybody asks whether something they're doing breaches the ToS, they should err on the side of caution in their response and just say No. My personal reading of what you're doing is that it's fine under their ToS, but it's a bit depressing to see this kind of response from them, that doesn't seem to be trying to help you out or understand what it is that you're trying to do. Especially when they used to handle all support requests more quickly and positively than anyone else. I'm sure we're all aware that they've been switching their focus away from people like us and from YouTube clip content, to position themselves more strongly as The Web TV Show People. It's obvious that videoblogging isn't going to make anybody any money by itself, but on the other hand there are a lot of people out there who use Blip because it's a fantastic video sharing site, with a great set of features - better than YouTube. Seems to me that things like your videos are just sensible free social marketing for them - showing off why Blip is great to people who usually just see YouTube embeds. But perhaps the weight of HD content being uploaded to their servers, which they have to transcode and stream out, is costing them too much to be worth it. And I guess videoblogs and marketing and commercial videos often opt out of advertising, therefore don't make Blip any money. I know Vimeo banned videogame screencasts because they were costing too much in terms of processing time and bandwidth. Perhaps that's why Blip say We are not a good solution for screencasts - even though they're actually a great solution for your kind of screencasts. So. Add some post-roll adverts onto your videos, make them some money, and see how keen they are to nuke your account after that ;) Rupert On 28-Oct-09, at 1:24 PM, Adam Warner wrote: Hi all, I'm disappointed to learn that Blip.tv is discouraging me from hosting my videos. I'm especially disappointed because I have been using Blip since the beta days (under two accounts). I feel like I've just been kicked in the gut. This email to the group is intended to ask your opinion on whether I should continue with Blip.tv and if not, I would really
Re: [videoblogging] Advertising and personal vlogs : Was, Blip doesn't love me anymore?
Seems like the 80/20 rule will likely apply here. 20% of the content should have enough viewers and ad revenues to subsidize the rest of us little guys. Not that I'm looking to free load. I use Blip not only because it's free, but because it has cool features that YouTube can't match. However, my stuff is more of a hodge podge of personal videoblogging, educational stuff, etc, not a dedicated show with a script, theme, episodes, etc. Just out of curiosity, I wonder what the average viewer number is for some of the big shows? And by the same token, what sort of revenue that brings in. And, at the same time, how many people subscribe or regularly watch episodes of a show. From everything I have read, web video viewers are a fickle bunch. You'd have to have something special to keep serving up ads to the same viewers over and over again. -- Chad F. Boeninger libraryvoice.com - blog libraryvoice.com/videos - videoblog twitter.com/cfboeninger On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:12 PM, hpbatman7 heathpa...@msn.com wrote: I'm sure we're all aware that they've been switching their focus away from people like us and from YouTube clip content, to position themselves more strongly as The Web TV Show People. It's obvious that videoblogging isn't going to make anybody any money by itself, but on the other hand there are a lot of people out there who use Blip because it's a fantastic video sharing site, with a great set of features - better than YouTube. Seems to me that things like your videos are just sensible free social marketing for them - showing off why Blip is great to people who usually just see YouTube embeds. It's funny you should bring this up, as I have been wondering for a while now, what the future of the type of video blogging I do is. When I say I, I mean people who shoot mainly personal video's and don't have the ad's set to on. All these video hosting sites need to find a way to make money, charging for HD content is one (Google doesn't count as they have more money than the whole world and YT probably doesn't cost them anything, contray to some reports), limiting what you can upload and adding advertisments. Now at one time adding advertisments to any personal vlog would cause a massive flame war here with anyone who suggested that advertisments were not all bad, that person would forever be branded a heritic and cast out..Butif Blip doesn't make any money, then...bye, bye video's... So...what to do? Allow advererts? Or just hope that blip never goes away? Self host? (which may or may not be an issue) I mean long gone are the days when you could see a Josh Leo or Paul or a Steve or just a personal vlogger on Blip's homepage or showcase pages..It is about being a desitantion for shows on the web Which is fine, I mean they need to make money like anyone else and they are still the most creater friendly group I know of...this is not a bash of blip but more of a question of where do we go from here? thing... It's a very real possiblity that the only free game in town someday will be YT This email is a little all over the place but hopefully the main point is coming across...will the little guy eventually get shut out? Will it just be a small little market with a handfull of us just making personal vid's because we can? I'm going to be in NY tomorrow and Friday, maybe I should just drop by blip and ask them? lol Heath http://heathparks.com/blog --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Rupert Howe rup...@... wrote: Seems to me that you're being misunderstood. The weird thing is that it seems almost deliberate. It reads like their stock position is that if anybody asks whether something they're doing breaches the ToS, they should err on the side of caution in their response and just say No. My personal reading of what you're doing is that it's fine under their ToS, but it's a bit depressing to see this kind of response from them, that doesn't seem to be trying to help you out or understand what it is that you're trying to do. Especially when they used to handle all support requests more quickly and positively than anyone else. I'm sure we're all aware that they've been switching their focus away from people like us and from YouTube clip content, to position themselves more strongly as The Web TV Show People. It's obvious that videoblogging isn't going to make anybody any money by itself, but on the other hand there are a lot of people out there who use Blip because it's a fantastic video sharing site, with a great set of features - better than YouTube. Seems to me that things like your videos are just sensible free social marketing for them - showing off why Blip is great to people who usually just see YouTube embeds. But perhaps the weight of HD content being uploaded to their servers, which they have to transcode and stream out, is costing them too much
RE: [videoblogging] Advertising and personal vlogs : Was, Blip doesn't love me anymore?
Yes, by all means, do stop by! Eric Mortensen wrote a response to the original thread, but his answer seems to be awaiting moderation? From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogg...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hpbatman7 Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 16:13 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Advertising and personal vlogs : Was, Blip doesn't love me anymore? I'm sure we're all aware that they've been switching their focus away from people like us and from YouTube clip content, to position themselves more strongly as The Web TV Show People. It's obvious that videoblogging isn't going to make anybody any money by itself, but on the other hand there are a lot of people out there who use Blip because it's a fantastic video sharing site, with a great set of features - better than YouTube. Seems to me that things like your videos are just sensible free social marketing for them - showing off why Blip is great to people who usually just see YouTube embeds. It's funny you should bring this up, as I have been wondering for a while now, what the future of the type of video blogging I do is. When I say I, I mean people who shoot mainly personal video's and don't have the ad's set to on. All these video hosting sites need to find a way to make money, charging for HD content is one (Google doesn't count as they have more money than the whole world and YT probably doesn't cost them anything, contray to some reports), limiting what you can upload and adding advertisments. Now at one time adding advertisments to any personal vlog would cause a massive flame war here with anyone who suggested that advertisments were not all bad, that person would forever be branded a heritic and cast out..Butif Blip doesn't make any money, then...bye, bye video's... So...what to do? Allow advererts? Or just hope that blip never goes away? Self host? (which may or may not be an issue) I mean long gone are the days when you could see a Josh Leo or Paul or a Steve or just a personal vlogger on Blip's homepage or showcase pages..It is about being a desitantion for shows on the web Which is fine, I mean they need to make money like anyone else and they are still the most creater friendly group I know of...this is not a bash of blip but more of a question of where do we go from here? thing... It's a very real possiblity that the only free game in town someday will be YT This email is a little all over the place but hopefully the main point is coming across...will the little guy eventually get shut out? Will it just be a small little market with a handfull of us just making personal vid's because we can? I'm going to be in NY tomorrow and Friday, maybe I should just drop by blip and ask them? lol Heath http://heathparks.com/blog --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com , Rupert Howe rup...@... wrote: Seems to me that you're being misunderstood. The weird thing is that it seems almost deliberate. It reads like their stock position is that if anybody asks whether something they're doing breaches the ToS, they should err on the side of caution in their response and just say No. My personal reading of what you're doing is that it's fine under their ToS, but it's a bit depressing to see this kind of response from them, that doesn't seem to be trying to help you out or understand what it is that you're trying to do. Especially when they used to handle all support requests more quickly and positively than anyone else. I'm sure we're all aware that they've been switching their focus away from people like us and from YouTube clip content, to position themselves more strongly as The Web TV Show People. It's obvious that videoblogging isn't going to make anybody any money by itself, but on the other hand there are a lot of people out there who use Blip because it's a fantastic video sharing site, with a great set of features - better than YouTube. Seems to me that things like your videos are just sensible free social marketing for them - showing off why Blip is great to people who usually just see YouTube embeds. But perhaps the weight of HD content being uploaded to their servers, which they have to transcode and stream out, is costing them too much to be worth it. And I guess videoblogs and marketing and commercial videos often opt out of advertising, therefore don't make Blip any money. I know Vimeo banned videogame screencasts because they were costing too much in terms of processing time and bandwidth. Perhaps that's why Blip say We are not a good solution for screencasts - even though they're actually a great solution for your kind of screencasts. So. Add some post-roll adverts onto your videos, make them some money, and see how keen they are to nuke your account after that ;) Rupert On 28-Oct-09, at 1:24 PM, Adam Warner wrote: Hi
Re: [videoblogging] Advertising and personal vlogs : Was, Blip doesn't love me anymore?
I love blip.tv because the video quality looks great (closest to source) I like how they post the embed codes download links as I'm basically a lazy (timepoor) person and like them so I don't have to think as much. youtube compresses a lot. I suppose the other option is to upload onto our own servers as in general (for me at least), since they're personal/niche videos they're not getting a lot of views so likely wouldn't throw out the bandwidth costs too much. I'd have to shift hosting sites though as I'm still on my orig one which doesn't have the large storage like some of the US cheaper ones. this would mean people would miss out on the traffic they might get from people browsing all/topic vids on sites like blip/vimeo - the community aspects. but I guess if it happened, there'd be other video curation sites popping up where people can post urls for viewers to browse it wouldn't matter where they were hosted. (like Andrew Baron's new site? haven't played there much yet) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
