Re: [videoblogging] Can vloggers hack mountains
Great message, Robert.Maybe it's time to reignite http://vlogathon.org/ ?SullOn 4/20/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all,The press appears to be cubbying peeps who make video (i.e., personal,documentary, comedy, etc.) and vlog it into types, which is notnecessarily good or bad. I'm wondering if vloggers can leverage this tendency.Also, as you know, I'm particularly interested in education andhumanitarian projects and am curious how many vloggers have set theirfocus on such projects.More, I tried to drum up support earlier this week for Jon's Nata Villagehttp://natavillage.orgendeavour, and I don't believe a lot of vloggers have yet blogged aboutor re-vlogged the project though I did notice a few. Certainly a bit of press for such projects, not only Nata Village, has the potential toimprove the finances, and in the Nata case that money, per the blog,goes fully to the village. If I'm wrong and a lot of you haveparticipated by vlogging or directly donating I'll stand corrected, which I would certainly prefer.Does anyone have insight into how many vloggers have focused in on andworking towards a particular educational or humanitarian topics, Ithink it would be cool to help the press see that category, not only from the perspective of those in the category but for vloggers ingeneral.Wasn't vlogging going to be a tool to help change / improve the world?Wouldn't it help differentiate vloggers from those, who happen to be of great number, who just post entertaining video (not that I haveanything against that, I attempt to do a bit of it myself)?And speaking of saving the world, or at least the Internet, have a lookat this, is there a possibility it can help? http://pulver.com/savethenet/Perhaps it's the fine weather here in NYC today, I'm feeling there's anopportunity to hack a few mountains out there. Can we make a list of those vlogging towards a non-entertainment goal, a new category for thepress and for us?/ramblingcheersrDeconstructing the status quo, collaborativelymy vlog: http://r.24x7.comreliable hosting: http://foo.24x7.com-- Sullhttp://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Can vloggers hack mountains
Sorry... after writing this, I feel its out of context... but maybe not!When the early blogging revolution, it swiftly took a variety of forms that affected the world in ways never before imagined. For instance, I still remember the Salam Pax times... the kind of notice it got and the insight it gave to the readers. In our part of the world, Fadereu and some of us who created CSF, which was the first time anyone had attempted to republish text messages coming from Tsunami-torn Sri Lankan relief workers/friends as blog entries. The turn around time of the news was faster than any news agency could have managed, and it was sheer genius of Fadereu's brain. There are several other instances where blogging helped turn the wheel of events towards a more logical and sensible one. Enter videoblogging. The original motive (and perhaps still) was to reform Media (in a bigger sense of the word), to make it more personal, human, to rid it of its blockages, impurities... to create a direct channel from the creator to the audience. This revolution saw several bright spots in its short span as well. Take the Tsunami videos, or the other water-disasters...Unfortunately (and perhaps its my dark state of mind from listening to too many Opeth songs today), it never really ended up evolving into a tool that would be taken notice by the powers that rule. Instead, it took a natural course (entertainment, sex, comedy), and even though there were some interesting voices that could be heard from around, the collective "tag-chatter" (which is completely go along with pop-culture) now manages to suppress anything "uninteresting" to the popular mass. And of course, "uninteresting" has nothing to do with "unimportant" or "irrelevant". Am I wrong? For instance, let's take the Iran Nuclear issue that has resurfaced again... where is it going? Is it another conflict down the road? Shouldn't we wonder about the inclinations of the political machine? Or is it too sensitive an issue? Will Vlogging elevate to the level of strength that blogging garnered once? Feeling dark again. Perhaps I will just return to my Porcupine Tree album (In Absentia) and just exist!Cheers,Desoumalhttp://csfvlog.blogspot.comhttp://www.afilmonthreewheels.comhttp://lilithsmirrors.blogspot.com On 21-Apr-06, at 6:24 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote: Great message, Robert.Maybe it's time to reignite http://vlogathon.org/ ?SullOn 4/20/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all,The press appears to be cubbying peeps who make video (i.e., personal,documentary, comedy, etc.) and vlog it into types, which is notnecessarily good or bad. I'm wondering if vloggers can leverage this tendency.Also, as you know, I'm particularly interested in education andhumanitarian projects and am curious how many vloggers have set theirfocus on such projects.More, I tried to drum up support earlier this week for Jon's Nata Villagehttp://natavillage.orgendeavour, and I don't believe a lot of vloggers have yet blogged aboutor re-vlogged the project though I did notice a few. Certainly a bit of press for such projects, not only Nata Village, has the potential toimprove the finances, and in the Nata case that money, per the blog,goes fully to the village. If I'm wrong and a lot of you haveparticipated by vlogging or directly donating I'll stand corrected, which I would certainly prefer.Does anyone have insight into how many vloggers have focused in on andworking towards a particular educational or humanitarian topics, Ithink it would be cool to help the press see that category, not only from the perspective of those in the category but for vloggers ingeneral.Wasn't vlogging going to be a tool to help change / improve the world?Wouldn't it help differentiate vloggers from those, who happen to be of great number, who just post entertaining video (not that I haveanything against that, I attempt to do a bit of it myself)?And speaking of saving the world, or at least the Internet, have a lookat this, is there a possibility it can help? http://pulver.com/savethenet/Perhaps it's the fine weather here in NYC today, I'm feeling there's anopportunity to hack a few mountains out there. Can we make a list of those vlogging towards a non-entertainment goal, a new category for thepress and for us?/ramblingcheersrDeconstructing the status quo, collaborativelymy vlog: http://r.24x7.comreliable hosting: http://foo.24x7.com-- Sullhttp://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group
Re: [videoblogging] Can vloggers hack mountains
On 4/21/06, Soumyadeep Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately (and perhaps its my dark state of mind from listening to too many Opeth songs today), it never really ended up evolving into a tool that would be taken notice by the powers that rule. Instead, it took a natural course (entertainment, sex, comedy), and even though there were some interesting voices that could be heard from around, the collective tag-chatter (which is completely go along with pop-culture) now manages to suppress anything uninteresting to the popular mass. And of course, uninteresting has nothing to do with unimportant or irrelevant. Am I wrong? I don't think it's out of context. I agree completely and have been trying to touch on a similar issue - that advertising and the old media TV and film model get in between those lines of communication. And that the desire to replicate TV and film on the web is drowning out the idea of people videobloggging to communicate. Hopefully, things like Vloggercon raising money for NODE101 will help. This way people can go out and create places that provide access to videoblogging technology where they wouldn't otherwise have it - where people can share their experiences and tell their stories and maybe do something other then try to replicate a medium that doesn't need replicating. -Verdi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Can vloggers hack mountains
The great thing about all of these experiments is we learn about attention. Why do we need to re-ignite vlogathon.com -- which had seemed like a good idea. Why don't peeps get more enthusiastic about social causes? Why did vlogging become the generic term for posting video on the internet? What good examples can we show where vlogging has already helped improve a social situation? Sull, I'd like nothing better than to see vlogathon happen in a big way, what do you think we need to try and what social cause would be a good experiment? On Apr 21, 2006, at 8:54 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: Great message, Robert. Maybe it's time to reignite http://vlogathon.org/ ? Sull On 4/20/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The press appears to be cubbying peeps who make video (i.e., personal, documentary, comedy, etc.) and vlog it into types, which is not necessarily good or bad. I'm wondering if vloggers can leverage this tendency. Also, as you know, I'm particularly interested in education and humanitarian projects and am curious how many vloggers have set their focus on such projects. More, I tried to drum up support earlier this week for Jon's Nata Village http://natavillage.org> endeavour, and I don't believe a lot of vloggers have yet blogged about or re-vlogged the project though I did notice a few. Certainly a bit of press for such projects, not only Nata Village, has the potential to improve the finances, and in the Nata case that money, per the blog, goes fully to the village. If I'm wrong and a lot of you have participated by vlogging or directly donating I'll stand corrected, which I would certainly prefer. Does anyone have insight into how many vloggers have focused in on and working towards a particular educational or humanitarian topics, I think it would be cool to help the press see that category, not only from the perspective of those in the category but for vloggers in general. Wasn't vlogging going to be a tool to help change / improve the world? Wouldn't it help differentiate vloggers from those, who happen to be of great number, who just post entertaining video (not that I have anything against that, I attempt to do a bit of it myself)? And speaking of saving the world, or at least the Internet, have a look at this, is there a possibility it can help? http://pulver.com/savethenet/> Perhaps it's the fine weather here in NYC today, I'm feeling there's an opportunity to hack a few mountains out there. Can we make a list of those vlogging towards a non-entertainment goal, a new category for the press and for us? /rambling> cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively my vlog: http://r.24x7.com reliable hosting: http://foo.24x7.com -- Sull http://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Can vloggers hack mountains
Correct, Verdi. I'd go so far as to argue it's a nail for the coffin. The onus is on this collective intelligence of group to come up with a strategy to differentiate vlogging. On Apr 21, 2006, at 10:32 AM, Michael Verdi wrote: ... And that the desire to replicate TV and film on the web is drowning out the idea of people videobloggging to communicate. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Can vloggers hack mountains
Tag-chatter. Excellent. Did you coin that term or have I not been paying enough attention to attention :) Tags are part of the problem. They're like hot sauce, you have to know when to stop dowsing. That lesson is being learned by some, others are still figuring out how to remove the governor from the top of the bottle. Vlogging is being usurped and generalised into video_posting_on_the_web for reasons that are now becoming obvious and others that will be discovered as the event unfurls. Tagging is part of it. I don't think it's a reason to feel dark, it's just a data point. It may be, as Chuck points out, rich opportunities exist in fund raising. Or maybe not. The notion of reforming media and the it's us against broadcast television, though, I believe is wrongheaded, an inefficient us of calories. Trying to change the nature of the beast or kill will only accelerate the dissipation of the vlogging idea. I don't know if vlogging, in the non-generic sense, can be established on a larger scale. It's up to peeps in this group to figure it out, but I wouldn't get in a funk if it remains but a cool idea. Having said that, if somehow the magic of social web 2.0 happens and a convergence occurs and a stride is found, and I'm not talking pasting selling adverts on the posteriors of look-at-my-cute videos, then there may be a chance. I'm inclined to believe if there is a convergence it will be on social causes, but you may be right that tagging will keep such messages from view. Yeah, it's an attention problem. I'll bet we didn't even come close to the $2000 figure for Nata village. Fsck. Not sexy enough for the masses. Maybe vlogging, the non-generic kind just isn't sexy. Okay, now I'm risking a a dark feeling coming, I need to stop thinking about this. On Apr 21, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Soumyadeep Paul wrote: Sorry... after writing this, I feel its out of context... but maybe not! When the early blogging revolution, it swiftly took a variety of forms that affected the world in ways never before imagined. For instance, I still remember the Salam Pax times... the kind of notice it got and the insight it gave to the readers. In our part of the world, Fadereu and some of us who created CSF, which was the first time anyone had attempted to republish text messages coming from Tsunami-torn Sri Lankan relief workers/friends as blog entries. The turn around time of the news was faster than any news agency could have managed, and it was sheer genius of Fadereu's brain. There are several other instances where blogging helped turn the wheel of events towards a more logical and sensible one. Enter videoblogging. The original motive (and perhaps still) was to reform Media (in a bigger sense of the word), to make it more personal, human, to rid it of its blockages, impurities... to create a direct channel from the creator to the audience. This revolution saw several bright spots in its short span as well. Take the Tsunami videos, or the other water-disasters... Unfortunately (and perhaps its my dark state of mind from listening to too many Opeth songs today), it never really ended up evolving into a tool that would be taken notice by the powers that rule. Instead, it took a natural course (entertainment, sex, comedy), and even though there were some interesting voices that could be heard from around, the collective tag-chatter (which is completely go along with pop-culture) now manages to suppress anything uninteresting to the popular mass. And of course, uninteresting has nothing to do with unimportant or irrelevant. Am I wrong? For instance, let's take the Iran Nuclear issue that has resurfaced again... where is it going? Is it another conflict down the road? Shouldn't we wonder about the inclinations of the political machine? Or is it too sensitive an issue? Will Vlogging elevate to the level of strength that blogging garnered once? Feeling dark again. Perhaps I will just return to my Porcupine Tree album (In Absentia) and just exist! Cheers, Desoumal http://csfvlog.blogspot.com http://www.afilmonthreewheels.com http://lilithsmirrors.blogspot.com On 21-Apr-06, at 6:24 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote: Maybe it's time to reignite http://vlogathon.org/ ? Sull On 4/20/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The press appears to be cubbying peeps who make video (i.e., personal, documentary, comedy, etc.) and vlog it into types, which is not necessarily good or bad. I'm wondering if vloggers can leverage this tendency. Also, as you know, I'm particularly interested in education and humanitarian projects and am curious how many vloggers have set their focus on such projects. More, I tried to drum up support earlier this week for Jon's Nata Village http://natavillage.org> endeavour, and I don't believe a lot of vloggers have yet blogged about or re-vlogged the project though I did notice a few. Certainly a bit of press for such projects, not only Nata Village, has the potential to improve the
[videoblogging] Can vloggers hack mountains
Hey all, The press appears to be cubbying peeps who make video (i.e., personal, documentary, comedy, etc.) and vlog it into types, which is not necessarily good or bad. I'm wondering if vloggers can leverage this tendency. Also, as you know, I'm particularly interested in education and humanitarian projects and am curious how many vloggers have set their focus on such projects. More, I tried to drum up support earlier this week for Jon's Nata Village http://natavillage.org> endeavour, and I don't believe a lot of vloggers have yet blogged about or re-vlogged the project though I did notice a few. Certainly a bit of press for such projects, not only Nata Village, has the potential to improve the finances, and in the Nata case that money, per the blog, goes fully to the village. If I'm wrong and a lot of you have participated by vlogging or directly donating I'll stand corrected, which I would certainly prefer. Does anyone have insight into how many vloggers have focused in on and working towards a particular educational or humanitarian topics, I think it would be cool to help the press see that category, not only from the perspective of those in the category but for vloggers in general. Wasn't vlogging going to be a tool to help change / improve the world? Wouldn't it help differentiate vloggers from those, who happen to be of great number, who just post entertaining video (not that I have anything against that, I attempt to do a bit of it myself)? And speaking of saving the world, or at least the Internet, have a look at this, is there a possibility it can help? http://pulver.com/savethenet/> Perhaps it's the fine weather here in NYC today, I'm feeling there's an opportunity to hack a few mountains out there. Can we make a list of those vlogging towards a non-entertainment goal, a new category for the press and for us? /rambling> cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively my vlog: http://r.24x7.com reliable hosting: http://foo.24x7.com
