[videoblogging] Re: Easy way to make mobile videos - and lose your copyright?
Actually, Stephanie, we do exactly what you're talking about at http://wap.xicast.com (you can browse to it with your mobile phone). What we have found more than anything else is a lack of usability with the phones themselves. Most users don't appear to be familiar with how to browse websites not provided directly by their phone carrier's menu. Depending on the carrier and model, it could be 5 to 7 menu items to manually enter in a URL. That's just too clunky for most users. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah. The problem with these sites right now is that they don't have an interface where videobloggers can aggregate their vlogs to cell phone users for free. My ideal vision: A cell phone MMS gateway that your GP3-format RSS feed is mirrored to, and which includes enclosures as attachments. I haven't seen it yet, but I keep hoping. On 4/19/06, Harold Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone actually buying content for mobile phones yet? I mean, the vast majority of mobile phone users have to pay for bandwidth, right? And then content, on top of that...It's way to expensive for most people right now to both pay for mobile phone data charges *and* for the content itself. I'd rather offer the content for free, being a mobile phone user frustrated with the expensiveness of wanting content but not being able to afford it on my device... Harold Something That Happened: a story presented in text, sound, and video http://SomethingThatHappened.com On 4/19/06, Andy Carvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, William Volk bvolk@ wrote: This free site ... www.mynumo.com ... Automatically converts .mov, .mpg, and .avi files into mobile and lets you sell them to mobile phone users. Check it out. Have you read their user agreement? http://www.mynumo.com/general.php?inc=tac If I'm reading it right, it's worse than most of the ones I've seen. It makes no mention of you holding onto the rights of any content you upload - instead, it talks about them holding onto the rights: Service. You may use the Service only in accordance with the terms and conditions of this Agreement and any amendments as well as any additional terms that may be presented in connection with any particular feature or function of the Service from time to time. The Service is for your personal use. You understand and agree that you may not transmit or re-transmit, broadcast or re-broadcast or make any commercial use of the Service, including the Downloads and Subscriptions. For example, you may not copy or distribute the Service or the Downloads or the Subscriptions in any manner not expressly authorized by the Service. You may not attempt (or authorize, encourage or support others' attempts) to circumvent, reverse engineer, decrypt, break or otherwise alter or interfere with the Service, including the Downloads and the Subscriptions. You agree to advise MyNuMo promptly of any such unauthorized use(s) or attempt(s). Downloads and Subscriptions. You understand and acknowledge that the Downloads and Subscriptions made available as part of the Service are owned by MyNuMo, its business partners, affiliates and/or licensors, as applicable, and are protected by intellectual property laws. MyNuMo grants you a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable, revocable right to download the Downloads and Subscriptions to your compatible device solely for your own non-commercial use. You understand and agree that you may not download, reproduce, modify, display, perform, transfer, distribute or otherwise use the Downloads or Subscriptions except as expressly provided in this Agreement. You understand and agree that you may not authorize, encourage or allow any Downloads or Subscriptions used or obtained by you to be reproduced, modified, displayed, performed, transferred, distributed or otherwise used by any other party, and you agree that you will take all reasonable steps to prevent any unauthorized reproduction and/or other use of them. Sounds pretty horrible to me - again, unless I'm reading this wrong. Workmen are drilling and hammering next door - not the best environment for interpreting legalese. andy YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Easy way to make mobile videos - and lose your copyright?
Which is why that's not the ideal solution I mentioned. As you've noticed, WAP works great-- but only if you get in the cell phone company's pocket. The easiest way to get it to people is to have the videos emailed or MMS'ed to their phones-- from the end user standpoint, that's the easiest way to get video on the phone. BTW: Does XiCast use LifeBlog? And can you email some press kit info to me? I would like to mention XiCast in my book, and since I just submitted edits to the relevant chapter, it may be too late, but I'd like to see if I can slip it in there, or possibly write it up for the book-related website. --Stephanie On 4/24/06, xicastmedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, Stephanie, we do exactly what you're talking about at http://wap.xicast.com (you can browse to it with your mobile phone). What we have found more than anything else is a lack of usability with the phones themselves. Most users don't appear to be familiar with how to browse websites not provided directly by their phone carrier's menu. Depending on the carrier and model, it could be 5 to 7 menu items to manually enter in a URL. That's just too clunky for most users. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah. The problem with these sites right now is that they don't have an interface where videobloggers can aggregate their vlogs to cell phone users for free. My ideal vision: A cell phone MMS gateway that your GP3-format RSS feed is mirrored to, and which includes enclosures as attachments. I haven't seen it yet, but I keep hoping. On 4/19/06, Harold Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone actually buying content for mobile phones yet? I mean, the vast majority of mobile phone users have to pay for bandwidth, right? And then content, on top of that...It's way to expensive for most people right now to both pay for mobile phone data charges *and* for the content itself. I'd rather offer the content for free, being a mobile phone user frustrated with the expensiveness of wanting content but not being able to afford it on my device... Harold Something That Happened: a story presented in text, sound, and video http://SomethingThatHappened.com On 4/19/06, Andy Carvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, William Volk bvolk@ wrote: This free site ... www.mynumo.com ... Automatically converts .mov, .mpg, and .avi files into mobile and lets you sell them to mobile phone users. Check it out. Have you read their user agreement? http://www.mynumo.com/general.php?inc=tac If I'm reading it right, it's worse than most of the ones I've seen. It makes no mention of you holding onto the rights of any content you upload - instead, it talks about them holding onto the rights: Service. You may use the Service only in accordance with the terms and conditions of this Agreement and any amendments as well as any additional terms that may be presented in connection with any particular feature or function of the Service from time to time. The Service is for your personal use. You understand and agree that you may not transmit or re-transmit, broadcast or re-broadcast or make any commercial use of the Service, including the Downloads and Subscriptions. For example, you may not copy or distribute the Service or the Downloads or the Subscriptions in any manner not expressly authorized by the Service. You may not attempt (or authorize, encourage or support others' attempts) to circumvent, reverse engineer, decrypt, break or otherwise alter or interfere with the Service, including the Downloads and the Subscriptions. You agree to advise MyNuMo promptly of any such unauthorized use(s) or attempt(s). Downloads and Subscriptions. You understand and acknowledge that the Downloads and Subscriptions made available as part of the Service are owned by MyNuMo, its business partners, affiliates and/or licensors, as applicable, and are protected by intellectual property laws. MyNuMo grants you a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable, revocable right to download the Downloads and Subscriptions to your compatible device solely for your own non-commercial use. You understand and agree that you may not download, reproduce, modify, display, perform, transfer, distribute or otherwise use the Downloads or Subscriptions except as expressly provided in this Agreement. You understand and agree that you may not authorize, encourage or allow any Downloads or Subscriptions used or obtained by you to be reproduced, modified, displayed, performed, transferred, distributed or otherwise used by any other party, and you agree that you will take all reasonable steps to prevent any unauthorized reproduction
[videoblogging] Re: Easy way to make mobile videos - and lose your copyright?
You're right: there's no successful AND free implementation of a MMS push model that delivers content for free at this time. The pull model as I described does work with the obvious technical caveats. I actually considered modifying our current subscription notifications to include an attached video file. Works fine with small mobile phone videos (usually tiny .3gp files) but a bit uncomfortable for the large high-def WMV quicktime files found in some of the blogs. Thanks in advance for the potential mention of XiCast in your book. I've been meaning to contact you regarding your amazon promotions. I'll drop you an email later this evening. And, no, we don't use anyone else's blog software. We wrote our own as it has been the only way to integrate some of the messaging systems we created to incorporate the mobile phone messaging. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is why that's not the ideal solution I mentioned. As you've noticed, WAP works great-- but only if you get in the cell phone company's pocket. The easiest way to get it to people is to have the videos emailed or MMS'ed to their phones-- from the end user standpoint, that's the easiest way to get video on the phone. BTW: Does XiCast use LifeBlog? And can you email some press kit info to me? I would like to mention XiCast in my book, and since I just submitted edits to the relevant chapter, it may be too late, but I'd like to see if I can slip it in there, or possibly write it up for the book-related website. --Stephanie On 4/24/06, xicastmedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, Stephanie, we do exactly what you're talking about at http://wap.xicast.com (you can browse to it with your mobile phone). What we have found more than anything else is a lack of usability with the phones themselves. Most users don't appear to be familiar with how to browse websites not provided directly by their phone carrier's menu. Depending on the carrier and model, it could be 5 to 7 menu items to manually enter in a URL. That's just too clunky for most users. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant mortaine@ wrote: Yeah. The problem with these sites right now is that they don't have an interface where videobloggers can aggregate their vlogs to cell phone users for free. My ideal vision: A cell phone MMS gateway that your GP3-format RSS feed is mirrored to, and which includes enclosures as attachments. I haven't seen it yet, but I keep hoping. On 4/19/06, Harold Johnson harold.johnson@ wrote: Is anyone actually buying content for mobile phones yet? I mean, the vast majority of mobile phone users have to pay for bandwidth, right? And then content, on top of that...It's way to expensive for most people right now to both pay for mobile phone data charges *and* for the content itself. I'd rather offer the content for free, being a mobile phone user frustrated with the expensiveness of wanting content but not being able to afford it on my device... Harold Something That Happened: a story presented in text, sound, and video http://SomethingThatHappened.com On 4/19/06, Andy Carvin acarvin@ wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, William Volk bvolk@ wrote: This free site ... www.mynumo.com ... Automatically converts .mov, .mpg, and .avi files into mobile and lets you sell them to mobile phone users. Check it out. Have you read their user agreement? http://www.mynumo.com/general.php?inc=tac If I'm reading it right, it's worse than most of the ones I've seen. It makes no mention of you holding onto the rights of any content you upload - instead, it talks about them holding onto the rights: Service. You may use the Service only in accordance with the terms and conditions of this Agreement and any amendments as well as any additional terms that may be presented in connection with any particular feature or function of the Service from time to time. The Service is for your personal use. You understand and agree that you may not transmit or re-transmit, broadcast or re-broadcast or make any commercial use of the Service, including the Downloads and Subscriptions. For example, you may not copy or distribute the Service or the Downloads or the Subscriptions in any manner not expressly authorized by the Service. You may not attempt (or authorize, encourage or support others' attempts) to circumvent, reverse engineer, decrypt, break or otherwise alter or interfere with the Service, including the Downloads and the Subscriptions. You agree to advise MyNuMo promptly of any such unauthorized use(s) or attempt(s). Downloads and Subscriptions. You understand and
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Easy way to make mobile videos - and lose your copyright?
Hi Stephanie, I believe, if you read the TOS, they are talking about downloading, where the downloader can't lawfully redistribute work they or their partners own. Presumably, you would be a partner, if you created and uploaded something, that they then redistributed. For the act of distribution and reformatting, they would take some, and pass on the rest to you. The TOS you mention here that is for downloaders and general users of their services: http://www.mynumo.com/general.php?inc=tac is different than the one here which is for content owners who upload stuff to sell: http://www.mynumo.com/general.php?inc=signup (the link is _javascript_.. with a popup window.. really kind of silly for a contract they'd like to be binding.. if there was a dispute.. it's likely a judge or mediator would agree that the popup nature of it meant that it was a very one sided contract, that was hard to link to or save in a reasonable way, and easy to overlook while thinking the TOS you sent to the list was the only TOS, so he would likely side against MyNuMo if he thought it was a onesided contract -- but nonetheless, you'll have to click it to get to this second TOS). This other TOS for uploaders says: 7.1 Mutual Representations and Warranties. You represent and warrant to MyNuMo.com and MyNuMo.com represents and warrants to you: (i) that you or it has the full power and authority to enter into and perform under these TAC, (ii) the execution and performance of your or its obligations under these TAC do not constitute a breach of or conflict with any other agreement or arrangement by which you or it is bound, and (iii) these TAC are a legal, valid and binding obligation of the party entering into these TAC, enforceable in accordance with their terms and conditions. 7.2 By You. You represent and warrant to MyNuMo.com that, in your use of the MyNuMo.com Service, you: (i) will not infringe the copyright, trademark, patent, trade secret, right of privacy, right of publicity or other legal right of any third party and (ii) will comply with all applicable laws, rules, and regulations. You further represent and warrant to MyNuMo.com that: (i) there are no claims, demands or any form of litigation pending, or to the best of your knowledge, threatened with respect to any of your Content; (ii) MyNuMo.com will not be required to make any payments to any third party in connection with its use of your Content, except for the expenses that MyNuMo.com incurs in providing the MyNuMo.com Service; (iii) the use of any instructions, formulae, recommendations, or the like contained in your Content will not cause injury to any third party; and (iv) your Content does not contain viruses or any other programs or technology designed to disrupt or damage any software or hardware. In other words, MyNuMo.com is saying that you have to represent to them by agreeing here, that you own your stuff, and don't have lawsuits against it, before they can resell it and split the proceeds. And they are saying you continue to own it in the rest of the agreement. Just because you partner with them to sell content, doesn't mean they own it, because you uploaded it to them. You definitely own your stuff, and you can definitely remove it and sell it elsewhere if you want to. mary On Apr 19, 2006, at 3:11 PM, Stephanie Bryant wrote: Yeah. The problem with these sites right now is that they don't have an interface where videobloggers can aggregate their vlogs to cell phone users for free. My ideal vision: A cell phone MMS gateway that your GP3-format RSS feed is mirrored to, and which includes enclosures as attachments. I haven't seen it yet, but I keep hoping. On 4/19/06, Harold Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone actually buying content for mobile phones yet? I mean, the vast majority of mobile phone users have to pay for bandwidth, right? And then content, on top of that...It's way to expensive for most people right now to both pay for mobile phone data charges *and* for the content itself. I'd rather offer the content for free, being a mobile phone user frustrated with the expensiveness of wanting content but not being able to afford it on my device... Harold Something That Happened: a story presented in text, sound, and video http://SomethingThatHappened.com On 4/19/06, Andy Carvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, William Volk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This free site ... www.mynumo.com ... Automatically converts .mov, .mpg, and .avi files into mobile and lets you sell them to mobile phone users. Check it out. Have you read their user agreement? http://www.mynumo.com/general.php?inc=tac If I'm reading it right, it's worse than most of the ones I've seen. It makes no mention of you holding onto the rights of any content you upload - instead, it talks about them holding onto the rights: Service. You may use the Service
[videoblogging] Re: Easy way to make mobile videos - and lose your copyright?
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, William Volk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This free site ... www.mynumo.com ... Automatically converts .mov, .mpg, and .avi files into mobile and lets you sell them to mobile phone users. Check it out. Have you read their user agreement? http://www.mynumo.com/general.php?inc=tac If I'm reading it right, it's worse than most of the ones I've seen. It makes no mention of you holding onto the rights of any content you upload - instead, it talks about them holding onto the rights: Service. You may use the Service only in accordance with the terms and conditions of this Agreement and any amendments as well as any additional terms that may be presented in connection with any particular feature or function of the Service from time to time. The Service is for your personal use. You understand and agree that you may not transmit or re-transmit, broadcast or re-broadcast or make any commercial use of the Service, including the Downloads and Subscriptions. For example, you may not copy or distribute the Service or the Downloads or the Subscriptions in any manner not expressly authorized by the Service. You may not attempt (or authorize, encourage or support others' attempts) to circumvent, reverse engineer, decrypt, break or otherwise alter or interfere with the Service, including the Downloads and the Subscriptions. You agree to advise MyNuMo promptly of any such unauthorized use(s) or attempt(s). Downloads and Subscriptions. You understand and acknowledge that the Downloads and Subscriptions made available as part of the Service are owned by MyNuMo, its business partners, affiliates and/or licensors, as applicable, and are protected by intellectual property laws. MyNuMo grants you a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable, revocable right to download the Downloads and Subscriptions to your compatible device solely for your own non-commercial use. You understand and agree that you may not download, reproduce, modify, display, perform, transfer, distribute or otherwise use the Downloads or Subscriptions except as expressly provided in this Agreement. You understand and agree that you may not authorize, encourage or allow any Downloads or Subscriptions used or obtained by you to be reproduced, modified, displayed, performed, transferred, distributed or otherwise used by any other party, and you agree that you will take all reasonable steps to prevent any unauthorized reproduction and/or other use of them. Sounds pretty horrible to me - again, unless I'm reading this wrong. Workmen are drilling and hammering next door - not the best environment for interpreting legalese. andy YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Easy way to make mobile videos - and lose your copyright?
Is anyone actually buying content for mobile phones yet? I mean, the vast majority of mobile phone users have to pay for bandwidth, right? And then content, on top of that...It's way to expensive for most people right now to both pay for mobile phone data charges *and* for the content itself. I'd rather offer the content for free, being a mobile phone user frustrated with the expensiveness of wanting content but not being able to afford it on my device... Harold Something That Happened: a story presented in text, sound, and video http://SomethingThatHappened.com On 4/19/06, Andy Carvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, William Volk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This free site ... www.mynumo.com ... Automatically converts .mov,.mpg, and .avi files into mobile and lets you sell them to mobile phone users. Check it out.Have you read their user agreement? http://www.mynumo.com/general.php?inc=tac If I'm reading it right, it's worse than most of the ones I've seen.It makes no mention of you holding onto the rights of any content youupload - instead, it talks about them holding onto the rights: Service. You may use the Service only in accordance with the terms andconditions of this Agreement and any amendments as well as anyadditional terms that may be presented in connection with anyparticular feature or function of the Service from time to time. The Service is for your personal use. You understand and agree thatyou may not transmit or re-transmit, broadcast or re-broadcast or makeany commercial use of the Service, including the Downloads andSubscriptions. For example, you may not copy or distribute the Service or the Downloads or the Subscriptions in any manner not expresslyauthorized by the Service.You may not attempt (or authorize, encourage or support others'attempts) to circumvent, reverse engineer, decrypt, break or otherwise alter or interfere with the Service, including the Downloads and theSubscriptions. You agree to advise MyNuMo promptly of any suchunauthorized use(s) or attempt(s).Downloads and Subscriptions. You understand and acknowledge that the Downloads and Subscriptions made available as part of the Service areowned by MyNuMo, its business partners, affiliates and/or licensors,as applicable, and are protected by intellectual property laws. MyNuMo grants you a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable, revocable rightto download the Downloads and Subscriptions to your compatible devicesolely for your own non-commercial use. You understand and agree thatyou may not download, reproduce, modify, display, perform, transfer, distribute or otherwise use the Downloads or Subscriptions except asexpressly provided in this Agreement. You understand and agree thatyou may not authorize, encourage or allow any Downloads orSubscriptions used or obtained by you to be reproduced, modified, displayed, performed, transferred, distributed or otherwise used byany other party, and you agree that you will take all reasonable stepsto prevent any unauthorized reproduction and/or other use of them. Sounds pretty horrible to me - again, unless I'm reading this wrong.Workmen are drilling and hammering next door - not the bestenvironment for interpreting legalese.andy YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Easy way to make mobile videos - and lose your copyright?
Yeah. The problem with these sites right now is that they don't have an interface where videobloggers can aggregate their vlogs to cell phone users for free. My ideal vision: A cell phone MMS gateway that your GP3-format RSS feed is mirrored to, and which includes enclosures as attachments. I haven't seen it yet, but I keep hoping. On 4/19/06, Harold Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone actually buying content for mobile phones yet? I mean, the vast majority of mobile phone users have to pay for bandwidth, right? And then content, on top of that...It's way to expensive for most people right now to both pay for mobile phone data charges *and* for the content itself. I'd rather offer the content for free, being a mobile phone user frustrated with the expensiveness of wanting content but not being able to afford it on my device... Harold Something That Happened: a story presented in text, sound, and video http://SomethingThatHappened.com On 4/19/06, Andy Carvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, William Volk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This free site ... www.mynumo.com ... Automatically converts .mov, .mpg, and .avi files into mobile and lets you sell them to mobile phone users. Check it out. Have you read their user agreement? http://www.mynumo.com/general.php?inc=tac If I'm reading it right, it's worse than most of the ones I've seen. It makes no mention of you holding onto the rights of any content you upload - instead, it talks about them holding onto the rights: Service. You may use the Service only in accordance with the terms and conditions of this Agreement and any amendments as well as any additional terms that may be presented in connection with any particular feature or function of the Service from time to time. The Service is for your personal use. You understand and agree that you may not transmit or re-transmit, broadcast or re-broadcast or make any commercial use of the Service, including the Downloads and Subscriptions. For example, you may not copy or distribute the Service or the Downloads or the Subscriptions in any manner not expressly authorized by the Service. You may not attempt (or authorize, encourage or support others' attempts) to circumvent, reverse engineer, decrypt, break or otherwise alter or interfere with the Service, including the Downloads and the Subscriptions. You agree to advise MyNuMo promptly of any such unauthorized use(s) or attempt(s). Downloads and Subscriptions. You understand and acknowledge that the Downloads and Subscriptions made available as part of the Service are owned by MyNuMo, its business partners, affiliates and/or licensors, as applicable, and are protected by intellectual property laws. MyNuMo grants you a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable, revocable right to download the Downloads and Subscriptions to your compatible device solely for your own non-commercial use. You understand and agree that you may not download, reproduce, modify, display, perform, transfer, distribute or otherwise use the Downloads or Subscriptions except as expressly provided in this Agreement. You understand and agree that you may not authorize, encourage or allow any Downloads or Subscriptions used or obtained by you to be reproduced, modified, displayed, performed, transferred, distributed or otherwise used by any other party, and you agree that you will take all reasonable steps to prevent any unauthorized reproduction and/or other use of them. Sounds pretty horrible to me - again, unless I'm reading this wrong. Workmen are drilling and hammering next door - not the best environment for interpreting legalese. andy YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blogs, vlogs, and audioblogs at: http://www.mortaine.com/blogs SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
