Re: [videoblogging] Re: Solid-state camera recommendation
Does anyone know about using AVCHD in a live environment? We're thinking about taking a live feed from the cam's USB2.0 port, routing it through Adobe's Visual Communicator to key out a green screen, and displaying the resulting video on a large projection screen. I'm not sure if this is possible, either in SD mode from an HD cam, or especially in HD mode with AVCHD. I have a feeling I'm just going to have to test the hell out of a bunch of cameras, and keep receipts. -- *Adam Quirk* / Producer, Wreck Salvage LLC / [EMAIL PROTECTED] /+1 551.208.4644 (m) / imbullemhead (aim) On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 1:38 AM, Renat Zarbailov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Editing AVCHD on PC natively is now possible without any issues in Adobe Premiere CS3 with an add on from Mainconcept called MainConcept MPEG Pro HDV 3.1.0. You would of course need a fast Intel Core Duo 2 machine with at least 2.6GHZ processor and 4GB RAM plus RAID0 hard drive configuration. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ruperthowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Apple Apps all have means to ingest AVCHD footage. Not quite true. The *newest* Apple apps support AVCHD, but with limitations. The terrible (in my view) new iMovie 08, for instance supports it, but not the better iMovie 6. If you have an older version of iMovie or FCP, you're stuck. But then if you have an older Mac, you're stuck, too. Quick google told me that FCP 6 (the latest version) initially didn't allow AVCHD import, and then was updated last summer to allow it, but with big limitations - only on a Mac Pro and not natively: it transcodes to other codecs that use 10 times more space than native AVCHD. For PCs, Sony Vegas does support AVCHD - and I like Vegas a lot. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Polack ottorabbit@ wrote: Panasonic also has a hybrid camera - http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/shop/Cameras-Camcorders/Camcorders/Hi-Def-Camcorders/model.HDC-HS9_11002_7005702 Check respective NLE software sites for AVCHD workflow info. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Solid-state camera recommendation
Panasonic also has a hybrid camera - http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/shop/Cameras-Camcorders/Camcorders/Hi-Def-Camcorders/model.HDC-HS9_11002_7005702 The Apple Apps all have means to ingest AVCHD footage. Check respective NLE software sites for AVCHD workflow info.
[videoblogging] Re: Solid-state camera recommendation
The Apple Apps all have means to ingest AVCHD footage. Not quite true. The *newest* Apple apps support AVCHD, but with limitations. The terrible (in my view) new iMovie 08, for instance supports it, but not the better iMovie 6. If you have an older version of iMovie or FCP, you're stuck. But then if you have an older Mac, you're stuck, too. Quick google told me that FCP 6 (the latest version) initially didn't allow AVCHD import, and then was updated last summer to allow it, but with big limitations - only on a Mac Pro and not natively: it transcodes to other codecs that use 10 times more space than native AVCHD. For PCs, Sony Vegas does support AVCHD - and I like Vegas a lot. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Polack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Panasonic also has a hybrid camera - http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/shop/Cameras-Camcorders/Camcorders/Hi-Def-Camcorders/model.HDC-HS9_11002_7005702 Check respective NLE software sites for AVCHD workflow info.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Solid-state camera recommendation
Hi Rupert and everyone, I can add to this that i already used some months ago a achcd HDD from Sony and it was a bit painfull, because you have to mount the hdd or at list copy almost everything so that later on FCP 6 can make the log and transfer. It transfers by converting it to a codec called AIC (intermediate codec) i think, that is the same codec iMovie HD and Final Cut Express used for HDV. That codec gives you indeed much bigger files. So for the editing person, HDV natively edited in a intel Mac is much much easier. I don't use PC so can't say nothing. I also used these camera once the sony pc application converted the avhcd files to MPEG2/DVD files... then i used MPEG StreamClip to convert to FCP6. Unfortunately i never found out another way to ingest, i thought MPEG StreamClip should handle it but i never got to succeed in converting the original camera files with it. At the time the newest iMovie didn't existed... maybe that one could be easier, but maybe it uses the AIC also... the is my experience with avhcd and macs. Rgds, ZN On May 9, 2008, at 12:58 , ruperthowe wrote: The Apple Apps all have means to ingest AVCHD footage. Not quite true. The *newest* Apple apps support AVCHD, but with limitations. The terrible (in my view) new iMovie 08, for instance supports it, but not the better iMovie 6. If you have an older version of iMovie or FCP, you're stuck. But then if you have an older Mac, you're stuck, too. Quick google told me that FCP 6 (the latest version) initially didn't allow AVCHD import, and then was updated last summer to allow it, but with big limitations - only on a Mac Pro and not natively: it transcodes to other codecs that use 10 times more space than native AVCHD. For PCs, Sony Vegas does support AVCHD - and I like Vegas a lot. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Polack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Panasonic also has a hybrid camera - http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/shop/Cameras-Camcorders/Camcorders/Hi-Def-Camcorders/model.HDC-HS9_11002_7005702 Check respective NLE software sites for AVCHD workflow info.
[videoblogging] Re: Solid-state camera recommendation
I encountered this just the other day. In preparing for a project, I talked to someone bringing a second camera, who told me they were going to shoot on tape. I knew how long the final video was going to be, so I was counting on, let's say, four times that much space for the raw footage to take up on my MacBook Pro internal drive. Unfortunately, even though the video looked sweet from the camera they brought, the footage was recorded to SD card and I had to use Log Transfer to import it into FCP6. Like Rupert mentions, this resulted in INSANELY LARGE file sizes that I wasn't prepared for, which were also a BEAST to edit with, as far as not wanting to play smoothly in my timeline on a 2.33 GHz Core Duo MBP with 2 gig of ram. Fortunately for me, I was able to borrow an external drive at the client site, because the transferred AVCHD had taken up all the space I had allotted for DV or HDV footage. Bill Cammack http://BillCammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ruperthowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Apple Apps all have means to ingest AVCHD footage. Not quite true. The *newest* Apple apps support AVCHD, but with limitations. The terrible (in my view) new iMovie 08, for instance supports it, but not the better iMovie 6. If you have an older version of iMovie or FCP, you're stuck. But then if you have an older Mac, you're stuck, too. Quick google told me that FCP 6 (the latest version) initially didn't allow AVCHD import, and then was updated last summer to allow it, but with big limitations - only on a Mac Pro and not natively: it transcodes to other codecs that use 10 times more space than native AVCHD. For PCs, Sony Vegas does support AVCHD - and I like Vegas a lot. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Polack ottorabbit@ wrote: Panasonic also has a hybrid camera - http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/shop/Cameras-Camcorders/Camcorders/Hi-Def-Camcorders/model.HDC-HS9_11002_7005702 Check respective NLE software sites for AVCHD workflow info.
[videoblogging] Re: Solid-state camera recommendation
Just to echo Rupert's comments, I use Sony Vegas and while I have not worked in HD yet, I have been paying attention to AVCHD, since Panasonic uses that as well. From what I know by checking on fourms, etc Vegas does a really good job at handling AVCHD natively. Depending on some factors you can get Sony Vegas Movie Studio for about 100 bucks and that will edit HD footage, and you can run Vegas on a Mac with bootcamp I think, maybe something to think about... Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ruperthowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Apple Apps all have means to ingest AVCHD footage. Not quite true. The *newest* Apple apps support AVCHD, but with limitations. The terrible (in my view) new iMovie 08, for instance supports it, but not the better iMovie 6. If you have an older version of iMovie or FCP, you're stuck. But then if you have an older Mac, you're stuck, too. Quick google told me that FCP 6 (the latest version) initially didn't allow AVCHD import, and then was updated last summer to allow it, but with big limitations - only on a Mac Pro and not natively: it transcodes to other codecs that use 10 times more space than native AVCHD. For PCs, Sony Vegas does support AVCHD - and I like Vegas a lot. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Polack ottorabbit@ wrote: Panasonic also has a hybrid camera - http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/shop/Cameras- Camcorders/Camcorders/Hi-Def-Camcorders/model.HDC- HS9_11002_7005702 Check respective NLE software sites for AVCHD workflow info.
[videoblogging] Re: Solid-state camera recommendation
I hadn't thought about running it with bootcamp. Good idea. Thanks! I left my PC in London. And Vegas Movie Studio costs even less than that - it's about $60-70 or £33. Incredible value for what you get. It's a really good editing program for videobloggers - perhaps the best one out there to meet a hobbyist's needs. I no longer feel any need to tell people who are interested in videoblogging and digital filmmaking that the first thing they should do is go out and spend thousands of dollars on a Mac and FCP.The advantages of FCP for the average user do not justify the difference in price between it and Vegas. One of the things I like most about it is that it'll cut MP4 files from a phone or a Xacti without having to import or convert/transcode them. And it's better in almost every way than all the other free and cheap editing programs. Unlike WMM or iMovie 06 (never mind its bastard child iMovie 08), it allows proper multiple-video-track Non linear editing. And in terms of flexibility, format friendliness and ease of use for beginners, it beats the pants off Final Cut Express. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to echo Rupert's comments, I use Sony Vegas and while I have not worked in HD yet, I have been paying attention to AVCHD, since Panasonic uses that as well. From what I know by checking on fourms, etc Vegas does a really good job at handling AVCHD natively. Depending on some factors you can get Sony Vegas Movie Studio for about 100 bucks and that will edit HD footage, and you can run Vegas on a Mac with bootcamp I think, maybe something to think about... Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ruperthowe rupert@ wrote: The Apple Apps all have means to ingest AVCHD footage. Not quite true. The *newest* Apple apps support AVCHD, but with limitations. The terrible (in my view) new iMovie 08, for instance supports it, but not the better iMovie 6. If you have an older version of iMovie or FCP, you're stuck. But then if you have an older Mac, you're stuck, too. Quick google told me that FCP 6 (the latest version) initially didn't allow AVCHD import, and then was updated last summer to allow it, but with big limitations - only on a Mac Pro and not natively: it transcodes to other codecs that use 10 times more space than native AVCHD. For PCs, Sony Vegas does support AVCHD - and I like Vegas a lot. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Polack ottorabbit@ wrote: Panasonic also has a hybrid camera - http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/shop/Cameras- Camcorders/Camcorders/Hi-Def-Camcorders/model.HDC- HS9_11002_7005702 Check respective NLE software sites for AVCHD workflow info.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Solid-state camera recommendation
Heath, do you have a link for Vegas on Mac? I'm googling with no luck... I'll keep trying... Cheers, Ron Watson On May 9, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Heath wrote: Just to echo Rupert's comments, I use Sony Vegas and while I have not worked in HD yet, I have been paying attention to AVCHD, since Panasonic uses that as well. From what I know by checking on fourms, etc Vegas does a really good job at handling AVCHD natively. Depending on some factors you can get Sony Vegas Movie Studio for about 100 bucks and that will edit HD footage, and you can run Vegas on a Mac with bootcamp I think, maybe something to think about... Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ruperthowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Apple Apps all have means to ingest AVCHD footage. Not quite true. The *newest* Apple apps support AVCHD, but with limitations. The terrible (in my view) new iMovie 08, for instance supports it, but not the better iMovie 6. If you have an older version of iMovie or FCP, you're stuck. But then if you have an older Mac, you're stuck, too. Quick google told me that FCP 6 (the latest version) initially didn't allow AVCHD import, and then was updated last summer to allow it, but with big limitations - only on a Mac Pro and not natively: it transcodes to other codecs that use 10 times more space than native AVCHD. For PCs, Sony Vegas does support AVCHD - and I like Vegas a lot. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Polack ottorabbit@ wrote: Panasonic also has a hybrid camera - http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/shop/Cameras- Camcorders/Camcorders/Hi-Def-Camcorders/model.HDC- HS9_11002_7005702 Check respective NLE software sites for AVCHD workflow info. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Solid-state camera recommendation
- Original Message - From: ruperthowe (snip) And Vegas Movie Studio costs even less than that - it's about $60-70 or £33. Incredible value for what you get. (snip) Understand that there are *two* versions of Sony Vegas Movie Studio. The regular version and the slightly more expensive PLATINUM version. I think (not sure) that only the Platinum version works with HD files. I have the Platinum version and love it (don't work with HD .. yet) Richard Amirault Boston, MA, USA http://n1jdu.org http://bostonfandom.org http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7hf9u2ZdlQ
[videoblogging] Re: Solid-state camera recommendation
It's PC only, Ron - but Heath was suggesting using it on a Mac running Windows via Bootcamp or Parallels. Rupert --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heath, do you have a link for Vegas on Mac? I'm googling with no luck... I'll keep trying... Cheers, Ron Watson On May 9, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Heath wrote: Just to echo Rupert's comments, I use Sony Vegas and while I have not worked in HD yet, I have been paying attention to AVCHD, since Panasonic uses that as well. From what I know by checking on fourms, etc Vegas does a really good job at handling AVCHD natively. Depending on some factors you can get Sony Vegas Movie Studio for about 100 bucks and that will edit HD footage, and you can run Vegas on a Mac with bootcamp I think, maybe something to think about... Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ruperthowe rupert@ wrote: The Apple Apps all have means to ingest AVCHD footage. Not quite true. The *newest* Apple apps support AVCHD, but with limitations. The terrible (in my view) new iMovie 08, for instance supports it, but not the better iMovie 6. If you have an older version of iMovie or FCP, you're stuck. But then if you have an older Mac, you're stuck, too. Quick google told me that FCP 6 (the latest version) initially didn't allow AVCHD import, and then was updated last summer to allow it, but with big limitations - only on a Mac Pro and not natively: it transcodes to other codecs that use 10 times more space than native AVCHD. For PCs, Sony Vegas does support AVCHD - and I like Vegas a lot. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Polack ottorabbit@ wrote: Panasonic also has a hybrid camera - http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/shop/Cameras- Camcorders/Camcorders/Hi-Def-Camcorders/model.HDC- HS9_11002_7005702 Check respective NLE software sites for AVCHD workflow info. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Solid-state camera recommendation
Hi Again! That's a good idea, i will try inside Parallels and windows XP. that's a good experiment and it should work. And i really hope the Mac will catchup somehow with those AVHCD cameras that are becoming completely popular. but at the same time, the new iMovie is suppose to work ok with them... but i am not so fan of that new interface too. And all those cameras can sound very similar, but don't forget to check the bit/data rate and the modes of recording: SD. HD, 4:3, 16:9, progressive, interlaced, 24p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p... Rgds, ZN On May 9, 2008, at 15:20 , ruperthowe wrote: I hadn't thought about running it with bootcamp. Good idea. Thanks! I left my PC in London. And Vegas Movie Studio costs even less than that - it's about $60-70 or £33. Incredible value for what you get. It's a really good editing program for videobloggers - perhaps the best one out there to meet a hobbyist's needs. I no longer feel any need to tell people who are interested in videoblogging and digital filmmaking that the first thing they should do is go out and spend thousands of dollars on a Mac and FCP.The advantages of FCP for the average user do not justify the difference in price between it and Vegas. One of the things I like most about it is that it'll cut MP4 files from a phone or a Xacti without having to import or convert/transcode them. And it's better in almost every way than all the other free and cheap editing programs. Unlike WMM or iMovie 06 (never mind its bastard child iMovie 08), it allows proper multiple-video-track Non linear editing. And in terms of flexibility, format friendliness and ease of use for beginners, it beats the pants off Final Cut Express. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to echo Rupert's comments, I use Sony Vegas and while I have not worked in HD yet, I have been paying attention to AVCHD, since Panasonic uses that as well. From what I know by checking on fourms, etc Vegas does a really good job at handling AVCHD natively. Depending on some factors you can get Sony Vegas Movie Studio for about 100 bucks and that will edit HD footage, and you can run Vegas on a Mac with bootcamp I think, maybe something to think about... Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ruperthowe rupert@ wrote: The Apple Apps all have means to ingest AVCHD footage. Not quite true. The *newest* Apple apps support AVCHD, but with limitations. The terrible (in my view) new iMovie 08, for instance supports it, but not the better iMovie 6. If you have an older version of iMovie or FCP, you're stuck. But then if you have an older Mac, you're stuck, too. Quick google told me that FCP 6 (the latest version) initially didn't allow AVCHD import, and then was updated last summer to allow it, but with big limitations - only on a Mac Pro and not natively: it transcodes to other codecs that use 10 times more space than native AVCHD. For PCs, Sony Vegas does support AVCHD - and I like Vegas a lot. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Polack ottorabbit@ wrote: Panasonic also has a hybrid camera - http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/shop/Cameras- Camcorders/Camcorders/Hi-Def-Camcorders/model.HDC- HS9_11002_7005702 Check respective NLE software sites for AVCHD workflow info. Yahoo! Groups Links
[videoblogging] Re: Solid-state camera recommendation
Just make sure if you have an HD camera and plan on getting the consumer version of Vegas, that you get Movie Stutio Platium. That is the version that lets you handle HD footage. They do sell a cheaper version of Movie Studio but it doesn't handle HD but the price point differance is so small I would just get the Platium version. And Rupert have someone send your PC! ;) As a side note, I highly recomend Vegas to anyone. I love it and swear by it. Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ruperthowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hadn't thought about running it with bootcamp. Good idea. Thanks! I left my PC in London. And Vegas Movie Studio costs even less than that - it's about $60-70 or £33. Incredible value for what you get. It's a really good editing program for videobloggers - perhaps the best one out there to meet a hobbyist's needs. I no longer feel any need to tell people who are interested in videoblogging and digital filmmaking that the first thing they should do is go out and spend thousands of dollars on a Mac and FCP.The advantages of FCP for the average user do not justify the difference in price between it and Vegas. One of the things I like most about it is that it'll cut MP4 files from a phone or a Xacti without having to import or convert/transcode them. And it's better in almost every way than all the other free and cheap editing programs. Unlike WMM or iMovie 06 (never mind its bastard child iMovie 08), it allows proper multiple-video-track Non linear editing. And in terms of flexibility, format friendliness and ease of use for beginners, it beats the pants off Final Cut Express. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote: Just to echo Rupert's comments, I use Sony Vegas and while I have not worked in HD yet, I have been paying attention to AVCHD, since Panasonic uses that as well. From what I know by checking on fourms, etc Vegas does a really good job at handling AVCHD natively. Depending on some factors you can get Sony Vegas Movie Studio for about 100 bucks and that will edit HD footage, and you can run Vegas on a Mac with bootcamp I think, maybe something to think about... Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ruperthowe rupert@ wrote: The Apple Apps all have means to ingest AVCHD footage. Not quite true. The *newest* Apple apps support AVCHD, but with limitations. The terrible (in my view) new iMovie 08, for instance supports it, but not the better iMovie 6. If you have an older version of iMovie or FCP, you're stuck. But then if you have an older Mac, you're stuck, too. Quick google told me that FCP 6 (the latest version) initially didn't allow AVCHD import, and then was updated last summer to allow it, but with big limitations - only on a Mac Pro and not natively: it transcodes to other codecs that use 10 times more space than native AVCHD. For PCs, Sony Vegas does support AVCHD - and I like Vegas a lot. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Polack ottorabbit@ wrote: Panasonic also has a hybrid camera - http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/shop/Cameras- Camcorders/Camcorders/Hi-Def-Camcorders/model.HDC- HS9_11002_7005702 Check respective NLE software sites for AVCHD workflow info.
[videoblogging] Re: Solid-state camera recommendation
I like Vegas so much that if I do get a Mac, I would still run Vegas via bootcamp or Parallels. I've been using Vegas for over 2 years now so if anyone has any questions about it, just let me know. Heath http://batmageek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ruperthowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's PC only, Ron - but Heath was suggesting using it on a Mac running Windows via Bootcamp or Parallels. Rupert --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson k9disc@ wrote: Heath, do you have a link for Vegas on Mac? I'm googling with no luck... I'll keep trying... Cheers, Ron Watson On May 9, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Heath wrote: Just to echo Rupert's comments, I use Sony Vegas and while I have not worked in HD yet, I have been paying attention to AVCHD, since Panasonic uses that as well. From what I know by checking on fourms, etc Vegas does a really good job at handling AVCHD natively. Depending on some factors you can get Sony Vegas Movie Studio for about 100 bucks and that will edit HD footage, and you can run Vegas on a Mac with bootcamp I think, maybe something to think about... Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ruperthowe rupert@ wrote: The Apple Apps all have means to ingest AVCHD footage. Not quite true. The *newest* Apple apps support AVCHD, but with limitations. The terrible (in my view) new iMovie 08, for instance supports it, but not the better iMovie 6. If you have an older version of iMovie or FCP, you're stuck. But then if you have an older Mac, you're stuck, too. Quick google told me that FCP 6 (the latest version) initially didn't allow AVCHD import, and then was updated last summer to allow it, but with big limitations - only on a Mac Pro and not natively: it transcodes to other codecs that use 10 times more space than native AVCHD. For PCs, Sony Vegas does support AVCHD - and I like Vegas a lot. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Polack ottorabbit@ wrote: Panasonic also has a hybrid camera - http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/shop/Cameras- Camcorders/Camcorders/Hi-Def-Camcorders/model.HDC- HS9_11002_7005702 Check respective NLE software sites for AVCHD workflow info. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Solid-state camera recommendation
I ran Vegas 3 and 4 back in 2003-2005 then I got a mac. Hadn't thought about dual booting with XP... I'm going to be doing some DVD authoring, though, and don't know whether or not I want to go back to Vegas. I mentioned this a while back, but... I'm looking at a 15 macbook pro (4GB) with FCP Studio. Not sure how I want to proceed. Vegas would be cheaper, but then I have to buy a seat of XP, and I lose out on 3D and have less options on DVD authoring... Hmm... Any thoughts? Ron Watson On May 9, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Heath wrote: I like Vegas so much that if I do get a Mac, I would still run Vegas via bootcamp or Parallels. I've been using Vegas for over 2 years now so if anyone has any questions about it, just let me know. Heath http://batmageek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ruperthowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's PC only, Ron - but Heath was suggesting using it on a Mac running Windows via Bootcamp or Parallels. Rupert --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson k9disc@ wrote: Heath, do you have a link for Vegas on Mac? I'm googling with no luck... I'll keep trying... Cheers, Ron Watson On May 9, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Heath wrote: Just to echo Rupert's comments, I use Sony Vegas and while I have not worked in HD yet, I have been paying attention to AVCHD, since Panasonic uses that as well. From what I know by checking on fourms, etc Vegas does a really good job at handling AVCHD natively. Depending on some factors you can get Sony Vegas Movie Studio for about 100 bucks and that will edit HD footage, and you can run Vegas on a Mac with bootcamp I think, maybe something to think about... Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ruperthowe rupert@ wrote: The Apple Apps all have means to ingest AVCHD footage. Not quite true. The *newest* Apple apps support AVCHD, but with limitations. The terrible (in my view) new iMovie 08, for instance supports it, but not the better iMovie 6. If you have an older version of iMovie or FCP, you're stuck. But then if you have an older Mac, you're stuck, too. Quick google told me that FCP 6 (the latest version) initially didn't allow AVCHD import, and then was updated last summer to allow it, but with big limitations - only on a Mac Pro and not natively: it transcodes to other codecs that use 10 times more space than native AVCHD. For PCs, Sony Vegas does support AVCHD - and I like Vegas a lot. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Polack ottorabbit@ wrote: Panasonic also has a hybrid camera - http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/shop/Cameras- Camcorders/Camcorders/Hi-Def-Camcorders/model.HDC- HS9_11002_7005702 Check respective NLE software sites for AVCHD workflow info. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Solid-state camera recommendation
It depends on what you want to do, but in Vegas Movie Studio versions it comes with a DVD burning application, DVD Architect. I like it, I have made, what I consider some high quality DVD's with animated menu's, chapters, etc. Just more food for thought.. ;) Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ran Vegas 3 and 4 back in 2003-2005 then I got a mac. Hadn't thought about dual booting with XP... I'm going to be doing some DVD authoring, though, and don't know whether or not I want to go back to Vegas. I mentioned this a while back, but... I'm looking at a 15 macbook pro (4GB) with FCP Studio. Not sure how I want to proceed. Vegas would be cheaper, but then I have to buy a seat of XP, and I lose out on 3D and have less options on DVD authoring... Hmm... Any thoughts? Ron Watson On May 9, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Heath wrote: I like Vegas so much that if I do get a Mac, I would still run Vegas via bootcamp or Parallels. I've been using Vegas for over 2 years now so if anyone has any questions about it, just let me know. Heath http://batmageek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ruperthowe rupert@ wrote: It's PC only, Ron - but Heath was suggesting using it on a Mac running Windows via Bootcamp or Parallels. Rupert --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson k9disc@ wrote: Heath, do you have a link for Vegas on Mac? I'm googling with no luck... I'll keep trying... Cheers, Ron Watson On May 9, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Heath wrote: Just to echo Rupert's comments, I use Sony Vegas and while I have not worked in HD yet, I have been paying attention to AVCHD, since Panasonic uses that as well. From what I know by checking on fourms, etc Vegas does a really good job at handling AVCHD natively. Depending on some factors you can get Sony Vegas Movie Studio for about 100 bucks and that will edit HD footage, and you can run Vegas on a Mac with bootcamp I think, maybe something to think about... Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ruperthowe rupert@ wrote: The Apple Apps all have means to ingest AVCHD footage. Not quite true. The *newest* Apple apps support AVCHD, but with limitations. The terrible (in my view) new iMovie 08, for instance supports it, but not the better iMovie 6. If you have an older version of iMovie or FCP, you're stuck. But then if you have an older Mac, you're stuck, too. Quick google told me that FCP 6 (the latest version) initially didn't allow AVCHD import, and then was updated last summer to allow it, but with big limitations - only on a Mac Pro and not natively: it transcodes to other codecs that use 10 times more space than native AVCHD. For PCs, Sony Vegas does support AVCHD - and I like Vegas a lot. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Polack ottorabbit@ wrote: Panasonic also has a hybrid camera - http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer- electronics/shop/Cameras- Camcorders/Camcorders/Hi-Def-Camcorders/model.HDC- HS9_11002_7005702 Check respective NLE software sites for AVCHD workflow info. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Solid-state camera recommendation
Editing AVCHD on PC natively is now possible without any issues in Adobe Premiere CS3 with an add on from Mainconcept called MainConcept MPEG Pro HDV 3.1.0. You would of course need a fast Intel Core Duo 2 machine with at least 2.6GHZ processor and 4GB RAM plus RAID0 hard drive configuration. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ruperthowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Apple Apps all have means to ingest AVCHD footage. Not quite true. The *newest* Apple apps support AVCHD, but with limitations. The terrible (in my view) new iMovie 08, for instance supports it, but not the better iMovie 6. If you have an older version of iMovie or FCP, you're stuck. But then if you have an older Mac, you're stuck, too. Quick google told me that FCP 6 (the latest version) initially didn't allow AVCHD import, and then was updated last summer to allow it, but with big limitations - only on a Mac Pro and not natively: it transcodes to other codecs that use 10 times more space than native AVCHD. For PCs, Sony Vegas does support AVCHD - and I like Vegas a lot. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Polack ottorabbit@ wrote: Panasonic also has a hybrid camera - http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/shop/Cameras-Camcorders/Camcorders/Hi-Def-Camcorders/model.HDC-HS9_11002_7005702 Check respective NLE software sites for AVCHD workflow info.
[videoblogging] Re: Solid-state camera recommendation
Canon blogger relations gave me the chance to play with a Canon HG10 last month. It's almost identical to the HV20, but records to HDD instead of tape. You need a program that will capture AVCHD from it. I don't really know what AVCHD means technically, nor do I really care, but it seems only some apps will handle it. There's an SD card, but I think for photos only, not for video (I could be wrong) - and I'm pretty sure it'll shoot SD DV as well as full HD. Is niiiccee. Rupert --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Amirault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Adam Quirk I'm looking for a camera that can record in both HD and SD formats, and records to a solid-state media like flash or HDD. Does anyone know of something like this? I know of plenty of examples of either, but none of both. Hmmm. hard drives are *not* solid-state. Richard Amirault Boston, MA, USA http://n1jdu.org http://bostonfandom.org http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7hf9u2ZdlQ
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Hi, I am still using a miniDV HDV camera (sony hc1e), but the more recent cameras either use HDD (internal hard disk) or memory cards (P2, SD (very fast cards only), SxS, memory stick pro (from sony)). I think there is none that can tape simultaneously for HDD+SD or miniDV +SD, and on that Canon HG10 or Sony SR11 i think you have to opt for solid state or disk, you cannot do the two at the same time. The main differences between so many models is normally the top stream rate that they can do in terms of AVHCD (MPEG2 stream on files), quality of the lenses and flexibility of recording modes. I think there is a big shift in the camera models and especially on the recording part of the camcorders and so you have to choose what is best for what you want to do, and also don't forget to think if you are going to use it with another camera and so if the two pictures will merge ok in the timeline. As all these is always changing, you also have to check if your editing workflow is compatible with that specific camera you want. hope i help you a little on your question and maybe Ruppert can add more on the compatibility on the editing of those HG10 pictures. Rgds ZN note: I hope that the next video cameras will be much more like RED digital cinema camera and we start to use the more flexible raw codecs because that will be a big and good step forward. On May 7, 2008, at 21:13 , ruperthowe wrote: Canon blogger relations gave me the chance to play with a Canon HG10 last month. It's almost identical to the HV20, but records to HDD instead of tape. You need a program that will capture AVCHD from it. I don't really know what AVCHD means technically, nor do I really care, but it seems only some apps will handle it. There's an SD card, but I think for photos only, not for video (I could be wrong) - and I'm pretty sure it'll shoot SD DV as well as full HD. Is niiiccee. Rupert - Original Message - From: Adam Quirk I'm looking for a camera that can record in both HD and SD formats, and records to a solid-state media like flash or HDD. Does anyone know of something like this? I know of plenty of examples of either, but none of both.
[videoblogging] Re: Solid-state camera recommendation
Ze's the man. One thing that's worth noting - you might know this already - is that with the Canon HV20 you can shoot in HD but choose to output from the camera in Standard Def DV. Which is useful if you find yourself having to cut on an older system that can't handle/capture/cut your HD footage. But, crucially, as I'm writing this I'm realising that I don't think the HG10 has this facility. Something to do with the AVCHD, no doubt. So actually, this message is useless to you. But might be useful to someone else. So I'll send it anyway. La di da. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, J. N. Pereira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am still using a miniDV HDV camera (sony hc1e), but the more recent cameras either use HDD (internal hard disk) or memory cards (P2, SD (very fast cards only), SxS, memory stick pro (from sony)). I think there is none that can tape simultaneously for HDD+SD or miniDV +SD, and on that Canon HG10 or Sony SR11 i think you have to opt for solid state or disk, you cannot do the two at the same time. The main differences between so many models is normally the top stream rate that they can do in terms of AVHCD (MPEG2 stream on files), quality of the lenses and flexibility of recording modes. I think there is a big shift in the camera models and especially on the recording part of the camcorders and so you have to choose what is best for what you want to do, and also don't forget to think if you are going to use it with another camera and so if the two pictures will merge ok in the timeline. As all these is always changing, you also have to check if your editing workflow is compatible with that specific camera you want. hope i help you a little on your question and maybe Ruppert can add more on the compatibility on the editing of those HG10 pictures. Rgds ZN note: I hope that the next video cameras will be much more like RED digital cinema camera and we start to use the more flexible raw codecs because that will be a big and good step forward. On May 7, 2008, at 21:13 , ruperthowe wrote: Canon blogger relations gave me the chance to play with a Canon HG10 last month. It's almost identical to the HV20, but records to HDD instead of tape. You need a program that will capture AVCHD from it. I don't really know what AVCHD means technically, nor do I really care, but it seems only some apps will handle it. There's an SD card, but I think for photos only, not for video (I could be wrong) - and I'm pretty sure it'll shoot SD DV as well as full HD. Is niiiccee. Rupert - Original Message - From: Adam Quirk I'm looking for a camera that can record in both HD and SD formats, and records to a solid-state media like flash or HDD. Does anyone know of something like this? I know of plenty of examples of either, but none of both.
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Right, that's what my main concern is. Having the ability to shoot either in HD or SD. The HV20 does this, as does the HV30. Unfortunately neither of those are available to record to an HDD or flash memory. I was all excited about the new Vixia HF10 because it records to an internal flash memory and shoots HD, but then I read that it is incapable of switching over to SD resolution. http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Canon-Vixia-HF10-Camcorder-Review-34711/Format.htm I really need both HD and SD options available, because the project I'm working on is going to need to shoot SD for a while, but will probably move to HD in the coming year or two and won't want to buy a whole bunch of new cameras. We'll be buying at least 4 of them this year. -- *Adam Quirk* / Producer, Wreck Salvage LLC / [EMAIL PROTECTED] /+1 551.208.4644 (m) / imbullemhead (aim) On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:49 PM, ruperthowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ze's the man. One thing that's worth noting - you might know this already - is that with the Canon HV20 you can shoot in HD but choose to output from the camera in Standard Def DV. Which is useful if you find yourself having to cut on an older system that can't handle/capture/cut your HD footage. But, crucially, as I'm writing this I'm realising that I don't think the HG10 has this facility. Something to do with the AVCHD, no doubt. So actually, this message is useless to you. But might be useful to someone else. So I'll send it anyway. La di da. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, J. N. Pereira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am still using a miniDV HDV camera (sony hc1e), but the more recent cameras either use HDD (internal hard disk) or memory cards (P2, SD (very fast cards only), SxS, memory stick pro (from sony)). I think there is none that can tape simultaneously for HDD+SD or miniDV +SD, and on that Canon HG10 or Sony SR11 i think you have to opt for solid state or disk, you cannot do the two at the same time. The main differences between so many models is normally the top stream rate that they can do in terms of AVHCD (MPEG2 stream on files), quality of the lenses and flexibility of recording modes. I think there is a big shift in the camera models and especially on the recording part of the camcorders and so you have to choose what is best for what you want to do, and also don't forget to think if you are going to use it with another camera and so if the two pictures will merge ok in the timeline. As all these is always changing, you also have to check if your editing workflow is compatible with that specific camera you want. hope i help you a little on your question and maybe Ruppert can add more on the compatibility on the editing of those HG10 pictures. Rgds ZN note: I hope that the next video cameras will be much more like RED digital cinema camera and we start to use the more flexible raw codecs because that will be a big and good step forward. On May 7, 2008, at 21:13 , ruperthowe wrote: Canon blogger relations gave me the chance to play with a Canon HG10 last month. It's almost identical to the HV20, but records to HDD instead of tape. You need a program that will capture AVCHD from it. I don't really know what AVCHD means technically, nor do I really care, but it seems only some apps will handle it. There's an SD card, but I think for photos only, not for video (I could be wrong) - and I'm pretty sure it'll shoot SD DV as well as full HD. Is niiiccee. Rupert - Original Message - From: Adam Quirk I'm looking for a camera that can record in both HD and SD formats, and records to a solid-state media like flash or HDD. Does anyone know of something like this? I know of plenty of examples of either, but none of both. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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yeah. sony sr11, seems to be more flexible in that regard, but i think its also more expensive than canon. http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551storeId=10151langId=-1productId=8198552921665291500 Format(s) Supported : HD: MPEG4 AVC/H.264 SD: MPEG2 Recording and Playback Times : High Definition: FH = 7 hours 10 min. HQ = 14 hours and 40 min. SP = 17 hours and 50 min. LP = 22 hours and 50 min. Standard Definition: HQ = 14 hours and 40 min. SP = 21 hours and 50 min. LP = 41 hours and 50 min. When using 8GB Memory Stick PRO Duo™ Media (sold separately): High Definition: FH = up to 55 min., HQ = up to 115 min. SP = up to 140 min., LP = up to 180 min. Standard Definition: HQ = up to 115 min., SP = up to 170 min., LP = up to 5 hours 25 min. (I am not endorsing it, as for my self i actually have been buying sony's, but i would not say no to a better canon either, i don't really know what will be my next camera) As for HD to SD conversion if you have the time and cpu, i am sure it can be done and if done in a proper way can even end up with a very good (better then) SD true progressive picture. But is one more step between recording and the timeline, instead of the real time firewire most HDV cameras do when you capture directly to SD. Rgds, ZN On May 7, 2008, at 22:59 , Adam Quirk wrote: Right, that's what my main concern is. Having the ability to shoot either in HD or SD. The HV20 does this, as does the HV30. Unfortunately neither of those are available to record to an HDD or flash memory. I was all excited about the new Vixia HF10 because it records to an internal flash memory and shoots HD, but then I read that it is incapable of switching over to SD resolution. http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Canon-Vixia-HF10-Camcorder-Review-34711/Format.htm I really need both HD and SD options available, because the project I'm working on is going to need to shoot SD for a while, but will probably move to HD in the coming year or two and won't want to buy a whole bunch of new cameras. We'll be buying at least 4 of them this year. -- *Adam Quirk* / Producer, Wreck Salvage LLC / [EMAIL PROTECTED] /+1 551.208.4644 (m) / imbullemhead (aim) On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:49 PM, ruperthowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ze's the man. One thing that's worth noting - you might know this already - is that with the Canon HV20 you can shoot in HD but choose to output from the camera in Standard Def DV. Which is useful if you find yourself having to cut on an older system that can't handle/capture/cut your HD footage. But, crucially, as I'm writing this I'm realising that I don't think the HG10 has this facility. Something to do with the AVCHD, no doubt. So actually, this message is useless to you. But might be useful to someone else. So I'll send it anyway. La di da. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, J. N. Pereira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am still using a miniDV HDV camera (sony hc1e), but the more recent cameras either use HDD (internal hard disk) or memory cards (P2, SD (very fast cards only), SxS, memory stick pro (from sony)). I think there is none that can tape simultaneously for HDD+SD or miniDV +SD, and on that Canon HG10 or Sony SR11 i think you have to opt for solid state or disk, you cannot do the two at the same time. The main differences between so many models is normally the top stream rate that they can do in terms of AVHCD (MPEG2 stream on files), quality of the lenses and flexibility of recording modes. I think there is a big shift in the camera models and especially on the recording part of the camcorders and so you have to choose what is best for what you want to do, and also don't forget to think if you are going to use it with another camera and so if the two pictures will merge ok in the timeline. As all these is always changing, you also have to check if your editing workflow is compatible with that specific camera you want. hope i help you a little on your question and maybe Ruppert can add more on the compatibility on the editing of those HG10 pictures. Rgds ZN note: I hope that the next video cameras will be much more like RED digital cinema camera and we start to use the more flexible raw codecs because that will be a big and good step forward. On May 7, 2008, at 21:13 , ruperthowe wrote: Canon blogger relations gave me the chance to play with a Canon HG10 last month. It's almost identical to the HV20, but records to HDD instead of tape. You need a program that will capture AVCHD from it. I don't really know what AVCHD means technically, nor do I really care, but it seems only some apps will handle it. There's an SD card, but I think for photos only, not for video (I could be wrong) - and I'm pretty sure it'll shoot SD DV as well as full HD. Is niiiccee. Rupert -
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That looks like exactly what we need. Thanks a lot! -- *Adam Quirk* / Producer, Wreck Salvage LLC / [EMAIL PROTECTED] /+1 551.208.4644 (m) / imbullemhead (aim) On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 5:49 PM, J. N. Pereira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah. sony sr11, seems to be more flexible in that regard, but i think its also more expensive than canon. http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551storeId=10151langId=-1productId=8198552921665291500 Format(s) Supported : HD: MPEG4 AVC/H.264 SD: MPEG2 Recording and Playback Times : High Definition: FH = 7 hours 10 min. HQ = 14 hours and 40 min. SP = 17 hours and 50 min. LP = 22 hours and 50 min. Standard Definition: HQ = 14 hours and 40 min. SP = 21 hours and 50 min. LP = 41 hours and 50 min. When using 8GB Memory Stick PRO Duo Media (sold separately): High Definition: FH = up to 55 min., HQ = up to 115 min. SP = up to 140 min., LP = up to 180 min. Standard Definition: HQ = up to 115 min., SP = up to 170 min., LP = up to 5 hours 25 min. (I am not endorsing it, as for my self i actually have been buying sony's, but i would not say no to a better canon either, i don't really know what will be my next camera) As for HD to SD conversion if you have the time and cpu, i am sure it can be done and if done in a proper way can even end up with a very good (better then) SD true progressive picture. But is one more step between recording and the timeline, instead of the real time firewire most HDV cameras do when you capture directly to SD. Rgds, ZN On May 7, 2008, at 22:59 , Adam Quirk wrote: Right, that's what my main concern is. Having the ability to shoot either in HD or SD. The HV20 does this, as does the HV30. Unfortunately neither of those are available to record to an HDD or flash memory. I was all excited about the new Vixia HF10 because it records to an internal flash memory and shoots HD, but then I read that it is incapable of switching over to SD resolution. http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Canon-Vixia-HF10-Camcorder-Review-34711/Format.htm I really need both HD and SD options available, because the project I'm working on is going to need to shoot SD for a while, but will probably move to HD in the coming year or two and won't want to buy a whole bunch of new cameras. We'll be buying at least 4 of them this year. -- *Adam Quirk* / Producer, Wreck Salvage LLC / [EMAIL PROTECTED] /+1 551.208.4644 (m) / imbullemhead (aim) On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:49 PM, ruperthowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ze's the man. One thing that's worth noting - you might know this already - is that with the Canon HV20 you can shoot in HD but choose to output from the camera in Standard Def DV. Which is useful if you find yourself having to cut on an older system that can't handle/capture/cut your HD footage. But, crucially, as I'm writing this I'm realising that I don't think the HG10 has this facility. Something to do with the AVCHD, no doubt. So actually, this message is useless to you. But might be useful to someone else. So I'll send it anyway. La di da. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, J. N. Pereira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am still using a miniDV HDV camera (sony hc1e), but the more recent cameras either use HDD (internal hard disk) or memory cards (P2, SD (very fast cards only), SxS, memory stick pro (from sony)). I think there is none that can tape simultaneously for HDD+SD or miniDV +SD, and on that Canon HG10 or Sony SR11 i think you have to opt for solid state or disk, you cannot do the two at the same time. The main differences between so many models is normally the top stream rate that they can do in terms of AVHCD (MPEG2 stream on files), quality of the lenses and flexibility of recording modes. I think there is a big shift in the camera models and especially on the recording part of the camcorders and so you have to choose what is best for what you want to do, and also don't forget to think if you are going to use it with another camera and so if the two pictures will merge ok in the timeline. As all these is always changing, you also have to check if your editing workflow is compatible with that specific camera you want. hope i help you a little on your question and maybe Ruppert can add more on the compatibility on the editing of those HG10 pictures. Rgds ZN note: I hope that the next video cameras will be much more like RED digital cinema camera and we start to use the more flexible raw codecs because that will be a big and good step forward. On May 7, 2008, at 21:13 , ruperthowe wrote: Canon blogger relations gave me the chance to play with a Canon HG10 last month. It's almost identical to the HV20, but records to HDD instead of tape. You need a program that will capture AVCHD from it. I don't
