Re: [videoblogging] Why I chose M4V temporarily
Eric Rice wrote: So, in short, publishing to M4V was a shortcut that sorta worked, minus the brain fart I had with editing the wrong server's MIME type. It was fast, had good quality and I might revisit it sooner, but in all actuality, I'll prolly do as much as I can to mimic those settings in 3ivx to kick out .MOV files for all general podcast applications. As mentioned, the 3ivx/.mov combo has been working well for me. I can always adjust the sliders in the 3ivx prefs to affect quality/size if needed, and it's iPod ready. :) Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Why I chose M4V temporarily
Okay, so lots of good discussion about formats. Some backstory first. When Apple came out with Quicktime 7, I was annoyed because it seemed that with the 3ivx codec, they took away the ability to encode it with MPEG4 audio and replaced it AAC. Now many vloggers I know (I'll use Steve for example) held out and stayed with Quicktime 6. Remember, Apple sorta goofed on the first 7.0 release and some compatibility issues plagued us until they came out with 7.01. Good news is that all the videos I made with 3ivx (mpeg/aac) were automatically ipod video-ready. That was the SWEETEST accident ever! So, yay for 3ivx. So on to h.264... no shortage of conversation there--- many folks decided that 3ivx was *good enough* and stuck with it, seeing only minor differences in quality, and improved encoding/processing time. H264 works as well, but takes forever to encode. Fast forward to today. I've got the first of two HD cameras in my arsenal and I couldn't (in the time I had to work with it) get 3ivx to give me the quality I was looking for. Also, I wasn't interested in waiting for H264 video to encode. We had this quicktime-to-ipod format which had its voodoo extension show up when the ipod video was announced. What I discovered in my tests: Outputting to the M4V was uber fast and low file size. By A LOT. Since so much traffic comes from iTunes (and they feature my videoblog from time to time) I said to hell with it and made those videos m4v's. When I had more time to encode when I got back from travelling, I found that I *could* get 3ivx to maintain a reasonable quality for the footage I shot in HD, although the file sizes were a bit awkward (my last video is 6 minutes, 480x272, HIGH with auto bitrate = 122 MB. ouchie) H264 didn't give me much better results or quality. So, in short, publishing to M4V was a shortcut that sorta worked, minus the brain fart I had with editing the wrong server's MIME type. It was fast, had good quality and I might revisit it sooner, but in all actuality, I'll prolly do as much as I can to mimic those settings in 3ivx to kick out .MOV files for all general podcast applications. Cheers, Eric http://ericrice.com Coming soon: the Epsilon Construct --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How absolutely embarrassing. All of that trouble I was having with MIME types (m4v thread) was a PEBKAC issue (problem exists between keyboard and chair). I spent all this time trying to edit the MIME types on backstaging.com to no avail-- the videos would STILL not work. I suppose that's because the video files don't live there, they live on a hosted blog server that I don't have access to(duhhh). so I was editing something completely unrelated. So basically, it's like if you got a headache and I gave your neighbor some aspirin. Thanks everyone for the help. :-) ER http://ericrice.com coming soon: the epsilon construct Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Why I chose M4V temporarily
Dude, m4v is nothing other than mp4 encoding at default settings preset by Apple. m4v is a myth. It is not a format. It is simply a file extension pulled out of the ether, but not a different file type. You could name it mp4 or mov as that would more accurately define the file type and you wouldn't have to screw with the mime settings on your server. -Josh On 12/13/05, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, so lots of good discussion about formats. Some backstory first. When Apple came out with Quicktime 7, I was annoyed because it seemed that with the 3ivx codec, they took away the ability to encode it with MPEG4 audio and replaced it AAC. Now many vloggers I know (I'll use Steve for example) held out and stayed with Quicktime 6. Remember, Apple sorta goofed on the first 7.0 release and some compatibility issues plagued us until they came out with 7.01. Good news is that all the videos I made with 3ivx (mpeg/aac) were automatically ipod video-ready. That was the SWEETEST accident ever! So, yay for 3ivx. So on to h.264... no shortage of conversation there--- many folks decided that 3ivx was *good enough* and stuck with it, seeing only minor differences in quality, and improved encoding/processing time. H264 works as well, but takes forever to encode. Fast forward to today. I've got the first of two HD cameras in my arsenal and I couldn't (in the time I had to work with it) get 3ivx to give me the quality I was looking for. Also, I wasn't interested in waiting for H264 video to encode. We had this quicktime-to-ipod format which had its voodoo extension show up when the ipod video was announced. What I discovered in my tests: Outputting to the M4V was uber fast and low file size. By A LOT. Since so much traffic comes from iTunes (and they feature my videoblog from time to time) I said to hell with it and made those videos m4v's. When I had more time to encode when I got back from travelling, I found that I *could* get 3ivx to maintain a reasonable quality for the footage I shot in HD, although the file sizes were a bit awkward (my last video is 6 minutes, 480x272, HIGH with auto bitrate = 122 MB. ouchie) H264 didn't give me much better results or quality. So, in short, publishing to M4V was a shortcut that sorta worked, minus the brain fart I had with editing the wrong server's MIME type. It was fast, had good quality and I might revisit it sooner, but in all actuality, I'll prolly do as much as I can to mimic those settings in 3ivx to kick out .MOV files for all general podcast applications. Cheers, Eric http://ericrice.com Coming soon: the Epsilon Construct --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How absolutely embarrassing. All of that trouble I was having with MIME types (m4v thread) was a PEBKAC issue (problem exists between keyboard and chair). I spent all this time trying to edit the MIME types on backstaging.com to no avail-- the videos would STILL not work. I suppose that's because the video files don't live there, they live on a hosted blog server that I don't have access to(duhhh). so I was editing something completely unrelated. So basically, it's like if you got a headache and I gave your neighbor some aspirin. Thanks everyone for the help. :-) ER http://ericrice.com coming soon: the epsilon construct Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [videoblogging] Why I chose M4V temporarily
Dude, m4v is nothing other than mp4 encoding at default settings preset by Apple. m4v is a myth. It is not a format. It is simply a file extension pulled out of the ether, but not a different file type. You could name it mp4 or mov as that would more accurately define the file type and you wouldn't have to screw with the mime settings on your server. This is not entirely accurate. The M4V saved out by Save for iPod defaults to H.264 with AAC audio. The M4V files available for sale through iTMS are VRML Media video, which makes M4V a wrapper format of some kind, which allows Apple to add DRM. Renaming the file from M4V to MP4 works for playback in QuickTime, but does not work for playback in other places where MP4 is normally supported because the files aren't recognized by all MP4 codecs. Jake Ludington http://www.PodcastingStarterKit.com http://www.jakeludington.com http://www.sync2play.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Why I chose M4V temporarily
This is not entirely accurate. The M4V saved out by Save for iPod defaults to H.264 with AAC audio. The M4V files available for sale through iTMS are VRML Media video, which makes M4V a wrapper format of some kind, which allows Apple to add DRM. Renaming the file from M4V to MP4 works for playback in QuickTime, but does not work for playback in other places where MP4 is normally supported because the files aren't recognized by all MP4 codecs. That's because its h.264. You need an h.264 decoder to view it... hence QT 7. -Josh On 12/13/05, Jake Ludington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, m4v is nothing other than mp4 encoding at default settings preset by Apple. m4v is a myth. It is not a format. It is simply a file extension pulled out of the ether, but not a different file type. You could name it mp4 or mov as that would more accurately define the file type and you wouldn't have to screw with the mime settings on your server. This is not entirely accurate. The M4V saved out by Save for iPod defaults to H.264 with AAC audio. The M4V files available for sale through iTMS are VRML Media video, which makes M4V a wrapper format of some kind, which allows Apple to add DRM. Renaming the file from M4V to MP4 works for playback in QuickTime, but does not work for playback in other places where MP4 is normally supported because the files aren't recognized by all MP4 codecs. Jake Ludington http://www.PodcastingStarterKit.com http://www.jakeludington.com http://www.sync2play.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [videoblogging] Why I chose M4V temporarily
That's because its h.264. You need an h.264 decoder to view it... hence QT 7. Thanks Captain Obvious! ;) My point is, changing the file extension doesn't mean it will play back with *all* H.264 decoders, because it won't. Jake Ludington http://www.PodcastingStarterKit.com http://www.jakeludington.com http://www.sync2play.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Why I chose M4V temporarily
Thanks Captain Obvious! ;) My point is, changing the file extension doesn't mean it will play back with *all* H.264 decoders, because it won't. You're correct, but it does solve the mime-type issue on the server side. -Josh On 12/13/05, Jake Ludington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's because its h.264. You need an h.264 decoder to view it... hence QT 7. Thanks Captain Obvious! ;) My point is, changing the file extension doesn't mean it will play back with *all* H.264 decoders, because it won't. Jake Ludington http://www.PodcastingStarterKit.com http://www.jakeludington.com http://www.sync2play.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [videoblogging] Why I chose M4V temporarily
On Behalf Of Joshua Kinberg You're correct, but it does solve the mime-type issue on the server side. If you specify a mime-type associated with M4V, it will work correctly as is. You don't need to swap the extension, simply put this in your .htaccess file: AddType video/mp4 .m4v Although I've also seen it suggested that this is a correct method: video/x-m4v .m4v Jake Ludington http://www.PodcastingStarterKit.com http://www.jakeludington.com http://www.sync2play.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Why I chose M4V temporarily
Yes... this is the method I;ve previously suggested to folks. However, not everyone is technically capable of doing this. Even Eric Rice, who is a technically savvy dude has had trouble here. -Josh On 12/13/05, Jake Ludington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Behalf Of Joshua Kinberg You're correct, but it does solve the mime-type issue on the server side. If you specify a mime-type associated with M4V, it will work correctly as is. You don't need to swap the extension, simply put this in your .htaccess file: AddType video/mp4 .m4v Although I've also seen it suggested that this is a correct method: video/x-m4v .m4v Jake Ludington http://www.PodcastingStarterKit.com http://www.jakeludington.com http://www.sync2play.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
