[videoblogging] Re: Another bug in FeedBurner stats?

2005-12-15 Thread Rick Klau
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "LeanBackVids.com" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I guess, but 889 readers (84%) from My Yahoo seems very suspicious.
> 
> VlogMap's Blog was featured on the default My Yahoo page a few months
> ago and we didn't even get that many new readers then.  Now VlogMap's
> feed shows a ton of readers from Google Desktop (48%)?
> 
> Until I see a traffic increase on my server stats, I'm sticking to my
> bug theory.

Yep, this is a known issue:

http://forums.feedburner.com/viewtopic.php?t=1829

Yahoo's working on correcting their reporting. Since we just pass 
through whatever number Yahoo passes to us (ditto the other web-based 
aggregators like Bloglines, NewsGator Online), we're not doing any 
interpretation of the centralized services numbers and therefore can't 
really apply any corrective filter to those numbers if/when they're 
mis-reported.

I expect Yahoo will correct this in short order, and things will go 
back to normal. As always, if anyone is seeing behavior that looks 
funky, just drop us a line at feedback -at- feedburner.com.

--Rick



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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Another bug in FeedBurner stats?

2005-12-15 Thread Markus Sandy






doh.  now i see them - thanks matt!

LeanBackVids.com wrote:

  More links were added to the right-hand column when the detailed stats
were added to the bottom.

-Matt
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
  
hi matt,

i find those pages very useful for finding new vlogs

i wish there was a link from your stat pages to the vlog itself
there used to be a link to the feed on the details page and that was 
better than nothing
but that disappeared recently when the detailed stats table was added

i just blinked, so it's probably changed already ;)

markus

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  It is disappointing to me when I cannot justify the numbers that are
being reported, especially since I'm publicizing this feature on
  

  
  VlogMap.
  
  

   

  


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[videoblogging] Re: Another bug in FeedBurner stats?

2005-12-15 Thread LeanBackVids.com
More links were added to the right-hand column when the detailed stats
were added to the bottom.

-Matt
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http://leanbackvids.com
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> hi matt,
> 
> i find those pages very useful for finding new vlogs
> 
> i wish there was a link from your stat pages to the vlog itself
> there used to be a link to the feed on the details page and that was 
> better than nothing
> but that disappeared recently when the detailed stats table was added
> 
> i just blinked, so it's probably changed already ;)
> 
> markus
> 
> LeanBackVids.com wrote:
> 
> > It is disappointing to me when I cannot justify the numbers that are
> >being reported, especially since I'm publicizing this feature on
VlogMap.
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us
> 
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> http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com
> http://node101.org
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Another bug in FeedBurner stats?

2005-12-15 Thread Markus Sandy
hi matt,

i find those pages very useful for finding new vlogs

i wish there was a link from your stat pages to the vlog itself
there used to be a link to the feed on the details page and that was 
better than nothing
but that disappeared recently when the detailed stats table was added

i just blinked, so it's probably changed already ;)

markus

LeanBackVids.com wrote:

> It is disappointing to me when I cannot justify the numbers that are
>being reported, especially since I'm publicizing this feature on VlogMap.
>  
>


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Another bug in FeedBurner stats?

2005-12-15 Thread Michael Sullivan



any relevance?http://www.burningdoor.com/feedburner/archives/001543.htmlOn 12/15/05, 
LeanBackVids.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I couldn't agree more.  Actual downloads is a much better statisticthan feed subscribers.  The problem is that we don't share those numbers.Other than the fact that many vloggers use the VlogMap-FeedBurner page
as a way to see rankings, I like to analyze my own FeedBurnerreadership numbers to see what the penetration for each aggregator is. It is disappointing to me when I cannot justify the numbers that arebeing reported, especially since I'm publicizing this feature on VlogMap.
I've always thought that the FB numbers were at best slightlyaccurate, but at least we were all on the same playing field.  Eventhe few aggregators that over/under reported were the same for all ofus.  However, that is not true the past few days.  LeanBackVids has
unfairly jumped in the ranks due to a huge increase in My Yahooreaders, but others have not.  I just can't see how LBV got over 80%of its readers from a aggregator that was barely listed two days ago.Sucks - maybe the 2nd-most popular feature on VlogMap has become less
valuable overnight.-Matt---http://ridertech.comhttp://leanbackvids.comhttp://vlogmap.org
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Streeter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> I have no idea if they're stats are accurate or not. According to
> their stats subscriptions have been pretty flat for about a month> now. No major spikes or dips. According to what they say on their> site they have some kind of algorithm so they aren't counting the
> same client twice etc. But I gotta wonder, that with all the> variables involved if there couldn't be some mistakes made. I don't> really give as much weight to the subscriber numbers as much as
> actual downloads; which is probably a closer representation of your> audience. But it's hard to account for the people who download> something every time they want to view I guess, rather than keeping
> files locally for review. And I'm pretty sure that there are a lot> of people who do this, especially those who are less tech savvy. So> really I don't really see how you can get a very accurate number for
> you audience. The best you can do is ballpark it. But I would bet> that you can at least safely assume that at least twice as many> people are downloading your videos as you have subscribers, since
> the whole RSS aggregation thing hasn't really penetrated very deep> in to popular consciousness yet.>> Bill Streeter> LO-FI SAINT LOUIS> www.lofistl.com
>>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "LeanBackVids.com"> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > I guess, but 889 readers (84%) from My Yahoo seems very suspicious.
> >> > VlogMap's Blog was featured on the default My Yahoo page a few> months> > ago and we didn't even get that many new readers then.  Now> VlogMap's> > feed shows a ton of readers from Google Desktop (48%)?
> >> > Until I see a traffic increase on my server stats, I'm sticking to> my> > bug theory.> >> > As for the image suggestion, each of our videos already has an
> image> > associated with it.  It doesn't help much since the total number of> > server requests from FeedBurner has never exceeded the listed> number> > of readers (for any of my sites).
> >> > Of course, that is probably due to caching.> >> > -Matt> > ---> > http://ridertech.com> > 
http://leanbackvids.com> > http://vlogmap.org> >> >> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
, Michael Meiser> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > >> > > Not so sure about that.> > >> > > I long thought feedburner was under-reporting. At least
> according to> > > my stats. I believe it's do to both services like blogines and> the> > > fact that RSS aggregators don't hit your feed everyday.  I sort> of> > > expected numbers would rise after they started inproving
> tracking.> > > Probably the best thing to do would be to start putting a> tracking> > > image or something in the feed so you can track unique reads of> a> > > post over multiple days...  This instead of requests or using
> an> > > API... this would give you a better idea of how many people> were> > > reading your feed daily, every other day or once a week in> addittion> > > to giving more accurate subscriber stats... Then many of you
> have> > > unique videos and unique images in your feed what do you think?> > >> > > -Mike> > >> > >> > > On Dec 15, 2005, at 10:45 AM, 
LeanBackVids.com wrote:> > >> > > I'm beginning to wonder what happened to FeedBurner's validity.> It> > > all started with the bloated Mefeedia numbers, but now I'm seeing
> > > other aggregators get reported wrong (or at least I have good> reason> > > to think so).> > >> > > In less than a few days, each of my feeds have increased due
> to "odd"> > > readers (not iTunes, FireANT or Mefeedia).  Neither My Yahoo nor> > > Google Desktop has ever been represented very high, but now they> are a> > > major chuck of the pie.  The fact that

[videoblogging] Re: Another bug in FeedBurner stats?

2005-12-15 Thread LeanBackVids.com
I couldn't agree more.  Actual downloads is a much better statistic
than feed subscribers.  The problem is that we don't share those numbers.

Other than the fact that many vloggers use the VlogMap-FeedBurner page
as a way to see rankings, I like to analyze my own FeedBurner
readership numbers to see what the penetration for each aggregator is.
 It is disappointing to me when I cannot justify the numbers that are
being reported, especially since I'm publicizing this feature on VlogMap.

I've always thought that the FB numbers were at best slightly
accurate, but at least we were all on the same playing field.  Even
the few aggregators that over/under reported were the same for all of
us.  However, that is not true the past few days.  LeanBackVids has
unfairly jumped in the ranks due to a huge increase in My Yahoo
readers, but others have not.  I just can't see how LBV got over 80%
of its readers from a aggregator that was barely listed two days ago.

Sucks - maybe the 2nd-most popular feature on VlogMap has become less
valuable overnight.

-Matt
---
http://ridertech.com
http://leanbackvids.com
http://vlogmap.org

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Streeter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have no idea if they're stats are accurate or not. According to 
> their stats subscriptions have been pretty flat for about a month 
> now. No major spikes or dips. According to what they say on their 
> site they have some kind of algorithm so they aren't counting the 
> same client twice etc. But I gotta wonder, that with all the 
> variables involved if there couldn't be some mistakes made. I don't 
> really give as much weight to the subscriber numbers as much as 
> actual downloads; which is probably a closer representation of your 
> audience. But it's hard to account for the people who download 
> something every time they want to view I guess, rather than keeping 
> files locally for review. And I'm pretty sure that there are a lot 
> of people who do this, especially those who are less tech savvy. So 
> really I don't really see how you can get a very accurate number for 
> you audience. The best you can do is ballpark it. But I would bet 
> that you can at least safely assume that at least twice as many 
> people are downloading your videos as you have subscribers, since 
> the whole RSS aggregation thing hasn't really penetrated very deep 
> in to popular consciousness yet. 
> 
> Bill Streeter
> LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
> www.lofistl.com
> 
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "LeanBackVids.com" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I guess, but 889 readers (84%) from My Yahoo seems very suspicious.
> > 
> > VlogMap's Blog was featured on the default My Yahoo page a few 
> months
> > ago and we didn't even get that many new readers then.  Now 
> VlogMap's
> > feed shows a ton of readers from Google Desktop (48%)?
> > 
> > Until I see a traffic increase on my server stats, I'm sticking to 
> my
> > bug theory.
> > 
> > As for the image suggestion, each of our videos already has an 
> image
> > associated with it.  It doesn't help much since the total number of
> > server requests from FeedBurner has never exceeded the listed 
> number
> > of readers (for any of my sites).
> > 
> > Of course, that is probably due to caching.
> > 
> > -Matt
> > ---
> > http://ridertech.com
> > http://leanbackvids.com
> > http://vlogmap.org
> > 
> > 
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Not so sure about that.
> > > 
> > > I long thought feedburner was under-reporting. At least 
> according to  
> > > my stats. I believe it's do to both services like blogines and 
> the  
> > > fact that RSS aggregators don't hit your feed everyday.  I sort 
> of  
> > > expected numbers would rise after they started inproving 
> tracking.  
> > > Probably the best thing to do would be to start putting a 
> tracking  
> > > image or something in the feed so you can track unique reads of 
> a  
> > > post over multiple days...  This instead of requests or using 
> an  
> > > API... this would give you a better idea of how many people 
> were  
> > > reading your feed daily, every other day or once a week in 
> addittion  
> > > to giving more accurate subscriber stats... Then many of you 
> have  
> > > unique videos and unique images in your feed what do you think?
> > > 
> > > -Mike
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Dec 15, 2005, at 10:45 AM, LeanBackVids.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > I'm beginning to wonder what happened to FeedBurner's validity.  
> It
> > > all started with the bloated Mefeedia numbers, but now I'm seeing
> > > other aggregators get reported wrong (or at least I have good 
> reason
> > > to think so).
> > > 
> > > In less than a few days, each of my feeds have increased due 
> to "odd"
> > > readers (not iTunes, FireANT or Mefeedia).  Neither My Yahoo nor
> > > Google Desktop has ever been represented very high, but now they 
> are a

[videoblogging] Re: Another bug in FeedBurner stats?

2005-12-15 Thread petertheman

> I'm beginning to wonder what happened to FeedBurner's validity.  It
> all started with the bloated Mefeedia numbers, but now I'm seeing
> other aggregators get reported wrong (or at least I have good reason
> to think so).

Just to be clear: the Mefeedia numbers were wrong for 6 vlogs for 1
day. The problem is fixed now, the Mefeedia numbers are correct and
real for everyone. :)

Matt, you can email Feedburner with questions like this. They're very
helpful and I'm sure they'll answer your questions in detail.

Cheers,
Peter





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[videoblogging] Re: Another bug in FeedBurner stats?

2005-12-15 Thread Bill Streeter
I have no idea if they're stats are accurate or not. According to 
their stats subscriptions have been pretty flat for about a month 
now. No major spikes or dips. According to what they say on their 
site they have some kind of algorithm so they aren't counting the 
same client twice etc. But I gotta wonder, that with all the 
variables involved if there couldn't be some mistakes made. I don't 
really give as much weight to the subscriber numbers as much as 
actual downloads; which is probably a closer representation of your 
audience. But it's hard to account for the people who download 
something every time they want to view I guess, rather than keeping 
files locally for review. And I'm pretty sure that there are a lot 
of people who do this, especially those who are less tech savvy. So 
really I don't really see how you can get a very accurate number for 
you audience. The best you can do is ballpark it. But I would bet 
that you can at least safely assume that at least twice as many 
people are downloading your videos as you have subscribers, since 
the whole RSS aggregation thing hasn't really penetrated very deep 
in to popular consciousness yet. 

Bill Streeter
LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
www.lofistl.com


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "LeanBackVids.com" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I guess, but 889 readers (84%) from My Yahoo seems very suspicious.
> 
> VlogMap's Blog was featured on the default My Yahoo page a few 
months
> ago and we didn't even get that many new readers then.  Now 
VlogMap's
> feed shows a ton of readers from Google Desktop (48%)?
> 
> Until I see a traffic increase on my server stats, I'm sticking to 
my
> bug theory.
> 
> As for the image suggestion, each of our videos already has an 
image
> associated with it.  It doesn't help much since the total number of
> server requests from FeedBurner has never exceeded the listed 
number
> of readers (for any of my sites).
> 
> Of course, that is probably due to caching.
> 
> -Matt
> ---
> http://ridertech.com
> http://leanbackvids.com
> http://vlogmap.org
> 
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Not so sure about that.
> > 
> > I long thought feedburner was under-reporting. At least 
according to  
> > my stats. I believe it's do to both services like blogines and 
the  
> > fact that RSS aggregators don't hit your feed everyday.  I sort 
of  
> > expected numbers would rise after they started inproving 
tracking.  
> > Probably the best thing to do would be to start putting a 
tracking  
> > image or something in the feed so you can track unique reads of 
a  
> > post over multiple days...  This instead of requests or using 
an  
> > API... this would give you a better idea of how many people 
were  
> > reading your feed daily, every other day or once a week in 
addittion  
> > to giving more accurate subscriber stats... Then many of you 
have  
> > unique videos and unique images in your feed what do you think?
> > 
> > -Mike
> > 
> > 
> > On Dec 15, 2005, at 10:45 AM, LeanBackVids.com wrote:
> > 
> > I'm beginning to wonder what happened to FeedBurner's validity.  
It
> > all started with the bloated Mefeedia numbers, but now I'm seeing
> > other aggregators get reported wrong (or at least I have good 
reason
> > to think so).
> > 
> > In less than a few days, each of my feeds have increased due 
to "odd"
> > readers (not iTunes, FireANT or Mefeedia).  Neither My Yahoo nor
> > Google Desktop has ever been represented very high, but now they 
are a
> > major chuck of the pie.  The fact that my server stats have not
> > deviated from the norm and do not show many referrals from these 
sites
> > makes me think it is another bug.
> > 
> > Here are my suspicious numbers...
> > 
> > LeanBackVids = 889 from My Yahoo (yeah right!)
> > VlogMap = 48 from Google Desktop (doubt it)
> > Ridertech = 36 from My Yahoo (slight chance)
> > 
> > This leads me to a point I made a while back... What happens if a
> > person wants to move off FeedBurner?  The only answer I can come 
up
> > with is that you'd be screwed.  Oh well, bloated numbers are 
better
> > than when the LBV feed got locked up in iTunes and we lost half 
our
> > readers.
> > 
> > -Matt
> > ---
> > http://ridertech.com
> > http://leanbackvids.com
> > http://vlogmap.org
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Another bug in FeedBurner stats?

2005-12-15 Thread Michael Meiser
Good to know... Anyone else? and ideas?

-Mike

On Dec 15, 2005, at 11:25 AM, LeanBackVids.com wrote:

I guess, but 889 readers (84%) from My Yahoo seems very suspicious.

VlogMap's Blog was featured on the default My Yahoo page a few months
ago and we didn't even get that many new readers then.  Now VlogMap's
feed shows a ton of readers from Google Desktop (48%)?

Until I see a traffic increase on my server stats, I'm sticking to my
bug theory.

As for the image suggestion, each of our videos already has an image
associated with it.  It doesn't help much since the total number of
server requests from FeedBurner has never exceeded the listed number
of readers (for any of my sites).

Of course, that is probably due to caching.

-Matt
---
http://ridertech.com
http://leanbackvids.com
http://vlogmap.org


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Not so sure about that.
>
> I long thought feedburner was under-reporting. At least according to
> my stats. I believe it's do to both services like blogines and the
> fact that RSS aggregators don't hit your feed everyday.  I sort of
> expected numbers would rise after they started inproving tracking.
> Probably the best thing to do would be to start putting a tracking
> image or something in the feed so you can track unique reads of a
> post over multiple days...  This instead of requests or using an
> API... this would give you a better idea of how many people were
> reading your feed daily, every other day or once a week in addittion
> to giving more accurate subscriber stats... Then many of you have
> unique videos and unique images in your feed what do you think?
>
> -Mike
>
>
> On Dec 15, 2005, at 10:45 AM, LeanBackVids.com wrote:
>
> I'm beginning to wonder what happened to FeedBurner's validity.  It
> all started with the bloated Mefeedia numbers, but now I'm seeing
> other aggregators get reported wrong (or at least I have good reason
> to think so).
>
> In less than a few days, each of my feeds have increased due to "odd"
> readers (not iTunes, FireANT or Mefeedia).  Neither My Yahoo nor
> Google Desktop has ever been represented very high, but now they are a
> major chuck of the pie.  The fact that my server stats have not
> deviated from the norm and do not show many referrals from these sites
> makes me think it is another bug.
>
> Here are my suspicious numbers...
>
> LeanBackVids = 889 from My Yahoo (yeah right!)
> VlogMap = 48 from Google Desktop (doubt it)
> Ridertech = 36 from My Yahoo (slight chance)
>
> This leads me to a point I made a while back... What happens if a
> person wants to move off FeedBurner?  The only answer I can come up
> with is that you'd be screwed.  Oh well, bloated numbers are better
> than when the LBV feed got locked up in iTunes and we lost half our
> readers.
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[videoblogging] Re: Another bug in FeedBurner stats?

2005-12-15 Thread LeanBackVids.com
I guess, but 889 readers (84%) from My Yahoo seems very suspicious.

VlogMap's Blog was featured on the default My Yahoo page a few months
ago and we didn't even get that many new readers then.  Now VlogMap's
feed shows a ton of readers from Google Desktop (48%)?

Until I see a traffic increase on my server stats, I'm sticking to my
bug theory.

As for the image suggestion, each of our videos already has an image
associated with it.  It doesn't help much since the total number of
server requests from FeedBurner has never exceeded the listed number
of readers (for any of my sites).

Of course, that is probably due to caching.

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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser
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> Not so sure about that.
> 
> I long thought feedburner was under-reporting. At least according to  
> my stats. I believe it's do to both services like blogines and the  
> fact that RSS aggregators don't hit your feed everyday.  I sort of  
> expected numbers would rise after they started inproving tracking.  
> Probably the best thing to do would be to start putting a tracking  
> image or something in the feed so you can track unique reads of a  
> post over multiple days...  This instead of requests or using an  
> API... this would give you a better idea of how many people were  
> reading your feed daily, every other day or once a week in addittion  
> to giving more accurate subscriber stats... Then many of you have  
> unique videos and unique images in your feed what do you think?
> 
> -Mike
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> On Dec 15, 2005, at 10:45 AM, LeanBackVids.com wrote:
> 
> I'm beginning to wonder what happened to FeedBurner's validity.  It
> all started with the bloated Mefeedia numbers, but now I'm seeing
> other aggregators get reported wrong (or at least I have good reason
> to think so).
> 
> In less than a few days, each of my feeds have increased due to "odd"
> readers (not iTunes, FireANT or Mefeedia).  Neither My Yahoo nor
> Google Desktop has ever been represented very high, but now they are a
> major chuck of the pie.  The fact that my server stats have not
> deviated from the norm and do not show many referrals from these sites
> makes me think it is another bug.
> 
> Here are my suspicious numbers...
> 
> LeanBackVids = 889 from My Yahoo (yeah right!)
> VlogMap = 48 from Google Desktop (doubt it)
> Ridertech = 36 from My Yahoo (slight chance)
> 
> This leads me to a point I made a while back... What happens if a
> person wants to move off FeedBurner?  The only answer I can come up
> with is that you'd be screwed.  Oh well, bloated numbers are better
> than when the LBV feed got locked up in iTunes and we lost half our
> readers.
> 
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> http://leanbackvids.com
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