[videoblogging] Re: CBS starting a podcast (Response To David)
There is no reason to be down on, or blame main stream media. Its not anyone's fault. The limited access has been a restriction of technology. Growing up with only 3 stations on TV, its not hard to imagine how it came to be that it would be expensive to deal with. Now that technology has bloomed, media can bloom. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 8, 2005, at 2:09 PM, Clint Sharp wrote: Well, I'd just like to add that I hate the MSM (I don't type out the full name anymore, lest you know who see what I'm saying). Understandably, I'm still upset with them for stealing my candy as a child, stunting my growth, forcing me to like meat, and killing my mother. Very soon I will have amassed the power necessary to overthrow the establishment. Very soon, I will have be having a very large concert. When 100,000 souls think as one, the power is undeniable! The day of reckoning is nigh! You go harry! Get that nasty he who must not be named. LOL! :P In all honesty though I agree, there's a lot of anti-MSM angst out there. 50+ years of eating B.S. and then ads, well 30 in my case. I sometimes get a little annoyed at the whole complaining thing but the hell with it. Let's continue to dislike and hate MSM for all it's worth. I'm not letting them off easy for a lifetime of pushing B.S. in my face. I'm going to hold my grudge for as long as it takes, which is until I can live my life free to think clear thoughts, flip on the computer and watch news and entertainement that interests me with a single click without all the B.S. A world beyond ads and devoid of homogenized and centralized programming. A world where media is dominated by smart decentralized programing and content (read completely peer-based content and channels). NO MERCY! BTW, On a side note I've been checking out Odeo. What really blows my socks off about it (and how indirectly relates to this), is that in addition to the single-click subscription mechanism they have a single click queuing mechanism which I'm really in love with. It's another step in increased efficiency. TO look at it from the bigger picture you add the queueing, to the tagging, to the play anytime and anywhere and what we're really seeing is more systems for inter-mediation going into the pipe as well as coming out of the pipe. All these systems like delicious, flickr, mefeedia, are all teaching us something about being able to better bubble up content. BTW, As far as I can see Odeo will work perfectly with video blogs and ANT. It uses a single RSS feed and pipes all the content in the queue and all your subscriptions through one feed, so it's completely aggregator independent. That said, it's still very much in beta. Most obviously, it only seems to pick up about 1 in every 8 of my video posts. -Mike Michael Meiser http://mmeiser.com/blog - fun stuff http://mmeiser.com/backchannel - serious lunacy stuff On Aug 8, 2005, at 2:09 PM, Clint Sharp wrote: Well, I'd just like to add that I hate the MSM (I don't type out the full name anymore, lest you know who see what I'm saying). Understandably, I'm still upset with them for stealing my candy as a child, stunting my growth, forcing me to like meat, and killing my mother. Very soon I will have amassed the power necessary to overthrow the establishment. Very soon, I will have be having a very large concert. When 100,000 souls think as one, the power is undeniable! The day of reckoning is nigh! Clint -- Clint Sharp New Media Guy Technologist ClintSharp.com Contact Info: http://clintsharp.com/contact/ We are the media. Yahoo! Groups Links YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: CBS starting a podcast (Response To David)
I was quite humbled when I paid a visit within CNN and Turner. There are some really progressive minds in there who are hampered by legacy modes of operations and layers of approval and/or political boundaries. There's a mutual learning experience on both sides at work here between indies and mass media groups. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no reason to be down on, or blame main stream media. Its not anyone's fault. The limited access has been a restriction of technology. Growing up with only 3 stations on TV, its not hard to imagine how it came to be that it would be expensive to deal with. Now that technology has bloomed, media can bloom. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 8, 2005, at 2:09 PM, Clint Sharp wrote: Well, I'd just like to add that I hate the MSM (I don't type out the full name anymore, lest you know who see what I'm saying). Understandably, I'm still upset with them for stealing my candy as a child, stunting my growth, forcing me to like meat, and killing my mother. Very soon I will have amassed the power necessary to overthrow the establishment. Very soon, I will have be having a very large concert. When 100,000 souls think as one, the power is undeniable! The day of reckoning is nigh! You go harry! Get that nasty he who must not be named. LOL! :P In all honesty though I agree, there's a lot of anti-MSM angst out there. 50+ years of eating B.S. and then ads, well 30 in my case. I sometimes get a little annoyed at the whole complaining thing but the hell with it. Let's continue to dislike and hate MSM for all it's worth. I'm not letting them off easy for a lifetime of pushing B.S. in my face. I'm going to hold my grudge for as long as it takes, which is until I can live my life free to think clear thoughts, flip on the computer and watch news and entertainement that interests me with a single click without all the B.S. A world beyond ads and devoid of homogenized and centralized programming. A world where media is dominated by smart decentralized programing and content (read completely peer-based content and channels). NO MERCY! BTW, On a side note I've been checking out Odeo. What really blows my socks off about it (and how indirectly relates to this), is that in addition to the single-click subscription mechanism they have a single click queuing mechanism which I'm really in love with. It's another step in increased efficiency. TO look at it from the bigger picture you add the queueing, to the tagging, to the play anytime and anywhere and what we're really seeing is more systems for inter-mediation going into the pipe as well as coming out of the pipe. All these systems like delicious, flickr, mefeedia, are all teaching us something about being able to better bubble up content. BTW, As far as I can see Odeo will work perfectly with video blogs and ANT. It uses a single RSS feed and pipes all the content in the queue and all your subscriptions through one feed, so it's completely aggregator independent. That said, it's still very much in beta. Most obviously, it only seems to pick up about 1 in every 8 of my video posts. -Mike Michael Meiser http://mmeiser.com/blog - fun stuff http://mmeiser.com/backchannel - serious lunacy stuff On Aug 8, 2005, at 2:09 PM, Clint Sharp wrote: Well, I'd just like to add that I hate the MSM (I don't type out the full name anymore, lest you know who see what I'm saying). Understandably, I'm still upset with them for stealing my candy as a child, stunting my growth, forcing me to like meat, and killing my mother. Very soon I will have amassed the power necessary to overthrow the establishment. Very soon, I will have be having a very large concert. When 100,000 souls think as one, the power is undeniable! The day of reckoning is nigh! Clint -- Clint Sharp New Media Guy Technologist ClintSharp.com Contact Info: http://clintsharp.com/contact/ We are the media. Yahoo! Groups Links YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: CBS starting a podcast (Response To David)
Speaking of CBS, they also started to vlog and just ran a national story on Rocketboom, like 5 min ago. Here it is documented on their website: http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/eveningnews/main3420.shtml --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was quite humbled when I paid a visit within CNN and Turner. There are some really progressive minds in there who are hampered by legacy modes of operations and layers of approval and/or political boundaries. There's a mutual learning experience on both sides at work here between indies and mass media groups. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no reason to be down on, or blame main stream media. Its not anyone's fault. The limited access has been a restriction of technology. Growing up with only 3 stations on TV, its not hard to imagine how it came to be that it would be expensive to deal with. Now that technology has bloomed, media can bloom. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 8, 2005, at 2:09 PM, Clint Sharp wrote: Well, I'd just like to add that I hate the MSM (I don't type out the full name anymore, lest you know who see what I'm saying). Understandably, I'm still upset with them for stealing my candy as a child, stunting my growth, forcing me to like meat, and killing my mother. Very soon I will have amassed the power necessary to overthrow the establishment. Very soon, I will have be having a very large concert. When 100,000 souls think as one, the power is undeniable! The day of reckoning is nigh! You go harry! Get that nasty he who must not be named. LOL! :P In all honesty though I agree, there's a lot of anti-MSM angst out there. 50+ years of eating B.S. and then ads, well 30 in my case. I sometimes get a little annoyed at the whole complaining thing but the hell with it. Let's continue to dislike and hate MSM for all it's worth. I'm not letting them off easy for a lifetime of pushing B.S. in my face. I'm going to hold my grudge for as long as it takes, which is until I can live my life free to think clear thoughts, flip on the computer and watch news and entertainement that interests me with a single click without all the B.S. A world beyond ads and devoid of homogenized and centralized programming. A world where media is dominated by smart decentralized programing and content (read completely peer-based content and channels). NO MERCY! BTW, On a side note I've been checking out Odeo. What really blows my socks off about it (and how indirectly relates to this), is that in addition to the single-click subscription mechanism they have a single click queuing mechanism which I'm really in love with. It's another step in increased efficiency. TO look at it from the bigger picture you add the queueing, to the tagging, to the play anytime and anywhere and what we're really seeing is more systems for inter-mediation going into the pipe as well as coming out of the pipe. All these systems like delicious, flickr, mefeedia, are all teaching us something about being able to better bubble up content. BTW, As far as I can see Odeo will work perfectly with video blogs and ANT. It uses a single RSS feed and pipes all the content in the queue and all your subscriptions through one feed, so it's completely aggregator independent. That said, it's still very much in beta. Most obviously, it only seems to pick up about 1 in every 8 of my video posts. -Mike Michael Meiser http://mmeiser.com/blog - fun stuff http://mmeiser.com/backchannel - serious lunacy stuff On Aug 8, 2005, at 2:09 PM, Clint Sharp wrote: Well, I'd just like to add that I hate the MSM (I don't type out the full name anymore, lest you know who see what I'm saying). Understandably, I'm still upset with them for stealing my candy as a child, stunting my growth, forcing me to like meat, and killing my mother. Very soon I will have amassed the power necessary to overthrow the establishment. Very soon, I will have be having a very large concert. When 100,000 souls think as one, the power is undeniable! The day of reckoning is nigh! Clint -- Clint Sharp New Media Guy Technologist ClintSharp.com Contact Info: http://clintsharp.com/contact/ We are the media. Yahoo! Groups Links YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: CBS starting a podcast (Response To David)
Here, here. Also, I applaud Gina's reply. It's definitely time to raise the bar on business as usual. Markus Jan McLaughlin wrote: Gena, Why would you take this discussion off list? I'm lovin' it. Jan -- It isn't done alone http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://blog.urbanartadventures.com . On Aug 7, 2005, at 11:29 PM, Gena wrote: But I am and will be continue to be alert. This is no longer a passive medium. If you are game then we can continue the dialog outside of the group. -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.org http://spinsummer2005.blogspot.com http://spinsummer2005meetup.blogspot.com http://vloggercuewest.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: CBS starting a podcast (Response To David)
Thank you for telling me that you work for Viacom. Disclosure is important for true communication. Point 1. Yes. You are correct. I did react. I shared how I felt when I read about a huge multi-billion dollar corporation with multiple routes of access using a tool they really don't need. I see it more of the carpet baggers are coming to town. Point 2. I have no intention of entering the contest. Trust me, they don't want someone like me and the feeling is mutual. Point 3. You are correct. That is exactly what they are doing. Appearing to be on the vanguard is not the same as taking the time to find out what is actually needed. It just seems like a huge wolf in sheep's clothing. I am not and could not deny Viacom anything. They have the right to explore new business avenues. Go for it. It doesn't mean I have to like or trust it without a foundation of facts. Point 4. MSM have been napping. Some companies haven't a clue and will no longer exist. I'm not a total luddite. I know that in the future there will be interesting synergies with independent producers and media outlets. I hope the compensation for the IPs is a lot more fair than in the past. But that is a long way off. Point 5. I mean this type of contest is old hat. It was done by radio in the 30's. Teen magazines use to do this, Early TV did this. This is a controlled marketing campaign. Nothing more. This has nothing to do with letting alternative podcasters do their thing. If you want to do it, go for it and I support you. Prove me wrong. (I am at wrong at least six times a day!) I stand by my statement. Crap. Point 6. Anybody who make the effort to put together a show is jake with me. Even MSM. I wish MSM would do it better but I am not holding my breath. I gave my thoughts as to what I believe they are thinking. Point 7 8 They have done what!?! They don't even know what CJ or Participatory Media is. They are scared to death of it. Please show me a MSM web site that consistently takes video content from bloggers and post that video as a news story. I know of one instance in San Francisco and they just snagged the video from the Internet and did not contact the blogger. He had to contact them and get his money and credit due him. I feel a major rant coming on so I'm gonna leave this one alone. This is a promotional contest for the new television season. Bottom Line: There is an open window here. Information travels both ways. I do not hate MSM. I do not trust MSM based upon my life experience and how that experience has not been reflected in MSM. I am not against capitalism or the chance to make a buck or two. But I am and will be continue to be alert. This is no longer a passive medium. If you are game then we can continue the dialog outside of the group. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: CBS starting a podcast (Response To David)
cc me too if you do ;-) On 8/7/05, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for telling me that you work for Viacom. Disclosure isimportant for true communication.Point 1. Yes. You are correct. I did react. I shared how I felt when Iread about a huge multi-billion dollar corporation with multiple routes of access using a tool they really don't need.I see it more of the carpet baggers are coming to town.Point 2. I have no intention of entering the contest. Trust me, theydon't want someone like me and the feeling is mutual. Point 3.You are correct. That is exactly what they are doing.Appearing to be on the vanguard is not the same as taking the timeto find out what is actually needed. It just seems like a huge wolf in sheep's clothing.I am not and could not deny Viacom anything. Theyhave the right to explore new business avenues.Go for it. It doesn'tmean I have to like or trust it without a foundation of facts.Point 4. MSM have been napping. Some companies haven't a clue and will no longer exist. I'm not a total luddite. I know that in the futurethere will be interesting synergies with independent producers andmedia outlets. I hope the compensation for the IPs is a lot more fairthan in the past. But that is a long way off. Point 5. I mean this type of contest is old hat. It was done by radioin the 30's. Teen magazines use to do this, Early TV did this.This is a controlled marketing campaign. Nothing more. This hasnothing to do with letting alternative podcasters do their thing. If you want to do it, go for it and I support you. Prove me wrong. (I amat wrong at least six times a day!) I stand by my statement. Crap.Point 6. Anybody who make the effort to put together a show is jake with me. Even MSM. I wish MSM would do it better but I am not holdingmy breath. I gave my thoughts as to what I believe they are thinking.Point 7 8They have done what!?! They don't even know what CJ or Participatory Media is. They are scared to death of it. Please show mea MSM web site that consistently takes video content from bloggers andpost that video as a news story. I know of one instance in SanFrancisco and they just snagged the video from the Internet and did not contact the blogger. He had to contact them and get his money andcredit due him.I feel a major rant coming on so I'm gonna leave this one alone. Thisis a promotional contest for the new television season. Bottom Line:There is an open window here. Information travels both ways. I do nothate MSM. I do not trust MSM based upon my life experience and howthat experience has not been reflected in MSM. I am not against capitalism or the chance to make a buck or two.But I am and will be continue to be alert. This is no longer a passivemedium. If you are game then we can continue the dialog outside of thegroup. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--font face=arial size=-1a href="" href="http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hd06eev/M=362329.6886308.7839368.1510227/D=groups/S=1705554021:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123478945/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992"> http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hd06eev/M=362329.6886308.7839368.1510227/D=groups/S=1705554021:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123478945/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://interdigitate.com - on again off again vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: CBS starting a podcast (Response To David)
Gena wrote: But I am and will be continue to be alert. This is no longer a passive medium. If you are game then we can continue the dialog outside of the group. I would prefer to see the discussion remain here. I think it's completely on topic. This topic is revolving around two senses of the term "podcasting". First, merely a distribution channel. Second, a means of hearing people discussing topics that won't play in a scarce medium (as opposed to hearing undiscovered talent of hollywood caliber). Clearly, what CBS proposes fits the first definition but not the second at all. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. begin:vcard fn:Charles HOPE n:HOPE;Charles org:Pokkari adr;dom:;;;Brooklyn;NY email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Partner / Developer note:http://www.blip.tv x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.pokkari.tv version:2.1 end:vcard
