Re: [videoblogging] Re: Film Terminology Question
Thanks to bill, johnie and all who settled this question, we have squeezing over here too. paul On 4 Jan 2006, at 05:50, johnie tidwell wrote: The squeeze...I remember the networks started doing that to the end credits. Well put that it is prime real estate for ads and promos and not wanting to lose their audience to a run to the kitchen or bathroom break...never really thought of that. I didn't like the end credit squeeze cause we weren't able to see our credits at the end of the show. Johnie Tidwell, Jr. "Animated Lifestyle in a Cartoon Culture" cartoonmogul.com entertainment www.cartoonmogul.com PBCliberal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Credits at the end of the show are routinely trampled upon by the airing networks. They squeeze them to the point of illegibility and surround them with garish promos, so that they can protect their valuable lead-in audience for the next show and promote other parts of their schedule. So you either put the credits somewhere else where the real estate isn't so valuable or try to make the typography so clear and bold that it can withstand resizing. I'm a big proponent of getting rid of the credit roll alltogether, and putting a permalink on the close and all the commercial bumps. There are some downsides to this, of course. As an audio guy, first on my list is there's no longer a place to put that music cue that didn't work where it was supposed to, but is cool anyway, or the pop song the megastar did for your movie that you hate but have to include for marketing reasons. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Paul Knight wrote: > > Hi Johnie, > > > > Could you shed some light on this subject for me. In american TV show > > the credits seem to go on for about 7 to 8 minutes into the show, > > sometimes even past the first commercial break, is this due to > > crediting by laws or space on the final crawl issues? I have always > > wanted to know why, even parodied them, it seems that sometimes the > > credits are in twice, once at the start and once at the end. > > It seems like the opening credits happening 10 minutes into the show > just started happening in the last few years. My guess at the time was > that it was/is an attempt to pull you into the story immediately by not > distracting you with the opening sequence and credits. (Those are my > thoughts anyway...) > > Pete > > -- > http://tinkernet.org/ > videoblog for the future... > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do yourself a favour and Visit my Vlog http://pjkproductions.blogspot.com It's worth a laugh and work friendly.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Film Terminology Question
The squeeze...I remember the networks started doing that to the end credits. Well put that it is prime real estate for ads and promos and not wanting to lose their audience to a run to the kitchen or bathroom break...never really thought of that. I didn't like the end credit squeeze cause we weren't able to see our credits at the end of the show. Johnie Tidwell, Jr. "Animated Lifestyle in a Cartoon Culture" cartoonmogul.com entertainment www.cartoonmogul.com PBCliberal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Credits at the end of the show are routinely trampled upon by theairing networks. They squeeze them to the point of illegibility andsurround them with garish promos, so that they can protect theirvaluable lead-in audience for the next show and promote other parts oftheir schedule.So you either put the credits somewhere else where the real estateisn't so valuable or try to make the typography so clear and bold thatit can withstand resizing.I'm a big proponent of getting rid of the credit roll alltogether, andputting a permalink on the close and all the commercial bumps. Thereare some downsides to this, of course. As an audio guy, first on mylist is there's no longer a place to put that music cue that didn'twork where it was supposed to, but is cool anyway, or the pop song themegastar did for your movie that you hate but have to include formarketing reasons.--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Paul Knight wrote:> > Hi Johnie,> > > > Could you shed some light on this subject for me. In american TVshow > > the credits seem to go on for about 7 to 8 minutes into the show, > > sometimes even past the first commercial break, is this due to > > crediting by laws or space on the final crawl issues? I have always > > wanted to know why, even parodied them, it seems that sometimes the > > credits are in twice, once at the start and once at the end.> > It seems like the opening credits happening 10 minutes into the show > just started happening in the last few years. My guess at the time was > that it was/is an attempt to pull you into the story immediately by not > distracting you with the opening sequence and credits. (Those are my > thoughts anyway...)> > Pete> > -- > http://tinkernet.org/> videoblog for the future...> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Film Terminology Question
Yeah I agree with that. Credit rolls are really obsolite, but it's going to take some changes in editing style to work around getting rid of them. When I first started posting video on the web I would think "film" when designing credits, but I soon realized that most people aren't going to be able to read titles like that on the web. Now I try to use large bold type over video (most of the time) rather than black and I discovered that people actually will read those. For some reason a lot of people look away when you lay text over black. I'm not sure why that is. Maybe we've been trained that black means the end or something. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "PBCliberal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Credits at the end of the show are routinely trampled upon by the > airing networks. They squeeze them to the point of illegibility and > surround them with garish promos, so that they can protect their > valuable lead-in audience for the next show and promote other parts of > their schedule. > > So you either put the credits somewhere else where the real estate > isn't so valuable or try to make the typography so clear and bold that > it can withstand resizing. > > I'm a big proponent of getting rid of the credit roll alltogether, and > putting a permalink on the close and all the commercial bumps. There > are some downsides to this, of course. As an audio guy, first on my > list is there's no longer a place to put that music cue that didn't > work where it was supposed to, but is cool anyway, or the pop song the > megastar did for your movie that you hate but have to include for > marketing reasons. > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Paul Knight wrote: > > > Hi Johnie, > > > > > > Could you shed some light on this subject for me. In american TV > show > > > the credits seem to go on for about 7 to 8 minutes into the show, > > > sometimes even past the first commercial break, is this due to > > > crediting by laws or space on the final crawl issues? I have always > > > wanted to know why, even parodied them, it seems that sometimes the > > > credits are in twice, once at the start and once at the end. > > > > It seems like the opening credits happening 10 minutes into the show > > just started happening in the last few years. My guess at the time was > > that it was/is an attempt to pull you into the story immediately by not > > distracting you with the opening sequence and credits. (Those are my > > thoughts anyway...) > > > > Pete > > > > -- > > http://tinkernet.org/ > > videoblog for the future... > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Film Terminology Question
Credits at the end of the show are routinely trampled upon by the airing networks. They squeeze them to the point of illegibility and surround them with garish promos, so that they can protect their valuable lead-in audience for the next show and promote other parts of their schedule. So you either put the credits somewhere else where the real estate isn't so valuable or try to make the typography so clear and bold that it can withstand resizing. I'm a big proponent of getting rid of the credit roll alltogether, and putting a permalink on the close and all the commercial bumps. There are some downsides to this, of course. As an audio guy, first on my list is there's no longer a place to put that music cue that didn't work where it was supposed to, but is cool anyway, or the pop song the megastar did for your movie that you hate but have to include for marketing reasons. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Paul Knight wrote: > > Hi Johnie, > > > > Could you shed some light on this subject for me. In american TV show > > the credits seem to go on for about 7 to 8 minutes into the show, > > sometimes even past the first commercial break, is this due to > > crediting by laws or space on the final crawl issues? I have always > > wanted to know why, even parodied them, it seems that sometimes the > > credits are in twice, once at the start and once at the end. > > It seems like the opening credits happening 10 minutes into the show > just started happening in the last few years. My guess at the time was > that it was/is an attempt to pull you into the story immediately by not > distracting you with the opening sequence and credits. (Those are my > thoughts anyway...) > > Pete > > -- > http://tinkernet.org/ > videoblog for the future... > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Film Terminology Question
I have nothing to contribute other than to hail the GRR ARRGH reference! ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's kind of a weird question but: > > When you have a title at the front of the movie, it's a title, or > opening credits, right? Is it also called an intro? (an example might > be Josh Leo's opening animation-with-sound at the beginning of his > posts) > > When you have a short video or animation at the end of the post, > what's it called? What about when doesn't have credits in it? (an > example of this might be the beer/CC logo sequence at the end of my > vlog posts, or-- more commercially-- the "Grr Arg" from Mutant Enemy > at the end of Joss Whedon TV shows) Is that a closing sequence? End > credits? End titles? > > I've been calling them intros and outros, but I know the second one is > made-up, I'm just hoping it was made-up by someone industry-famous and > not just by my twisted little mind. > > Thanks in advance for the help! > > --Stephanie > > -- > Stephanie Bryant > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Vlog: http://mortaine.blogspot.com > Audioblog: http://bookramble.blogspot.com > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
