[videoblogging] Re: Forget Apple TV - What about the Nintendo Wii ??
Biggest problem with Wii is minimal storage, whereas 360 and PS3 have drives. I've been working on various content delivery to the devices (Xbox is exception- no browser), and I've loved downloading media directly to the hard drive on the PS3. And yeah, Youtube works great as do many iPhone apps. IIRC, I think PS3 and XBox now support DiVX flavors. It's a step in a direction where many people aren't looking (don't rule out future of DS and the current support on the PSP). It might not be our current selection of trendy web apps, but it's living room-reaching, which might be big for some projects that we may come across in the future. I've always marveled at how Apple TV is supposed to compete in a culture (US anyway) where most of its functionality is in our cable or satellite boxes, almost all of which are coming with built in TiVo. Maybe Apple can get into gaming? Heheh, yeah right. :) ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you can but mainly only Youtube right now, because the Wii is using Flash 7 I think?but I did find a way on Cnet to do something pretty neat with the Wii, a media stream device, download Orb and then use the Wii to watch videos or listen to music, I have yet to try it out but plan to soon, so I will let you know.. Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Frank Sinton frank@ wrote: I just saw this chart - makes me think the path to the TV will not be through the Apple TV, but rather through the Wii (or PS3 or XBox360): http://www.vgchartz.com Has anyone experimented with online video on the Nintendo Wii? Looks like i will have a Wii in a few days. :) Building a Wii interface for Mefeedia may be a pet project over the holidays. Anyone else have one and watch online video? Regards, -Frank http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover the Video Web
[videoblogging] Re: Forget Apple TV - What about the Nintendo Wii ??
Okay, FAIL on my forum skills, I missed your original post. One thing I didn't clarify is that while the Wii has crap for storage, it falls into the 'streamy' category of things like present-day iPhones. There's a series of radio stations I listen to that are streamed via flash, and it works up until a point when the Wii's memory fills up. On the XBOX side, since I spend a lot of time sorta-kinda around the game space, I've been working out content delivery in an analog capacity. What's important here isn't 'oh how old fashioned' but I believe that analog media and its supporting materials is an art unto it self. Yes, you can certainly download a game, or you can buy the Collector's Edition with two tons of loot, nice posters, coffee table books etc to go along with it (look at the local ebGames or Gamestop, strategy guides now have these GORGEOUS art books). Pushing photo and audio media to xbox is done either by CD or flash drive at this time. The PS3 has the most well, promise, kind of. It's finally picking up in sales since Sony lowered the price; game developers take a million years to get things out the door, but I'll be damned, that hardware is awesome. Everything seems so right about it including the 'Install Other OS'. I use the built in browser (this is the same as my PSP too) to download the audio files from my music show to my PS3/PSP's drive. Here's where I see a lot of opportunity (and I've seen this for a while as many of the old school vloggers have dabbled in advanced content areas far longer than I have): the game space is unique in the sense that it engages a tremendous amount of media engagement. Audio, video, visuals, storytelling, social connections and the like. Nearly all of the skills we have as vloggers translate very well. I'd certainly recommend paying attention to the space as its predicted to hit some 40 billion dollars by 2010. Hundreds of millions of VC money is aimed at the game space. The writer's strike has so many people saying 'eff this, we'll do it ourselves' and more nerd/starlet hybrid companies will come out of it. And finally, about half of everyone plays games in any capacity big or small. /takes breath That's so exciting. Problem is, this is a walled garden of the most intense caliber. If it's not game titles that take 3 years and 20 million to make, you have to pound your way through to get on the console, get the dev kits (hey, Sony cut the price of their dev kit to $10,000 bucks, a 50% savings!). To wrap up this horrendously long post is a simple point: that we have such a DIY spirit that absolutely no medium should be a barrier (heh, ever wonder why some of us 'get' things like Second Life? It's a disruptor, just like all the other stuff we've done). All that connectivity, all the embracing of things like Flash and file downloading can be a HUGE win for us, and helps us muscle our content into a place that will be king for a long time to come: the living room. What I want to know is, of all the vimeos and blips and viddler dabbles youtubes itunes revvers seesmics etc etc etc of the world whose going to land in the living room first, on the devices that need no explanation whatsoever? This is gonna be big. ;) ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just saw this chart - makes me think the path to the TV will not be through the Apple TV, but rather through the Wii (or PS3 or XBox360): http://www.vgchartz.com Has anyone experimented with online video on the Nintendo Wii? Looks like i will have a Wii in a few days. :) Building a Wii interface for Mefeedia may be a pet project over the holidays. Anyone else have one and watch online video? Regards, -Frank http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover the Video Web
RE: [videoblogging] Re: Forget Apple TV - What about the Nintendo Wii ??
Biggest problem with Wii is minimal storage, whereas 360 and PS3 have drives. I've been working on various content delivery to the devices (Xbox is exception- no browser), and I've loved downloading media The Xbox 360 has no browser, but you can stream to it via Windows Media Connect if you have either WMP11 or Zune software installed. So if you can get your video on someone's computer, getting to their television through the Xbox 360 is relatively easy: http://www.jakeludington.com/xbox/20060321_easy_divx_to_xbox_360_streaming.h tml IIRC, I think PS3 and XBox now support DiVX flavors. It's a step in a direction where many people aren't looking (don't rule out future of DS and the current support on the PSP). Xbox supported DivX through some convoluted steps up until Dec 4, 2007. Now it's easy. Maybe Apple can get into gaming? Heheh, yeah right. :) Maybe Apple can buy Nintendo and figure out how to get enough Wii consoles into the consumer pipeline. They do both make shiny white hardware. ;) Jake Ludington http://www.jakeludington.com
[videoblogging] Re: Forget Apple TV - What about the Nintendo Wii ??
Hey Frank, I've had a Wii for a while now and it's not the best platform for watching Internet mainly because I think that there is some memory limitation to it. If you try to watch a bunch of youtube videos in a row or a longer form video on Google Video it will crash after about 20 or 30 minutes. I'm not sure why this is, but I suspect it's a memory issue. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just saw this chart - makes me think the path to the TV will not be through the Apple TV, but rather through the Wii (or PS3 or XBox360): http://www.vgchartz.com Has anyone experimented with online video on the Nintendo Wii? Looks like i will have a Wii in a few days. :) Building a Wii interface for Mefeedia may be a pet project over the holidays. Anyone else have one and watch online video? Regards, -Frank http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover the Video Web
RE: [videoblogging] Re: Forget Apple TV - What about the Nintendo Wii ??
That would be the lack of storage problem Eric Rice referred to in a different post. The Wii has no place to buffer video files (other than the very limited storage). When you run out of space for buffering video it barfs. It's funny. I'm using http://www.qik.com http://www.qik.com/ now and it doesn't need ANY local storage. Just throws all the bits up to a server. Why couldn't that be used with the Wii? Robert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Forget Apple TV - What about the Nintendo Wii ??
Thats fine for creating video, but I the issue here is watching video, even streaming video needs to be cashed somewhere while it's being streamed from the Internet, it seems that thats the problem with the Wii. As near as I can tell there isn't any way to create and post video from the Wii. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Robert Scoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would be the lack of storage problem Eric Rice referred to in a different post. The Wii has no place to buffer video files (other than the very limited storage). When you run out of space for buffering video it barfs. It's funny. I'm using http://www.qik.com http://www.qik.com/ now and it doesn't need ANY local storage. Just throws all the bits up to a server. Why couldn't that be used with the Wii? Robert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Forget Apple TV - What about the Nintendo Wii ??
256 MB runs out quickly. Also, can't save the file then. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Robert Scoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would be the lack of storage problem Eric Rice referred to in a different post. The Wii has no place to buffer video files (other than the very limited storage). When you run out of space for buffering video it barfs. It's funny. I'm using http://www.qik.com http://www.qik.com/ now and it doesn't need ANY local storage. Just throws all the bits up to a server. Why couldn't that be used with the Wii? Robert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Forget Apple TV - What about the Nintendo Wii ??
I'll be testing Vimeo on these consoles, only since I don't personally want to move backwards in production quality. I'm on the TV, maybe on a home theater, I want HIGHER rez and prod quality, not less. That's my preference for the living room (and why I hate the Apple TV)... I want to make those HDMI cables SING, baby, SING. Qik's also not available to the world, it's marketed like 'hey phone people look!' and it's the same mono-sell that we're so plagued with, hehe. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jake Ludington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's funny. I'm using http://www.qik.com http://www.qik.com/ now and it doesn't need ANY local storage. Just throws all the bits up to a server. Why couldn't that be used with the Wii? Doesn't qik.com proxy from a video camera (cell phones being their primary camera)? The recipient still has to cache a file on the other side, I believe, which doesn't solve the Wii problem, which is a problem of needing somewhere to temporarily cache the video you are watching. Wii has no problem with short videos, but runs into trouble when it's attempting to download minute 8 and you're watching minute 4 and there's no more room. Jake Ludington http://www.jakeludington.com
[videoblogging] Re: Forget Apple TV - What about the Nintendo Wii ??
I was mostly worried about watching video and if this was an easy path to the TV. There are 17+ million Wii owners out there, which is way higher than Apple TV or even the iPhone. The other interesting factor is that the Wii is opening up a whole different demographic that is buying game consoles. It is cool to have a Wii at your 30-something cocktail parties... I did some research and found this: http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2007/04/13/wii-browser-out-but-why-flash-7-and-not-8-or-9 The only complaint I have is that Flash doesn't garbage collect correctly causing memory leaks, eventually resulting in a lockup of the entire system. It's more noticable on video streams. Now i am wishing Adobe would upgrade their Flash SDK for Opera browsers from v7 to v9. Maybe this problem will be fixed in newer versions. Still very optimistic and maybe Flash Lite can be used with Opera. I am determined to make this path to the TV as easy as possible. I've been dreaming of using Mefeedia.com as a Web-based TiVo for Web Video, combined with the Wii which has a built-in Opera browser and WiFi support. XBox and PS3 show some promise as well. Regards, -Frank http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover the Video Web --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be testing Vimeo on these consoles, only since I don't personally want to move backwards in production quality. I'm on the TV, maybe on a home theater, I want HIGHER rez and prod quality, not less. That's my preference for the living room (and why I hate the Apple TV)... I want to make those HDMI cables SING, baby, SING. Qik's also not available to the world, it's marketed like 'hey phone people look!' and it's the same mono-sell that we're so plagued with, hehe. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jake Ludington jake@ wrote: It's funny. I'm using http://www.qik.com http://www.qik.com/ now and it doesn't need ANY local storage. Just throws all the bits up to a server. Why couldn't that be used with the Wii? Doesn't qik.com proxy from a video camera (cell phones being their primary camera)? The recipient still has to cache a file on the other side, I believe, which doesn't solve the Wii problem, which is a problem of needing somewhere to temporarily cache the video you are watching. Wii has no problem with short videos, but runs into trouble when it's attempting to download minute 8 and you're watching minute 4 and there's no more room. Jake Ludington http://www.jakeludington.com
[videoblogging] Re: Forget Apple TV - What about the Nintendo Wii ??
I'd suspect gaming-related or nintendo-related content (video) is an easier sell to the console owners than run of the mill web video they can get on youtube anyway. I lose much sleep over this, heh. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was mostly worried about watching video and if this was an easy path to the TV. There are 17+ million Wii owners out there, which is way higher than Apple TV or even the iPhone. The other interesting factor is that the Wii is opening up a whole different demographic that is buying game consoles. It is cool to have a Wii at your 30-something cocktail parties... I did some research and found this: http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2007/04/13/wii-browser-out-but-why-flash-7-and-not-8-or-9 The only complaint I have is that Flash doesn't garbage collect correctly causing memory leaks, eventually resulting in a lockup of the entire system. It's more noticable on video streams. Now i am wishing Adobe would upgrade their Flash SDK for Opera browsers from v7 to v9. Maybe this problem will be fixed in newer versions. Still very optimistic and maybe Flash Lite can be used with Opera. I am determined to make this path to the TV as easy as possible. I've been dreaming of using Mefeedia.com as a Web-based TiVo for Web Video, combined with the Wii which has a built-in Opera browser and WiFi support. XBox and PS3 show some promise as well. Regards, -Frank http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover the Video Web --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Eric Rice eric@ wrote: I'll be testing Vimeo on these consoles, only since I don't personally want to move backwards in production quality. I'm on the TV, maybe on a home theater, I want HIGHER rez and prod quality, not less. That's my preference for the living room (and why I hate the Apple TV)... I want to make those HDMI cables SING, baby, SING. Qik's also not available to the world, it's marketed like 'hey phone people look!' and it's the same mono-sell that we're so plagued with, hehe. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jake Ludington jake@ wrote: It's funny. I'm using http://www.qik.com http://www.qik.com/ now and it doesn't need ANY local storage. Just throws all the bits up to a server. Why couldn't that be used with the Wii? Doesn't qik.com proxy from a video camera (cell phones being their primary camera)? The recipient still has to cache a file on the other side, I believe, which doesn't solve the Wii problem, which is a problem of needing somewhere to temporarily cache the video you are watching. Wii has no problem with short videos, but runs into trouble when it's attempting to download minute 8 and you're watching minute 4 and there's no more room. Jake Ludington http://www.jakeludington.com
[videoblogging] Re: Forget Apple TV - What about the Nintendo Wii ??
you can but mainly only Youtube right now, because the Wii is using Flash 7 I think?but I did find a way on Cnet to do something pretty neat with the Wii, a media stream device, download Orb and then use the Wii to watch videos or listen to music, I have yet to try it out but plan to soon, so I will let you know.. Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just saw this chart - makes me think the path to the TV will not be through the Apple TV, but rather through the Wii (or PS3 or XBox360): http://www.vgchartz.com Has anyone experimented with online video on the Nintendo Wii? Looks like i will have a Wii in a few days. :) Building a Wii interface for Mefeedia may be a pet project over the holidays. Anyone else have one and watch online video? Regards, -Frank http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover the Video Web
