Re: [videoblogging] Re: rel=payment or 'Donate Link and vlogging'
Thanks, David. :) Jan -- It isn't done alone. http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://blog.urbanartadventures.com - Original Message - From: David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 8:38 AM Subject: [videoblogging] Re: rel=payment or 'Donate Link and vlogging' Yeah those encrypted paypal buttons use a little mini form with 'hidden' fields. You probably wont be able to piece it together into one link because it would become an HTTP_GET instead of a HTTP_POST as the form expects (and I'm betting paypal checks for that). What I would do, if I were you, is create a small page on your site that thanks the viewer for clicking the pay-me button and has that button to paypal .. then use rel=payment to point to that new page. - Dave http://www.davidmeade.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question about this tag for you fine developers: my paypal button is encrypted and doesn't appear to have a URL in the traditional sense of the word. Could be that I'm just too exhausted to see it. Do I need to un-encrypt in order to use Paypal with rel=payment? See the bottom of the page at http://fauxpress.blogspot.com Thanks, Jan -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: rel=payment
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:07:06 -0700, Stephanie Bryant wrote Can a feed owner change how mefeedia displays the payment link? For instance, can we get it to say tip jar? Because I love that analogy (or the hat on the sidewalk one) and think it's the best way to present such a link to whatever viewers (people who can't turn off their computers?) I might have out there. Tech note: Peter, you can do this by using the title attribute from the link. It's something I wanted to put into the spec, but I haven't started to write that yet. - Andreas -- http://www.solitude.dk YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: rel=payment
Peter, Can a feed owner change how mefeedia displays the payment link? For instance, can we get it to say tip jar? Because I love that analogy (or the hat on the sidewalk one) and think it's the best way to present such a link to whatever viewers (people who can't turn off their computers?) I might have out there. Andreas: Tech note: Peter, you can do this by using the title attribute from the link. It's something I wanted to put into the spec, but I haven't started to write that yet. Stephanie, it's not live yet, but yes, what Andreas said. I will support that, so you can determine your own text :) Peter YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: rel=payment or 'Donate Link and vlogging'
Yeah those encrypted paypal buttons use a little mini form with 'hidden' fields. You probably wont be able to piece it together into one link because it would become an HTTP_GET instead of a HTTP_POST as the form expects (and I'm betting paypal checks for that). What I would do, if I were you, is create a small page on your site that thanks the viewer for clicking the pay-me button and has that button to paypal .. then use rel=payment to point to that new page. - Dave http://www.davidmeade.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question about this tag for you fine developers: my paypal button is encrypted and doesn't appear to have a URL in the traditional sense of the word. Could be that I'm just too exhausted to see it. Do I need to un-encrypt in order to use Paypal with rel=payment? See the bottom of the page at http://fauxpress.blogspot.com Thanks, Jan -- It isn't done alone. http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://blog.urbanartadventures.com - Original Message - From: Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] rel=payment or 'Donate Link and vlogging' A couple things about rel=payment The payment URL can be *anything*. It could link to a Cafe Press store, your paypal page, an HTML page with your address so people can mail you a check, a page that links to books or DVDs through an Amazon Affilliate program, a URL formatted with a GET query so you can track the click through and record which blog entries bring in the cash, a link to a page where you can donate to a particular cause, campaign, or charity. This is entirely up to the author. It is completely open and flexible. And its fucking simple. Also note that rel=payment does not entail any restrictions on access to content. You can't use rel=payment to force someone to pay you first before being able to download something. rel=payment is an after the fact payment -- it is an optional transaction between viewer and creator. Some people would be happy to pay for content they enjoy or wish to support. Why not make it possible for them to do so? I think this is a good step for videoblogs, podcasts, and blogs in general, and would pave the way for a much needed XML namespace extension for RSS. Plus, if users are already adding rel=payment it will be dirt simple for blog software developers to implement this XML namespace as a plugin once that spec is fleshed out and agreed upon by the community at large. Rock, Josh On 7/17/05, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just thinking about the rel=payment thing. I know some people are seeing this as a scary move toward sponsor inspired content, and I understand that. However I wanted to share with you another possible idea ... I think this rel=payment would give us a change to really work as a group toward a goal in a way we just can't now except in moral support. bI think this has some serious power however to help us as vloggers start to do things we always talk about ... changing things!/b It would be great for a series of videos meant to accomplish something. Not all of your vids would have to have the same payment page - some could be callouts for your viewers to donate to some cause. For example suppose all the vloggers had a 'cause week' where we picked a cause, had a donation page agreed to, and for a week (or month or whatever) made relavent vlogs with rel=payment for the cause. That's pretty freakin' cool. It also gives us a means to sort of ... campaign. If you are a politcal advicate talking about your canidate of choice your rel=payment for that video could be to his campaign fund for example. This really would give us the ability to leverage our numbers in a very real way toward actual real world solutions (which almost always require funds :-P ) Normally, my audience is likely to be my 2 brothers, a few buddies from Purdue, and a coworker or two ... and none of them are gonna pay me anything :-P ... but I still think this is a really cool idea and I'll use it not only for it's fresh new-gizmo smell but also gladly as a group effort draw my (and others) viewers into action. - Dave http://www.davidmeade.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: rel=payment or 'Donate Link and vlogging'
DropCash provides a nice easy way to do this. The problem with PayPal is that it is not easy to direct-link to. DropCash makes this easy by providing a permalink for payment (my term). Note that this rel=payment thing doesn't only have to be one static location for payments to *you*. It could link to your Cafe Press store, a fundraising campaign (hit the bat! anyone?), and Amazon Affilliate link, literally anything. It is flexible. How you wish to use is up to you. -josh On 7/18/05, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's exactly how Josh Kinberg explained it me. -Verdi On Jul 18, 2005, at 7:38 AM, David Meade wrote: What I would do, if I were you, is create a small page on your site that thanks the viewer for clicking the pay-me button and has that button to paypal .. then use rel=payment to point to that new page. Yahoo! Groups Links YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: rel=payment or 'Donate Link and vlogging'
So here's why Mefeedia supports rel=payment now (since this morning ;). When an aggregator aggregates video, and when it displays then those videos to users, it is still taking the bandwidth from the author. That's the difference with text. We don't embed the entire 8M movie in the RSS feed. So I feel a video aggregator *should* do whatever they can to get the authors some $$. OK, apart from that, the donate link only shows up if you use the tag. You could easily only ask donations for movies you spend a lot of time on. Or you could ask for donations to go to a good cause you like. Or yo u don't have them. The point is, you, as the videoblogger, are in control. Aggregators just support this. We don't even want a cut (in contrast with the other payment schemes being developed by iTunes, ...). So it's all optional :) Anyways, to have a look, go to http://mefeedia.com/watch/index.php?id=2 (it'll ask you to log in if you're not already). That's Jay's feed, with his post about this. He added the code to his post (click on the first video). So you'll see this text: Like this movie? Support this videoblogger, with a link to Jay's support page. Is that gonna subvert the videobloggers? I don't know. It's hot cool though. Peter YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
