Re: [videoblogging] the continuing frustration

[Randolfe Wicker]

Maybe I misread something.  Didn't they say 
they only wanted general audience materials?
 
 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Steve 
  Garfield 
  To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:35 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [videoblogging] the 
  continuing frustration
  Randolfe,I just went to the YouTube website, to see where 
  you formed this impression, and did not see anything about their owning of 
  content.Can you provide a link to a URL that explains their policy on 
  uploaded videos?Thank you,--SteveOn Nov 22, 2005, at 11:48 
  AM, Randolfe Wicker wrote:
  Bev, I have the impression 
that YouTube "owns" your work once you post it there.--Steve-- Home 
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Re: [videoblogging] the continuing frustration

[BevSykes]

I didn't notice that particular statement in the 
FAQs and didn't see any place where it mentions that.  I did notice that 
they say no nudity and that it should be "appropriate for all audiences."  
My stuff isn't on a par with yours.  It's not nearly as professional and 
pretty appropriate for all audiences, so I guess those two issues don't bother 
me as much.  The one thing that DOES bother me is the amount of copyrighted 
material that is posted to YouTube, direct from TV or other material that you 
know is not the work of the poster.  However, they may be cracking down on 
that a bit now since it seems to be less than it was.
 
I still much prefer Blip, but for those who are 
unable to see the stuff I post to Blip, YouTube is a nice compromise, for me 
anyway.  It seems to be getting better in the last month.
-- BevBlog:  http://funnytheblog.blogspot.com/Journal:  
http://funnytheworld.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Randolfe 
  Wicker 
  To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:48 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [videoblogging] the 
  continuing frustration
  
  Bev, I have the impression that YouTube "owns" 
  your work once you post it there.  Have you examined the details there 
  carefully?
   
  I remember doing so weeks ago and that really 
  turned me off.  They also sounded "censorious" insofar as they didn't 
  want anything that wasn't "family friendly" or something like 
  that.
   
   
  Randolfe (Randy) Wicker
   
  Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality 
  InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280
   
   
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
BevSykes 
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:20 
PM
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] the 
continuing frustration

What a nice message.  Thanks, Jay!  
I've about decided to keep on doing what I'm doing--processing in wmv, 
converting to 3ivx to post to Blip and also post to YouTube which will 
convert to flash for me and link it to my flog.  Cumbersome, at best, 
but at least it covers as many of the bases as I am able to 
cover.
 
Thanks so much.
-- BevBlog:  http://funnytheblog.blogspot.com/Journal:  
http://funnytheworld.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jay 
  dedman 
  To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
  
      Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 3:47 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [videoblogging] the 
  continuing frustration
  > I really rarely read this group any more because 
  (a) you are all so far> above my head now that I can't keep up, and 
  (b) I suspect I"ve become a> thorn in many sides since I now rarely 
  receive any response at all.i always have little tech 
  questions.soemtimes I post on the group...but oftne i email 
  peopledirectly...becasue i uslaly need more help than one email.i 
  think youve made friends with people on this groupyou can always 
  email me directly if you have a tech 
  questions.jay.dedmanATgmail.comwe all started confused with this 
  stuff.friends of mine will tell you that im still pretty ignorant 
  now.> But my big frustration is in trying to find a 
  format.  Any format.  I> started posting in .wmv but 
  people couldn't see that and I was told that> QuickTime was the way 
  to go, so I started posting in QuickTime.  Then I was> told 
  that QuickTime couldn't be loaded onto the new iPods and I should 
  use> 3ivx, which I did.  Now some people complaint that they 
  can't see those.  I> post to both Blip and YouTube.  You 
  Tube uses flash.  Some can see it, some> can't.  Nerissa 
  helped me with creating imbedded players on my site, which> some 
  complain can't be seen.  Then Robert very kindly took a video for 
  me> and converted it into two flash formats, one of which I can't 
  see.  I've> upgraded my windows media viewer.  I've 
  upgraded my flash format and though> I have no problem viewing the 
  videos most of you guys post, my own videos> can be seen by some, 
  not by all.see, youre already ahead of the curve.i was at a 
  devloper's confernce last month.there were reps from Yahoo, reuters, 
  etc...and everyone was frustratedwith video formats.NO ONE 
  KNOWS.there is no format that works everywhere.the commercial 
  world is going all Flash.but its not remixable..andvery often 
  difficult to aggregate.I have never seen flash done well.usually 
  its some commercial player that streams flash and has adsbefore and 
  after the video.> For the average, run of the mill, senior 
  citizen who just wants to watc

Re: [videoblogging] the continuing frustration

[Steve Garfield]

Randolfe,
I just went to the YouTube website, to see where you formed this impression, and did not see anything about their owning of content.

Can you provide a link to a URL that explains their policy on uploaded videos?
Thank you,
--Steve


On Nov 22, 2005, at 11:48 AM, Randolfe Wicker wrote:

Bev, I have the impression that YouTube "owns" your work once you post it there.

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Re: [videoblogging] the continuing frustration

[Randolfe Wicker]

Bev, I have the impression that YouTube "owns" your 
work once you post it there.  Have you examined the details there 
carefully?
 
I remember doing so weeks ago and that really 
turned me off.  They also sounded "censorious" insofar as they didn't want 
anything that wasn't "family friendly" or something like that.
 
 
Randolfe (Randy) Wicker
 
Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality 
InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  BevSykes 
  To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:20 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [videoblogging] the 
  continuing frustration
  
  What a nice message.  Thanks, Jay!  
  I've about decided to keep on doing what I'm doing--processing in wmv, 
  converting to 3ivx to post to Blip and also post to YouTube which will convert 
  to flash for me and link it to my flog.  Cumbersome, at best, but at 
  least it covers as many of the bases as I am able to cover.
   
  Thanks so much.
  -- BevBlog:  http://funnytheblog.blogspot.com/Journal:  
  http://funnytheworld.com
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Jay 
dedman 
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 3:47 
PM
    Subject: Re: [videoblogging] the 
continuing frustration
> I really rarely read this group any more because (a) 
you are all so far> above my head now that I can't keep up, and (b) I 
suspect I"ve become a> thorn in many sides since I now rarely receive 
any response at all.i always have little tech 
questions.soemtimes I post on the group...but oftne i email 
peopledirectly...becasue i uslaly need more help than one email.i 
think youve made friends with people on this groupyou can always 
email me directly if you have a tech 
questions.jay.dedmanATgmail.comwe all started confused with this 
stuff.friends of mine will tell you that im still pretty ignorant 
now.> But my big frustration is in trying to find a format.  
Any format.  I> started posting in .wmv but people couldn't see 
that and I was told that> QuickTime was the way to go, so I started 
posting in QuickTime.  Then I was> told that QuickTime couldn't 
be loaded onto the new iPods and I should use> 3ivx, which I 
did.  Now some people complaint that they can't see those.  
I> post to both Blip and YouTube.  You Tube uses flash.  
Some can see it, some> can't.  Nerissa helped me with creating 
imbedded players on my site, which> some complain can't be 
seen.  Then Robert very kindly took a video for me> and 
converted it into two flash formats, one of which I can't see.  
I've> upgraded my windows media viewer.  I've upgraded my flash 
format and though> I have no problem viewing the videos most of you 
guys post, my own videos> can be seen by some, not by 
all.see, youre already ahead of the curve.i was at a devloper's 
confernce last month.there were reps from Yahoo, reuters, etc...and 
everyone was frustratedwith video formats.NO ONE KNOWS.there is 
no format that works everywhere.the commercial world is going all 
Flash.but its not remixable..andvery often difficult to 
aggregate.I have never seen flash done well.usually its some 
commercial player that streams flash and has adsbefore and after the 
video.> For the average, run of the mill, senior citizen who just 
wants to watch a> video and not get into video blogging, etcwhat 
is the best way to go?  I> belong to Senior Net and people are 
enthusiastic about seeing my videos, but> cannot see either 3ivx or 
YouTube's flash.  My boss wants me to put a video> on his web 
page, which I did in several formats, none of which he is able to> 
access from his computer.if someone has a problem watching your 
video on their machine...itsnot YOUR fault.very oftnen its a person 
who doesnt know how to install the most basicsoftware for viewing 
video.Quicktime and WMV.we're also all the unfortunate victims of a 
war between MS and Apple.they dont want to play nice with each 
other.my suggestion is just make video thats easiest for you.if 
you have a Windows machinemake WMV.if you have an apple, use 
QT.i have a Mac computer but can watch both formats easily.if 
your viewer has problems watching your videossend them a link to the 
correct player.> I have studied all of Josh's excellent training 
videos and tried everything> and nothing works consistently.> 
I am so confused and so frustrated.  It's not like I'm posting 
anything> terribly creative or important or anything else.  And 
my god have 

Re: [videoblogging] the continuing frustration

[Joan Khoo]

I never noticed that. hmm...

On 11/22/05, BevSykes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:









and link it to my flog.  

 
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and link it to my flog.  

 
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Re: [videoblogging] the continuing frustration

[BevSykes]

What a nice message.  Thanks, Jay!  I've 
about decided to keep on doing what I'm doing--processing in wmv, converting to 
3ivx to post to Blip and also post to YouTube which will convert to flash for me 
and link it to my flog.  Cumbersome, at best, but at least it covers as 
many of the bases as I am able to cover.
 
Thanks so much.
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http://funnytheworld.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jay 
  dedman 
  To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 3:47 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [videoblogging] the 
  continuing frustration
  > I really rarely read this group any more because (a) 
  you are all so far> above my head now that I can't keep up, and (b) I 
  suspect I"ve become a> thorn in many sides since I now rarely receive 
  any response at all.i always have little tech questions.soemtimes 
  I post on the group...but oftne i email peopledirectly...becasue i uslaly 
  need more help than one email.i think youve made friends with people on 
  this groupyou can always email me directly if you have a tech 
  questions.jay.dedmanATgmail.comwe all started confused with this 
  stuff.friends of mine will tell you that im still pretty ignorant 
  now.> But my big frustration is in trying to find a format.  
  Any format.  I> started posting in .wmv but people couldn't see 
  that and I was told that> QuickTime was the way to go, so I started 
  posting in QuickTime.  Then I was> told that QuickTime couldn't be 
  loaded onto the new iPods and I should use> 3ivx, which I did.  
  Now some people complaint that they can't see those.  I> post to 
  both Blip and YouTube.  You Tube uses flash.  Some can see it, 
  some> can't.  Nerissa helped me with creating imbedded players on 
  my site, which> some complain can't be seen.  Then Robert very 
  kindly took a video for me> and converted it into two flash formats, 
  one of which I can't see.  I've> upgraded my windows media 
  viewer.  I've upgraded my flash format and though> I have no 
  problem viewing the videos most of you guys post, my own videos> can be 
  seen by some, not by all.see, youre already ahead of the curve.i 
  was at a devloper's confernce last month.there were reps from Yahoo, 
  reuters, etc...and everyone was frustratedwith video formats.NO ONE 
  KNOWS.there is no format that works everywhere.the commercial world is 
  going all Flash.but its not remixable..andvery often difficult to 
  aggregate.I have never seen flash done well.usually its some 
  commercial player that streams flash and has adsbefore and after the 
  video.> For the average, run of the mill, senior citizen who just 
  wants to watch a> video and not get into video blogging, etcwhat is 
  the best way to go?  I> belong to Senior Net and people are 
  enthusiastic about seeing my videos, but> cannot see either 3ivx or 
  YouTube's flash.  My boss wants me to put a video> on his web 
  page, which I did in several formats, none of which he is able to> 
  access from his computer.if someone has a problem watching your video 
  on their machine...itsnot YOUR fault.very oftnen its a person who 
  doesnt know how to install the most basicsoftware for viewing 
  video.Quicktime and WMV.we're also all the unfortunate victims of a 
  war between MS and Apple.they dont want to play nice with each 
  other.my suggestion is just make video thats easiest for you.if 
  you have a Windows machinemake WMV.if you have an apple, use QT.i 
  have a Mac computer but can watch both formats easily.if your viewer 
  has problems watching your videossend them a link to the correct 
  player.> I have studied all of Josh's excellent training videos and 
  tried everything> and nothing works consistently.> I am so 
  confused and so frustrated.  It's not like I'm posting anything> 
  terribly creative or important or anything else.  And my god have I 
  learned> a lot in the past six months, but at every turn I come up 
  against another> brick wall when someone says "I tried, but I can't 
  view your videos."i can watch your videosyou must realize that 
  youre ahead of most of your friends now.its time for you to teach 
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Re: [videoblogging] the continuing frustration

[Jay dedman]

> I really rarely read this group any more because (a) you are all so far
> above my head now that I can't keep up, and (b) I suspect I"ve become a
> thorn in many sides since I now rarely receive any response at all.

i always have little tech questions.
soemtimes I post on the group...but oftne i email people
directly...becasue i uslaly need more help than one email.
i think youve made friends with people on this group
you can always email me directly if you have a tech questions.
jay.dedmanATgmail.com
we all started confused with this stuff.
friends of mine will tell you that im still pretty ignorant now.

> But my big frustration is in trying to find a format.  Any format.  I
> started posting in .wmv but people couldn't see that and I was told that
> QuickTime was the way to go, so I started posting in QuickTime.  Then I was
> told that QuickTime couldn't be loaded onto the new iPods and I should use
> 3ivx, which I did.  Now some people complaint that they can't see those.  I
> post to both Blip and YouTube.  You Tube uses flash.  Some can see it, some
> can't.  Nerissa helped me with creating imbedded players on my site, which
> some complain can't be seen.  Then Robert very kindly took a video for me
> and converted it into two flash formats, one of which I can't see.  I've
> upgraded my windows media viewer.  I've upgraded my flash format and though
> I have no problem viewing the videos most of you guys post, my own videos
> can be seen by some, not by all.

see, youre already ahead of the curve.
i was at a devloper's confernce last month.
there were reps from Yahoo, reuters, etc...and everyone was frustrated
with video formats.
NO ONE KNOWS.
there is no format that works everywhere.
the commercial world is going all Flash.but its not remixable..and
very often difficult to aggregate.
I have never seen flash done well.
usually its some commercial player that streams flash and has ads
before and after the video.

> For the average, run of the mill, senior citizen who just wants to watch a
> video and not get into video blogging, etcwhat is the best way to go?  I
> belong to Senior Net and people are enthusiastic about seeing my videos, but
> cannot see either 3ivx or YouTube's flash.  My boss wants me to put a video
> on his web page, which I did in several formats, none of which he is able to
> access from his computer.

if someone has a problem watching your video on their machine...its
not YOUR fault.
very oftnen its a person who doesnt know how to install the most basic
software for viewing video.
Quicktime and WMV.
we're also all the unfortunate victims of a war between MS and Apple.
they dont want to play nice with each other.

my suggestion is just make video thats easiest for you.
if you have a Windows machinemake WMV.
if you have an apple, use QT.
i have a Mac computer but can watch both formats easily.

if your viewer has problems watching your videos
send them a link to the correct player.

> I have studied all of Josh's excellent training videos and tried everything
> and nothing works consistently.
> I am so confused and so frustrated.  It's not like I'm posting anything
> terribly creative or important or anything else.  And my god have I learned
> a lot in the past six months, but at every turn I come up against another
> brick wall when someone says "I tried, but I can't view your videos."

i can watch your videos
you must realize that youre ahead of most of your friends now.
its time for you to teach them.

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Re: [videoblogging] the continuing frustration

[BevSykes]

>>at this time, the best way i know to 
make sure people see videos is to teach them to vlog and use tools like 
fireant<<
 
Has anybody tried the google reader?  I'm 
finding it much easier to use than FireAnt, though it is much less versatile, I 
realize, but it seems to be the nice plain-vanilla tool that works for 
me.>>i realize that learning to vlog and rss can be a huge 
hurdle for some, but look at the benefits the more you vlog, the better you 
view? <<
 
Six months ago, I didn't have a clue about most of 
this stuff, and I am so grateful to everyone for all that I've 
learned!
 
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Re: [videoblogging] the continuing frustration

[Markus Sandy]

not a thorn here bev

i still firmly believe that *most* people  have trouble seeing videos.

i have no evidence, but i think the odds of internet users being able
to view one of video is less than 1 in 6.  that is, it's half a crap
shot

at this time, the best way i know to make sure people see videos is to
teach them to vlog and use tools like fireant

i realize that learning to vlog and rss can be a huge hurdle for some,
but look at the benefits

the more you vlog, the better you view?  

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BevSykes wrote:

  
  
  
  I really rarely read this group any
more because (a) you are all so far above my head now that I can't keep
up, and (b) I suspect I"ve become a thorn in many sides since I now
rarely receive any response at all.
   
  But my big frustration is in trying
to find a format.  Any format.  I started posting in .wmv but people
couldn't see that and I was told that QuickTime was the way to go, so I
started posting in QuickTime.  Then I was told that QuickTime couldn't
be loaded onto the new iPods and I should use 3ivx, which I did.  Now
some people complaint that they can't see those.  I post to both Blip
and YouTube.  You Tube uses flash.  Some can see it, some can't. 
Nerissa helped me with creating imbedded players on my site, which some
complain can't be seen.  Then Robert very kindly took a video for me
and converted it into two flash formats, one of which I can't see. 
I've upgraded my windows media viewer.  I've upgraded my flash format
and though I have no problem viewing the videos most of you guys post,
my own videos can be seen by some, not by all.
   
  For the average, run of the mill,
senior citizen who just wants to watch a video and not get into video
blogging, etcwhat is the best way to go?  I belong to Senior Net
and people are enthusiastic about seeing my videos, but cannot see
either 3ivx or YouTube's flash.  My boss wants me to put a video on his
web page, which I did in several formats, none of which he is able to
access from his computer.
   
  I have studied all of Josh's
excellent training videos and tried everything and nothing works consistently.
   
  I am so confused and so frustrated. 
It's not like I'm posting anything terribly creative or important or
anything else.  And my god have I learned a lot in the past six months,
but at every turn I come up against another brick wall when someone
says "I tried, but I can't view your videos."
   
  -- 
Bev
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Journal:  http://funnytheworld.com
  
   
   




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[videoblogging] the continuing frustration

[BevSykes]

I really rarely read this group any more because 
(a) you are all so far above my head now that I can't keep up, and (b) I 
suspect I"ve become a thorn in many sides since I now rarely receive any 
response at all.
 
But my big frustration is in trying to find a 
format.  Any format.  I started posting in .wmv but people couldn't 
see that and I was told that QuickTime was the way to go, so I started posting 
in QuickTime.  Then I was told that QuickTime couldn't be loaded onto the 
new iPods and I should use 3ivx, which I did.  Now some people complaint 
that they can't see those.  I post to both Blip and YouTube.  You 
Tube uses flash.  Some can see it, some can't.  Nerissa helped me with 
creating imbedded players on my site, which some complain can't be seen.  
Then Robert very kindly took a video for me and converted it into two flash 
formats, one of which I can't see.  I've upgraded my windows media 
viewer.  I've upgraded my flash format and though I have no problem viewing 
the videos most of you guys post, my own videos can be seen by some, not by 
all.
 
For the average, run of the mill, senior citizen 
who just wants to watch a video and not get into video blogging, etcwhat is 
the best way to go?  I belong to Senior Net and people are enthusiastic 
about seeing my videos, but cannot see either 3ivx or YouTube's flash.  My 
boss wants me to put a video on his web page, which I did in several formats, 
none of which he is able to access from his computer.
 
I have studied all of Josh's excellent training 
videos and tried everything and nothing works 
consistently.
 
I am so confused and so frustrated.  It's not 
like I'm posting anything terribly creative or important or anything else.  
And my god have I learned a lot in the past six months, but at every turn I come 
up against another brick wall when someone says "I tried, but I can't view your 
videos."
 
-- BevBlog:  http://funnytheblog.blogspot.com/Journal:  
http://funnytheworld.com
 
 

  




  
  
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