Re: [videoblogging] Re: Offensive Police Video

2005-12-12 Thread teaspace
I was of course just re-iterating a point from the wonderful nyc.node101 anthology on blip.tv, because it was relevant to the discussion. Who is the blue-haired English fellow who said it, by the way? Regurgitation is something I haven't practiced since my exam-writing days, although I hear it

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Offensive Police Video

2005-12-11 Thread Markus Sandy
not so, many people sign those rights away when entering into employment for example, even if you have to buy your own uniform, there are often rules as to how you can appear in it (e.g., no endorsements) many employers (e.g., University of California) *require* the signing of a "loyalty oath"

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Offensive Police Video

2005-12-11 Thread Joan Khoo
The scary thing is that a person can be intelligent, but people are stupid. Ask anyone working in customer service. As much as I wished  people don't get worked up about parodies, someone inevitably will step on toes. I think the world would be a lot nicer if more people take less offence. I'm j

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Offensive Police Video

2005-12-11 Thread Joan Khoo
Yes a person has a right to express his views. However a person needs to respect the stance of his employers. E.g. A hospital takes an anti-abortion stance while some of its employees are pro-choice. It's employees are free to express their opinions as individuals. Its not a problem until they s

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Offensive Police Video

2005-12-11 Thread Jeffrey
Except that the Creator/Producer Uploaded them to the Net - and next they you know someone found them; also the vids were shared - so there is no right to privacy. Jeffrey > > > > > The police videos were never intended to be public. They were > created for > > a closed party. Very different s

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Offensive Police Video

2005-12-11 Thread Josh Wolf
Actually no... the videos were created for the Christmas party, but were part of something that the producing officer had created at the website http://www.insidethesfpd.com -- I don't know yet whether or not he had an RSS feed or not -- the media content was taken down before more than a c

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Offensive Police Video

2005-12-11 Thread Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:21:04 +0100, teaspace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Privacy is dead." Regurgitated one-liners are useless. -- http://www.solitude.dk/> Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fa

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Offensive Police Video

2005-12-11 Thread teaspace
"Privacy is dead." Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote: > On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:53:59 +0100, teaspace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>If any vlogger or budding amateur filmmaker produces and posts on their >>website humourous/offensive/questionable videos of their workplace and >>colleagues, in

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Offensive Police Video

2005-12-11 Thread Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:53:59 +0100, teaspace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If any vlogger or budding amateur filmmaker produces and posts on their > website humourous/offensive/questionable videos of their workplace and > colleagues, in uniform and featuring prominently the corporate logo or > publ

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Offensive Police Video

2005-12-11 Thread Michael Meiser
OK. Fist off... They get all uptight about this home movie and yet Cops is just fine? That's B.S. i think cops has done far worse for the image of police than anything... that and showing up in cars only when there is trouble... It's only years of getting back out there on foot and reco

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Offensive Police Video

2005-12-11 Thread teaspace
If any vlogger or budding amateur filmmaker produces and posts on their website humourous/offensive/questionable videos of their workplace and colleagues, in uniform and featuring prominently the corporate logo or public brand, isn't it obviously a recipe for trouble? Try it at your day job an

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Offensive Police Video

2005-12-11 Thread Randolfe Wicker
I really had trouble deciding how to vote on the police video.  I would have probably voted "amusing" or "harmless" or even "mildly offensive" except I was really troubled by the piece where the cop talked about being born mean.   I actually voted "shocking" (a minority) for that reason. 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Offensive Police Video

2005-12-10 Thread Markus Sandy
i seem to recall that certain people were expected to be held to a higher standard oh yeah, public servants! oh wait. I think Justice Sirrica recently said that was no longer necessary so the new standard is the "vlogger" i like that Enric Enric wrote: >OK, here's how I see this. > >Vid

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Offensive Police Video

2005-12-10 Thread Markus Sandy
baloney! first, i suspect many police would say they love their job (shitty or not) also, the pay may be better than you might think SFPD salaries appear to be in the $45K-$110K range and with better benefits than many other jobs there are much, much worse paying jobs here in occupied Mexico (m

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Offensive Police Video

2005-12-10 Thread Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:26:45 +0100, Deirdre Straughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/10/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I grew up on jokes of the "a Dane, a Norwegian and a Swede sits on a >> mountain top..." variety. > > They don't go into a bar...?!? It was i

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Offensive Police Video

2005-12-10 Thread Deirdre Straughan
On 12/10/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I grew up on jokes of the "a Dane, a Norwegian and a Swede sits on amountain top..." variety. They don't go into a bar...?!?-- best regards, Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work)

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Offensive Police Video

2005-12-10 Thread Markus Sandy
ah, perhaps they used their own 'personal' squad cars Enric wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: that survey seems a bit lopsided to me i wonder how the results would have changed if there a few more reasonable choices like "a w

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Offensive Police Video

2005-12-10 Thread Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 05:51:02 +0100, teaspace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know what SNL has to do with this, but my point is that police > expect to be taken seriously when they deal with you. They also happen > to wield a lot more power than regular folks and should probably govern > the

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Offensive Police Video

2005-12-10 Thread Markus Sandy
that survey seems a bit lopsided to me i wonder how the results would have changed if there a few more reasonable choices like "a waste of people's money"? Enric wrote: >The poll shows most people consider them humorous (47% when I voted). > I voted them harmless. Considering that people have

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Offensive Police Video

2005-12-10 Thread Markus Sandy
the last time i checked, 47% was not quite "most" except possibly in Florida =) perhaps you meant "the largest group" Enric wrote: >The poll shows most people consider them humorous (47% when I voted). > > -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http:/

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Offensive Police Video

2005-12-09 Thread teaspace
I don't know what SNL has to do with this, but my point is that police expect to be taken seriously when they deal with you. They also happen to wield a lot more power than regular folks and should probably govern themselves accordingly. Having said that, I did find the police chief's 'over're

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Offensive Police Video

2005-12-09 Thread teaspace
According to the last segment, only a few of the videos produced and for which they are in trouble for, are shown there. While the clips shown are pretty tame and possibly harmless, I would say they are inappropriate if one is expected to take cops seriously. Do you laugh when they draw their