Re: [videoblogging] Re: Proposal/VloggerCon Midwest
The interview is now up: http://insanefilms.com/?p=280 - that was fun! (though I was too tired to ham it up as much as being in front of Madge deserved) On 11/24/06, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and a personal interview by the one and only Madge. -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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doesnt roe own vlogunivers? what ever happend to roe??? On 11/25/06, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess it just depends sometimesafter getting over the really bad day(s) I was having and starting thinking about all this with a clearer head I came to the conclusion thatit just depends sometimes. Carl wanted to have vloggercon in Ohio, that probably will not work, but it does not mean that there can NOT be an event in Ohio, hopefully it will happen and maybe we can call it VloggerUniverse - Attack of the Midwest universe geeks who live in the MidWest and dream of conquering the Universe and this is our first con Or maybe notit's just a thought Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jan / The Faux Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, Robert, that is s walled garden of you. Tut-tut. I don't get the idea that the vlogosphere generally operates under walled garden mode. Take Node 101, for example. If you've got the passion to make a Vloggercon or Node 101 anywhere in the world, I venture to say no one will stop you. That said, you'd best be prepared for a great lot of hard work and to follow through. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. Best, Jan On 11/20/06, Robert Scoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As someone who used to develop conferences professionally, I really HATED it when people tried to steal my work and my brand name. I wasn't involved in this group back in the Vloggercon days, so I don't know how that was organized. Just saying that the impulse to protect a brand name designed by someone else is a good one. Vloggercon was a great event - I sensed it was done by a handful of people. It didn't seem to be a total unconference like, say, BARcamp which is more of a community-planned event and wasn't owned (or planned by) any small group of people. Some conferences, in fact, will sue you if you try to use their names (witness O'Reilly and the Web 2.0 Conference). Robert _ -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Well I sort of agree with you Robert. If a company has started a conference and branded it with a name that is specific to what they are doing (Microsoft's Dive Deeper events for example) then I agree 100% with what you are saying. However, if someone takes a generic name like vloggercon, which is such an obvious contraction of Vlogger and conference, and tries to own it then I'm not so sure. That sort of thing smacks of trying to patent the right click. If you want a brand you can protect, then go for something specific and I'll support you all the way. J Cheers, Gary http://www.garyshort.org/ http://www.carnoustiegolflinks.co.uk/vlog/ From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Scoble Sent: 21 November 2006 04:16 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [videoblogging] Re: Proposal As someone who used to develop conferences professionally, I really HATED it when people tried to steal my work and my brand name. I wasn't involved in this group back in the Vloggercon days, so I don't know how that was organized. Just saying that the impulse to protect a brand name designed by someone else is a good one. Vloggercon was a great event - I sensed it was done by a handful of people. It didn't seem to be a total unconference like, say, BARcamp which is more of a community-planned event and wasn't owned (or planned by) any small group of people. Some conferences, in fact, will sue you if you try to use their names (witness O'Reilly and the Web 2.0 Conference). Robert _ From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Heath Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 6:54 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Proposal you know, Andreas I think that is a pretty elitist thing to say, that there can be only one vloggercon or that Ohio is a shit place to gomaybe it would be a bit harder to get to and maybe you could not go, I maean I couldn't go to the last 2 events in SF because well, it was a bit inconvient for me, but I didn't blast it. Which to be honest is what I feel like you are doing. Personly I would love for there to be many vloggercons, vloggercon West, East MidWest, Europe, etc, I don't think having more than one disminishes the event, just makes it stronger. And you never know, maybe it could bring more people to vlogging be making the events accessible to as many people as you canjust a thought.. Heath http://batmangeek7. http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ohio is easy to say, but a shit place to go to for those of us from outside the US. Anything that requires a domestic flight is not a good choice if you want an international audience. New York, San Francisco are much easier to get to - not to mention much much cheaper!!! Secondly, why use the vloggercon name? It seems a bit silly to me. Just do your own thing and give it your own name. - Andreas --- In videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight paul.knight7@ wrote: Vloggercon 07 in Ohio, woot!! lets do it!!! it's only 11 hours in the air for me. Maybe this time I get to see some real Americans, lol. Mind you wait until June/Julyish then I will have enough money to do it! Paul Knight On 18 Nov 2006, at 19:30, Mike Moon wrote: Hey, I just took a look. Columbus would be about an 8 hour drive for me from Ontario, Canada... very feasible. Drive there, pitch a tent... Yup, works for me. I'd like to also support the a Ohio location for vloggercon07. Mike http://vlog. http://vlog.mikemoon.net mikemoon.net --- In videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Erin Nealey schmee@ wrote: There are some folks in the Carolinas (though not a lot) but I know for me, the possibility of going to Ohio for Vloggercon '07 is much more likely than the west coast! I like the idea too :) Erin Nealey Mom's Brag Vlog nealey.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: I think you're better off keeping the conversation here and just titling your posts vloggercon midwest. I would absolutely love to attend if it's in Columbus. I know Columbus well. The problem is there's not enough of a critical mass in any one city in the midwest. Well... maybe Chicago. We've got a bunch of vloggers in IOWA, Minnesotta, St. Louis, a few in Michigan, One in Toledo Ohio. I've been slowly trying to put together comprehensive lists
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Proposal
Oh, Robert, that is s walled garden of you. Tut-tut. I don't get the idea that the vlogosphere generally operates under walled garden mode. Take Node 101, for example. If you've got the passion to make a Vloggercon or Node 101 anywhere in the world, I venture to say no one will stop you. That said, you'd best be prepared for a great lot of hard work and to follow through. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. Best, Jan On 11/20/06, Robert Scoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As someone who used to develop conferences professionally, I really HATED it when people tried to steal my work and my brand name. I wasn't involved in this group back in the Vloggercon days, so I don't know how that was organized. Just saying that the impulse to protect a brand name designed by someone else is a good one. Vloggercon was a great event - I sensed it was done by a handful of people. It didn't seem to be a total unconference like, say, BARcamp which is more of a community-planned event and wasn't owned (or planned by) any small group of people. Some conferences, in fact, will sue you if you try to use their names (witness O'Reilly and the Web 2.0 Conference). Robert _ -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com
RE: [videoblogging] Re: Proposal
As someone who used to develop conferences professionally, I really HATED it when people tried to steal my work and my brand name. I wasn't involved in this group back in the Vloggercon days, so I don't know how that was organized. Just saying that the impulse to protect a brand name designed by someone else is a good one. Vloggercon was a great event - I sensed it was done by a handful of people. It didn't seem to be a total unconference like, say, BARcamp which is more of a community-planned event and wasn't owned (or planned by) any small group of people. Some conferences, in fact, will sue you if you try to use their names (witness O'Reilly and the Web 2.0 Conference). Robert _ From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heath Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 6:54 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Proposal you know, Andreas I think that is a pretty elitist thing to say, that there can be only one vloggercon or that Ohio is a shit place to gomaybe it would be a bit harder to get to and maybe you could not go, I maean I couldn't go to the last 2 events in SF because well, it was a bit inconvient for me, but I didn't blast it. Which to be honest is what I feel like you are doing. Personly I would love for there to be many vloggercons, vloggercon West, East MidWest, Europe, etc, I don't think having more than one disminishes the event, just makes it stronger. And you never know, maybe it could bring more people to vlogging be making the events accessible to as many people as you canjust a thought.. Heath http://batmangeek7. http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ohio is easy to say, but a shit place to go to for those of us from outside the US. Anything that requires a domestic flight is not a good choice if you want an international audience. New York, San Francisco are much easier to get to - not to mention much much cheaper!!! Secondly, why use the vloggercon name? It seems a bit silly to me. Just do your own thing and give it your own name. - Andreas --- In videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight paul.knight7@ wrote: Vloggercon 07 in Ohio, woot!! lets do it!!! it's only 11 hours in the air for me. Maybe this time I get to see some real Americans, lol. Mind you wait until June/Julyish then I will have enough money to do it! Paul Knight On 18 Nov 2006, at 19:30, Mike Moon wrote: Hey, I just took a look. Columbus would be about an 8 hour drive for me from Ontario, Canada... very feasible. Drive there, pitch a tent... Yup, works for me. I'd like to also support the a Ohio location for vloggercon07. Mike http://vlog. http://vlog.mikemoon.net mikemoon.net --- In videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Erin Nealey schmee@ wrote: There are some folks in the Carolinas (though not a lot) but I know for me, the possibility of going to Ohio for Vloggercon '07 is much more likely than the west coast! I like the idea too :) Erin Nealey Mom's Brag Vlog nealey.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: I think you're better off keeping the conversation here and just titling your posts vloggercon midwest. I would absolutely love to attend if it's in Columbus. I know Columbus well. The problem is there's not enough of a critical mass in any one city in the midwest. Well... maybe Chicago. We've got a bunch of vloggers in IOWA, Minnesotta, St. Louis, a few in Michigan, One in Toledo Ohio. I've been slowly trying to put together comprehensive lists of these geographic pockets on mefeedia. It's hard work, trying to track people down, but it's well worth it. Minnesotta -- http://mefeedia. http://mefeedia.com/lists/17/ com/lists/17/ Midwest general -- http://mefeedia. http://mefeedia.com/lists/25/ com/lists/25/ Chicago -- http://mefeedia. http://mefeedia.com/lists/56/ com/lists/56/ Iowa -- http://mefeedia. http://mefeedia.com/lists/30/ com/lists/30/ Please give me your feed urls, name and locations either here or leave a comment on mefeedia and I'll add it to one of the lists. It you know an area not covered with a bunch of active vloggers. Please signup and create your own list. Trying to make this a more collaborative process. I hope in the future these channels will be places where discussion on specific topics and interests just naturally collects. It's
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Proposal
You want to get the most people there? This event would be inclusive not exclusive. Call it the Midwest Media Summit. Make sure you have a folks from outside of this Yahoo group, and underscore that it is an unconference ala barcamp style. A few corporate sponsors that understand the dynamics of social media wouldn't hurt either. I would expect that you would see vloggers and 'tubers and podcasters and everyone else under the sun that is playing with media in the new distributed landscape. On 11/19/06, CarLBanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted it to be THE Vloggercon, but I'm getting some negative remarks from people about using the Vloggercon name. On 11/19/06, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] joshleo%40gmail.com wrote: why not use the vloggercon name if it is vloggercon it is vloggercon if it is a separate meetup then that is what it is... On 11/19/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED]solitude%40solitude.dk solitude%40solitude.dk wrote: Ohio is easy to say, but a shit place to go to for those of us from outside the US. Anything that requires a domestic flight is not a good choice if you want an international audience. New York, San Francisco are much easier to get to - not to mention much much cheaper!!! Secondly, why use the vloggercon name? It seems a bit silly to me. Just do your own thing and give it your own name. - Andreas --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vloggercon 07 in Ohio, woot!! lets do it!!! it's only 11 hours in the air for me. Maybe this time I get to see some real Americans, lol. Mind you wait until June/Julyish then I will have enough money to do it! Paul Knight On 18 Nov 2006, at 19:30, Mike Moon wrote: Hey, I just took a look. Columbus would be about an 8 hour drive for me from Ontario, Canada... very feasible. Drive there, pitch a tent... Yup, works for me. I'd like to also support the a Ohio location for vloggercon07. Mike http://vlog.mikemoon.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Erin Nealey schmee@ wrote: There are some folks in the Carolinas (though not a lot) but I know for me, the possibility of going to Ohio for Vloggercon '07 is much more likely than the west coast! I like the idea too :) Erin Nealey Mom's Brag Vlog nealey.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: I think you're better off keeping the conversation here and just titling your posts vloggercon midwest. I would absolutely love to attend if it's in Columbus. I know Columbus well. The problem is there's not enough of a critical mass in any one city in the midwest. Well... maybe Chicago. We've got a bunch of vloggers in IOWA, Minnesotta, St. Louis, a few in Michigan, One in Toledo Ohio. I've been slowly trying to put together comprehensive lists of these geographic pockets on mefeedia. It's hard work, trying to track people down, but it's well worth it. Minnesotta -- http://mefeedia.com/lists/17/ Midwest general -- http://mefeedia.com/lists/25/ Chicago -- http://mefeedia.com/lists/56/ Iowa -- http://mefeedia.com/lists/30/ Please give me your feed urls, name and locations either here or leave a comment on mefeedia and I'll add it to one of the lists. It you know an area not covered with a bunch of active vloggers. Please signup and create your own list. Trying to make this a more collaborative process. I hope in the future these channels will be places where discussion on specific topics and interests just naturally collects. It's still just a big experiment. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog On 11/17/06, CarLBanks carlbanks@ wrote: Josh, would you be interested in helping? I live in Columbus so this is why I wanted to finally meet all of the cool people I see. I created a vloggercon '07 group at http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vloggercon07ohio and anyone is welcome to join to help create one of the coolest conventions in Ohio! On 11/17/06, Josh Leo joshleo@ wrote: ohio is closer for me than any coast :)
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Oh Canada! I have to selfishly back this suggestion. We're sort of culturally (sadly, not geographically) halfway between the US and Europe. Except Calgary, where I live. It's like a cowboy theme park. Nox On 11/20/06, Lan Bui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If vloggercon was in the midwest I would go; but I would miss not seeing any of the euro people there. If vloggercon i made somewhere more convenient, it easily can be international. How is Hawaii for you euro guys? Or we can just make it hard to get to for anyone. Somewhere in Russia? Or maybe Canada? -Lan www.LanBui.com http://www.lanbui.com/ On Nov 19, 2006, at 6:27 PM, Nathan Miller wrote: How about Hawaii... nathan miller www.bicycle-sidewalk.com --- Amanda Congdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] amanda%40amandacongdon.com wrote: Bill Streeter and I were talking about the midwest for Vloggercon 2007what about having it in St. Louis at City Museum? That place is nuts. http://www.citymuseum.org/home.asp Could be amazing. We could take a lot of fun video there... and it really isn't fair that all the events are usually on the coasts. My only concern would be for those flying in from overseas... it's probably easier for them to meet up on the coasts... For those in the US though, St. Louis would be a great way to meet in the middle, literally. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vloggercon in the midwest would be pretty cool! Oh and: Ahk I'm not listed on meFeedia's Chicago list?! I'm ... I'm I'm going to offer som suggested additions check out all the poeople listed at: http://chicagovideobloggers.com/ for a good starter list :-) - Dave On 11/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you're better off keeping the conversation here and just titling your posts vloggercon midwest. I would absolutely love to attend if it's in Columbus. I know Columbus well. The problem is there's not enough of a critical mass in any one city in the midwest. Well... maybe Chicago. We've got a bunch of vloggers in IOWA, Minnesotta, St. Louis, a few in Michigan, One in Toledo Ohio. I've been slowly trying to put together comprehensive lists of these geographic pockets on mefeedia. It's hard work, trying to track people down, but it's well worth it. Minnesotta -- http://mefeedia.com/lists/17/ Midwest general -- http://mefeedia.com/lists/25/ Chicago -- http://mefeedia.com/lists/56/ Iowa -- http://mefeedia.com/lists/30/ Please give me your feed urls, name and locations either here or leave a comment on mefeedia and I'll add it to one of the lists. It you know an area not covered with a bunch of active vloggers. Please signup and create your own list. Trying to make this a more collaborative process. I hope in the future these channels will be places where discussion on specific topics and interests just naturally collects. It's still just a big experiment. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog On 11/17/06, CarLBanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh, would you be interested in helping? I live in Columbus so this is why I wanted to finally meet all of the cool people I see. I created a vloggercon '07 group at http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vloggercon07ohio and anyone is welcome to join to help create one of the coolest conventions in Ohio! On 11/17/06, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ohio is closer for me than any coast :) On 11/17/06, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] heathparks%40msn.com wrote: Yeah, that would be cool, I would LOVE to see something in Ohio.btw who is this Batman Geek you speak of that you have enlisted to help.. ;) Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, CarLBanks carlbanks@ wrote: I'd really like to see Vloggercon held in Ohio! I am proposing that, Batman Geek, myself, and ANYONE ELSE, setup a Vloggercon for 2007 in Ohio! This is no joke and I'm saying it because I want to help and I want to meet all of you crazy people! Who would like to help me set this up? -- http://thenameiwantedwastaken.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Heath, Paul, and anyone else interested: I'm still planning an event in Ohio. If we can't do Vloggercon then we'll do something else, but I guarantee that there will be an event in Ohio this year for Vlogging! On 11/19/06, R. Kristiansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess people don't get it. Just because we are open media, it doesn't mean that some of us are not more equal than others. Just because we are generally seen as hippies and frigging liberal tree-huggers, it does not mean that we do not have corporations. Vloggercon is an LLC, as far as I know. The event this year cost money, even though Intel and a lot of other companies were throwing money after what they see as the big thing in the future. No wonder PodTech wanted to host the vloggies : legitimacy. If you get all the vlogging hotshots to come to YOUR event, this gives your company a higher value. Vloggercon is a brand. Of course, we could all want to be a part of that blingbling. I see the point you make about elitism. But life sucks sometimes. If you are not an a-lister, you are not an a-lister. I remember when Josh Leo first started vlogging. His first big hit was a videoblog where he spent a lot of work editing together a video, then leaving comments on the vlogs of people that he mentioned in that video. The permalink for that video is here: http://www.joshleo.com/vlog/2005/04/14/vlog-on-vlog/ - I recommend you to watch it. It is still a good view. He talked in the video about the ship of vloggers leaving the port, and him feeling outside it. Well, as we found out later, he was wrong. Just because VloggerCon is to be run by a few people or people these people trust, it does not mean that you cannot do YOUR stuff the way YOU want it to happen. I remember this summer during the Node 101 session - there were some people who felt that they needed a Proper, Legitimate node101.org url in order to feel able to do something. Like they needed louisiana.node101.org or whatever in order to feel Official. This discussion about whether to host THE VLOGGERCON in Ohio, or somewhere else, is - frankly speaking - not for batmangeek, or me, or anyone else to decide. Besides those people who busted their butt off making vloggercon 2005 and/or 2006. And / or people these people trust. Tough luck. The vlogosphere is not democratic. Not Really. (whether we should change that is, then, a different issue). If I lived in Ohio and wanted an event happening there, I would just start planning an event there. I would try to get support from people, approaching individuals. I would set a date, and try to invite people to come hold presentations, or be a part of specific workshops on specific topics, or whatever. Ok, I lost the question. I have no clue about this. I just know that next year, VlogEurope will take place in Heidelberg, Germany. And I know that I had fun this weekend during VlogEurope 2006. And I know that videoblogging is still something that I want to be involved in. And I know I need to start posting more videos, ffs. Best regards to all! Hugs, Raymond M. Kristiansen http://dltq.org/v3 / http://www.evilvlog.com On 11/20/06, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] meade.dave%40gmail.com wrote: vloggercon is vloggercon ... everyone will try to come to that ... The Ohio get together ... will have 5 people at it. The whole point is to have VLOGGERCON someplace other than the costs. The Midwest isn't all that hard to get to. There are large to freakin' huge airports all over the midwest. On 11/19/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED]solitude%40solitude.dk solitude%40solitude.dk wrote: Ohio is easy to say, but a shit place to go to for those of us from outside the US. Anything that requires a domestic flight is not a good choice if you want an international audience. New York, San Francisco are much easier to get to - not to mention much much cheaper!!! Secondly, why use the vloggercon name? It seems a bit silly to me. Just do your own thing and give it your own name. - Andreas --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vloggercon 07 in Ohio, woot!! lets do it!!! it's only 11 hours in the air for me. Maybe this time I get to see some real Americans, lol. Mind you wait until June/Julyish then I will have enough money to do it! Paul Knight On 18 Nov 2006, at 19:30, Mike Moon wrote: Hey, I just took a look. Columbus would be about an 8 hour drive for me from Ontario, Canada... very feasible. Drive there, pitch a tent... Yup, works for me. I'd like to also support the a Ohio location for vloggercon07. Mike http://vlog.mikemoon.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com
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FWIW, I am a very active alumna of an international school in India, a large proportion of whose older alumni happen to be in the US/Canada. They therefore have the biggest reunions among themselves, but people from other parts of the world also like to attend. So they move them around from year to year: east coast, west coast, middle, both US and Canada. Someone will always be more inconvenienced than someone else, there's no way around that short of a Star Trek transporter. It seems fair enough to have one in the middle for once. I believe Andreas meant that Ohio is shit to get to from Europe, not that the state itself is shit - it is a simple objective truth that, given connection times, it would take any of us longer to get to the biggest airport in OH than to get to California. Keep in mind the international security rigmarole: land in a major hub like NYC or Atlanta, go through immigration, collect your baggage, run it through customs, recheck it, and then change terminals for your next plane. Can't be done in under two hours in most airports, in fact no airline will let you try. So, yes, it takes longer to get to Ohio. Please also cut Andreas some slack for the fact that when he wrote that he had had very little sleep for about a week, as we were both up to our eyeballs organizing and running vlogEurope and trying to participate in it at the same time. Please be aware that organizing and running a good event is ONE HELL OF A LOT OF WORK. If you're not getting paid to do it or being allowed to do it by your boss on office time (as I was - that was TVBLOB's contribution), you will be running yourself into the ground on your off hours, as Andreas did (he's a full-time graduate student and also works). As for vlogEurope - it was a lot of fun. Even the Americans said so. See http://vlogeurope.com/wiki/index.php?title=Media_Dump for materials. -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Money spinner? LOL. We had a donation of $2000 from Node 101, which paid for an apartment in Milan to sleep six people for a week (1500 euros) - except they didn't sleep much, what with the high-speed internet access (60 euros) and all-night conversations (no charge). Another variable number (2-6, depending on the night) slept in my family room in Lecco (and ate some meals with my family), and a few more paid for their own hotels in Milan. 12 people paid 20 euros each for a registration fee, which we later withdrew when it was determined that this was deterring registrations by, e.g., Italian students. Those people all generously agreed to donate that amount to the kitty, which helped to cover transport and other incidentals. The venue (http://www.ied.it/Ied/ita/citta/milano.html) was organized by Bruno Pellegrini and his crew at http://www.theblogtv.it/ with (a lot of!) logistical and marketing support from http://www.digitalmagics.com/ and http://www.ilcannocchiale.it/ We had a much-appreciated donation of 250 euros for wine at our final dinner. When all the accounting is finished (that is, when I recover enough to feel sure I haven't forgotten anything), we'll know exactly how much is left over to donate to next year's event, which Joel has masochistically volunteered to organize in Heidelberg. Full accounting will be rendered to our donors. What did I get out of it? One nice dinner for myself, my husband, and my daughter. A lot of fascinating new friends. A bottle of genuine Port from Portugal. Some lovely video shot from my balcony, and a personal interview by the one and only Madge. Lesbian bath goodies from the Body Shop. A great time (outside the bath). Many last-minute scrambles to deal with things like a transport strike, a late-night train that turned out to be a very slow bus, and almost everyone's sudden changes of plan (40 euros' worth of cellphone charges in five days on my phone alone! - I shudder to think of Andreas' roaming charges). Two lovely candle holders from Denmark. Much hard work. Plenty of fun. 'Nuff said. Join us in Heidelberg next year for beer and bratwurst! On 11/20/06, Paul Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WTF people, not all Europeans are as outspoken or foolish as little Andreas, who lets face it is a kid anyway, and was probably all trolled up on the vlogeurope money spinner. If vloggercon next year is gonna be in Texas, I'll come, if it's gonna be in San Francisco again, I will moan(because I have been there twice this year), but probably come, if it gonna be in New York, I will think about the ramifications of visiting such a big city, that scares me, but probably come. Hawaii is definately out, that's one of those locations I would not be able to get to unless I won the Lottery, sigh! Ohio or St.Louis gets my vote. But then again it is not until next year so, whilst I am waiting and watching the community tear itself a new (con) nice one Loiez, Tell me in enough time and I'll get saving and buying flight tickets. Paul Knight On 20 Nov 2006, at 13:43, Steve Watkins wrote: Ive always thought that we will really know that online video has come of age, when there is less need to physically travel and do these things in the real world. Videoblogging is whats new has the potential to change things. But awards shows, conferences mailing lists are subject to the usual problems, whatever the topic is. The fact the conference is about Videoblogging does not negate factors such as location, transport costs, human egos etc. For me it boils down to what vloggercon is actually trying to be. If its supposed to be an international conference, then it has to take that into account - international conferences by their very nature need to consider how easy it is for people to travel there. If it isnt an internatinal conference then thats no longer a primary concern. I think it is a red herring to go on about Europe, this is not a European issue per se, if Europe vanished into the sea then the argument would just shift to eing amoungst Americans. See past discussions about the 'New York as the centre of the universe' for example of that. And if it does seem like a 'USA vs Europe' thing at times, then thats an example of an ven wider problem, language. This stuff is all so English, who even knows whats going on with vlogging in non-English speakig countries unless you happen to speak their language. I hear that Spanish is a big language in the USA, are spanish-speakers represented at vloggercons and award shows? Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just want to make sure I understand your position here Andreas, so if and it's a big if, Vloggercon was NOT held on either of the coasts you would not come? What is Ryanne, Jay, Bill, Steve, Rocketboom, Alive in Bagdad, etc all the other biggies
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Den 24.11.2006 kl. 15:26 skrev Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (40 euros' worth of cellphone charges in five days on my phone alone! - I shudder to think of Andreas' roaming charges) Oh, no worries. I'm not going to look at my phone bill - I'm just going to pretend the whole thing didn't happen. :o) -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/
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On 11/24/06, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe Andreas meant that Ohio is shit to get to from Europe, not that the state itself is shit - it is a simple objective truth that, given connection times, it would take any of us longer to get to the biggest airport in OH than to get to California. Keep in mind the international security rigmarole: land in a major hub like NYC or Atlanta, go through immigration, collect your baggage, run it through customs, recheck it, and then change terminals for your next plane. Can't be done in under two hours in most airports, in fact no airline will let you try. So, yes, it takes longer to get to Ohio. This is only true given the assumption there are no direct flights to a major city in Ohio. I did some searching and there are international flights directly into OH, and they're are roughly the same price as getting to california. (I didn't spend ALOT of time comparing, but the rates I saw for a direct flight to Ohio vs. a direct flight to San Fran were only off by about $100). -- http://www.DavidMeade.com
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Vloggercon 07 in Ohio, woot!! lets do it!!! it's only 11 hours in the air for me. Maybe this time I get to see some real Americans, lol. Mind you wait until June/Julyish then I will have enough money to do it! Paul Knight On 18 Nov 2006, at 19:30, Mike Moon wrote: Hey, I just took a look. Columbus would be about an 8 hour drive for me from Ontario, Canada... very feasible. Drive there, pitch a tent... Yup, works for me. I'd like to also support the a Ohio location for vloggercon07. Mike http://vlog.mikemoon.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Erin Nealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are some folks in the Carolinas (though not a lot) but I know for me, the possibility of going to Ohio for Vloggercon '07 is much more likely than the west coast! I like the idea too :) Erin Nealey Mom's Brag Vlog nealey.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: I think you're better off keeping the conversation here and just titling your posts vloggercon midwest. I would absolutely love to attend if it's in Columbus. I know Columbus well. The problem is there's not enough of a critical mass in any one city in the midwest. Well... maybe Chicago. We've got a bunch of vloggers in IOWA, Minnesotta, St. Louis, a few in Michigan, One in Toledo Ohio. I've been slowly trying to put together comprehensive lists of these geographic pockets on mefeedia. It's hard work, trying to track people down, but it's well worth it. Minnesotta -- http://mefeedia.com/lists/17/ Midwest general -- http://mefeedia.com/lists/25/ Chicago -- http://mefeedia.com/lists/56/ Iowa -- http://mefeedia.com/lists/30/ Please give me your feed urls, name and locations either here or leave a comment on mefeedia and I'll add it to one of the lists. It you know an area not covered with a bunch of active vloggers. Please signup and create your own list. Trying to make this a more collaborative process. I hope in the future these channels will be places where discussion on specific topics and interests just naturally collects. It's still just a big experiment. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog On 11/17/06, CarLBanks carlbanks@ wrote: Josh, would you be interested in helping? I live in Columbus so this is why I wanted to finally meet all of the cool people I see. I created a vloggercon '07 group at http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vloggercon07ohio and anyone is welcome to join to help create one of the coolest conventions in Ohio! On 11/17/06, Josh Leo joshleo@ wrote: ohio is closer for me than any coast :) On 11/17/06, Heath heathparks@ heathparks%40msn.com wrote: Yeah, that would be cool, I would LOVE to see something in Ohio.btw who is this Batman Geek you speak of that you have enlisted to help.. ;) Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com, CarLBanks carlbanks@ wrote: I'd really like to see Vloggercon held in Ohio! I am proposing that, Batman Geek, myself, and ANYONE ELSE, setup a Vloggercon for 2007 in Ohio! This is no joke and I'm saying it because I want to help and I want to meet all of you crazy people! Who would like to help me set this up? -- http://thenameiwantedwastaken.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://thenameiwantedwastaken.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Vloggercon in the midwest would be pretty cool! Oh and: Ahk I'm not listed on meFeedia's Chicago list?! I'm ... I'm I'm going to offer som suggested additions check out all the poeople listed at: http://chicagovideobloggers.com/ for a good starter list :-) - Dave On 11/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you're better off keeping the conversation here and just titling your posts vloggercon midwest. I would absolutely love to attend if it's in Columbus. I know Columbus well. The problem is there's not enough of a critical mass in any one city in the midwest. Well... maybe Chicago. We've got a bunch of vloggers in IOWA, Minnesotta, St. Louis, a few in Michigan, One in Toledo Ohio. I've been slowly trying to put together comprehensive lists of these geographic pockets on mefeedia. It's hard work, trying to track people down, but it's well worth it. Minnesotta -- http://mefeedia.com/lists/17/ Midwest general -- http://mefeedia.com/lists/25/ Chicago -- http://mefeedia.com/lists/56/ Iowa -- http://mefeedia.com/lists/30/ Please give me your feed urls, name and locations either here or leave a comment on mefeedia and I'll add it to one of the lists. It you know an area not covered with a bunch of active vloggers. Please signup and create your own list. Trying to make this a more collaborative process. I hope in the future these channels will be places where discussion on specific topics and interests just naturally collects. It's still just a big experiment. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog On 11/17/06, CarLBanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh, would you be interested in helping? I live in Columbus so this is why I wanted to finally meet all of the cool people I see. I created a vloggercon '07 group at http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vloggercon07ohio and anyone is welcome to join to help create one of the coolest conventions in Ohio! On 11/17/06, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ohio is closer for me than any coast :) On 11/17/06, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] heathparks%40msn.com wrote: Yeah, that would be cool, I would LOVE to see something in Ohio.btw who is this Batman Geek you speak of that you have enlisted to help.. ;) Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, CarLBanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd really like to see Vloggercon held in Ohio! I am proposing that, Batman Geek, myself, and ANYONE ELSE, setup a Vloggercon for 2007 in Ohio! This is no joke and I'm saying it because I want to help and I want to meet all of you crazy people! Who would like to help me set this up? -- http://thenameiwantedwastaken.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://thenameiwantedwastaken.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com
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I think you're better off keeping the conversation here and just titling your posts vloggercon midwest. I would absolutely love to attend if it's in Columbus. I know Columbus well. The problem is there's not enough of a critical mass in any one city in the midwest. Well... maybe Chicago. We've got a bunch of vloggers in IOWA, Minnesotta, St. Louis, a few in Michigan, One in Toledo Ohio. I've been slowly trying to put together comprehensive lists of these geographic pockets on mefeedia. It's hard work, trying to track people down, but it's well worth it. Minnesotta -- http://mefeedia.com/lists/17/ Midwest general -- http://mefeedia.com/lists/25/ Chicago -- http://mefeedia.com/lists/56/ Iowa -- http://mefeedia.com/lists/30/ Please give me your feed urls, name and locations either here or leave a comment on mefeedia and I'll add it to one of the lists. It you know an area not covered with a bunch of active vloggers. Please signup and create your own list. Trying to make this a more collaborative process. I hope in the future these channels will be places where discussion on specific topics and interests just naturally collects. It's still just a big experiment. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog On 11/17/06, CarLBanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh, would you be interested in helping? I live in Columbus so this is why I wanted to finally meet all of the cool people I see. I created a vloggercon '07 group at http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vloggercon07ohio and anyone is welcome to join to help create one of the coolest conventions in Ohio! On 11/17/06, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ohio is closer for me than any coast :) On 11/17/06, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] heathparks%40msn.com wrote: Yeah, that would be cool, I would LOVE to see something in Ohio.btw who is this Batman Geek you speak of that you have enlisted to help.. ;) Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, CarLBanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd really like to see Vloggercon held in Ohio! I am proposing that, Batman Geek, myself, and ANYONE ELSE, setup a Vloggercon for 2007 in Ohio! This is no joke and I'm saying it because I want to help and I want to meet all of you crazy people! Who would like to help me set this up? -- http://thenameiwantedwastaken.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://thenameiwantedwastaken.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
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ohio is closer for me than any coast :) On 11/17/06, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, that would be cool, I would LOVE to see something in Ohio.btw who is this Batman Geek you speak of that you have enlisted to help.. ;) Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, CarLBanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd really like to see Vloggercon held in Ohio! I am proposing that, Batman Geek, myself, and ANYONE ELSE, setup a Vloggercon for 2007 in Ohio! This is no joke and I'm saying it because I want to help and I want to meet all of you crazy people! Who would like to help me set this up? -- http://thenameiwantedwastaken.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Josh, would you be interested in helping? I live in Columbus so this is why I wanted to finally meet all of the cool people I see. I created a vloggercon '07 group at http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vloggercon07ohio and anyone is welcome to join to help create one of the coolest conventions in Ohio! On 11/17/06, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ohio is closer for me than any coast :) On 11/17/06, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] heathparks%40msn.com wrote: Yeah, that would be cool, I would LOVE to see something in Ohio.btw who is this Batman Geek you speak of that you have enlisted to help.. ;) Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, CarLBanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd really like to see Vloggercon held in Ohio! I am proposing that, Batman Geek, myself, and ANYONE ELSE, setup a Vloggercon for 2007 in Ohio! This is no joke and I'm saying it because I want to help and I want to meet all of you crazy people! Who would like to help me set this up? -- http://thenameiwantedwastaken.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://thenameiwantedwastaken.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
