Re: [videoblogging] Re: The PAN!
I have found a ton of sites and video from other's that I may not have found myself. That is what I love about Steve Garfield's Vlog Soup, etc.On 1/16/06, Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I am more of a fan of picking out my own content. That is the beauty of video on the web...the options. If I wanted someone else picking out what was cool for me to watch I could just turn on TV? No? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea here is that people who subscribe to The PAN are trusting us to provide 15 minutes of *Really Good* stuff, so they won't need them as separate chunks. You should at least provide better text descriptions on the site and in the feed. This will make it easier to trust that you are really providing 15 min. of good stuff. Right now, I have no idea what stuff is there until after I've viewed. Text descriptions are too often overlooked by videobloggers. They are really helpful to the viewer deciding if they want to download and also to search engines to help make your content more findable. I agree with most of this. If it proves to be true that viewers won't watch a video until they've read something about it, we'll probably have to rethink our presentation. Although Rocketboom, Bottomunion, Human- Dog, etc. haven't seemed to have had a problem with a lack of text. We provide a list of the individual creators featured in the video, with links, so that's enough to get you started. But like I said, time will tell... Plus 15 minutes is not that much for most commuters, who are a good portion of iPod video watchers. If you're watching the PAN in the morning on your way to work, you can stop it halfway through when you get to the office, then when you take lunch or go home at night, restart it right where you left off. I guess that's a matter of opinion. I can't watch 15 min. of hardly anything. I always prefer shorter bits to longer ones. Right, totally. It just so happens that this 15 minutes is a video doppelganger of what's going on inside my head a lot of the time, so it's a blast for me to watch it, and I usually want it to run longer when I see it. It's an interesting combination of content. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- ~DevlonBlog: http://devlond.blogspot.comVlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://mefeedia.com -OR- http://mefeedia.com/blog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: The PAN!
On 1/16/06, Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I am more of a fan of picking out my own content. That is the beauty of video on the web...the options. If I wanted someone else picking out what was cool for me to watch I could just turn on TV? No?This is very true. If what you wanted to watch existed on the TV, then that would be the place you would watch it. The point here is that this stuff isn't made for the TV, it's made for The PAN. Eventually, in a predetermined time period, we are going to have 100% original content made specifically for The PAN. We just don't have the resources to do it yet.Until then, we find videos that we want to watch, and think that other people would want to watch, and put them in the feed. It's a matter of taste though, and if you don't like the stuff we're putting in there from other people, you probably won't like the stuff we're creating originally either. The beauty of video on the web, for me, is that you can do whatever the fuck you want.From your statements, can I assume that you watched the 1st video and were unimpressed by our content?AQ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: The PAN!
On Jan 16, 2006, at 3:39 PM, Nick wrote: I think I am more of a fan of picking out my own content. That is the beauty of video on the web...the options. If I wanted someone else picking out what was cool for me to watch I could just turn on TV? No? as is your right Nick... but in a world of infinite and abundant content... someone always does the picking... there are in fact infinite forms of packaging and filtering content... and it's unrealistic to think we'll always get it directly from our favorite vloggers mouth... though I think that's a strong part of the puzzle. Increasinly I think we'll rely on our friends and the communities we participate to be our filters... and who knows how they'll recontextualize and repackage content. I think we'll use traditional top down editorial methods as are used in news rooms and cable stations less and less getting more information through our communities... Call it the global village or whatever you like but there's a whole new economy based on how communications are accessed and used. It's no longer completely in the hands of the few... This is why publishers are suing google.. and record labels refuse to put content on line... they don't want to give up their lucrative marketing and distribution systems... they're afraid to give up some control... but increasingly it'll be US and our communities that make sense out of the world... no longer executives in board rooms or advertisers and marketers figuring out what we want based on how we spend our money... but US based on what we talk about and share. And as I'm fond of saying once everyone get's over that hurdle of giving up some controll we're all going to benifit societally and economicly tremendously... on all levels... not just down here in the trenches... the long tail so too speak... but even the big media companies. Indeed this swing is already happening in news media as newspapers realize that bloggers are not the enemy but are in fact offer a HUGE economic benifit to their business. To come full circle I tend to really like just that The Pan is packaging content in a really unique way... intermediating it differently... well also that it's really unique content... but the packaging is cool too. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog evilvlog.com mefeedia.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea here is that people who subscribe to The PAN are trusting us to provide 15 minutes of *Really Good* stuff, so they won't need them as separate chunks. You should at least provide better text descriptions on the site and in the feed. This will make it easier to trust that you are really providing 15 min. of good stuff. Right now, I have no idea what stuff is there until after I've viewed. Text descriptions are too often overlooked by videobloggers. They are really helpful to the viewer deciding if they want to download and also to search engines to help make your content more findable. I agree with most of this. If it proves to be true that viewers won't watch a video until they've read something about it, we'll probably have to rethink our presentation. Although Rocketboom, Bottomunion, Human- Dog, etc. haven't seemed to have had a problem with a lack of text. We provide a list of the individual creators featured in the video, with links, so that's enough to get you started. But like I said, time will tell... Plus 15 minutes is not that much for most commuters, who are a good portion of iPod video watchers. If you're watching the PAN in the morning on your way to work, you can stop it halfway through when you get to the office, then when you take lunch or go home at night, restart it right where you left off. I guess that's a matter of opinion. I can't watch 15 min. of hardly anything. I always prefer shorter bits to longer ones. Right, totally. It just so happens that this 15 minutes is a video doppelganger of what's going on inside my head a lot of the time, so it's a blast for me to watch it, and I usually want it to run longer when I see it. It's an interesting combination of content. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: The PAN!
The pan is the next version of the original MTV... :)Only instead of stringing together music videos they got for free the pan is sringing together viral and independant media.Just like mtv this works because The Pan is giving these artist promotion it's the same model... just a different medium... a different market and a different generation... and I think it's a bautiful thing because it allows us to draw tremendous parrallels between MTV "revolution in Cable TV" and our revolution in internet based media. I really hope the pan succeds tremendously if only because I want to keep following the evolution and enjoying the simple parrels and differences between these two so called revolutions in distributing media.BTW, if you're interested in MTV's story you should wikipedia it... and while you're at it... perhaps more so you should wikipedia Ted Turner and the CNN story... he very much predated MTV and infact MTV more or less coppied his architecture... of course by the time MTV came around everyone was copying CNN's architecture... ...that architecture btw, was to take a single niche... in CNN's case news... and make it global... and make it 24x7 around the clock... it was a radical idea in it's time... because everyone knew the news was supposed to be a one hour thing at 5'oclock and 11 o'clock... who in the world would watch news 24x7? and yet the pervasiveness of CNN showed that you could recycle and regurgetate and recontextualize the news over and over for 24 hours and people would tune in because they new at any point the could tune in and they'd catch the top issues of the moment..and now Tivo has come along... and proposed something different... but Tivo is not the end all be all... the CNN's and MTV's of this generation are still out there lurking waiting to be discovered... Current TV many thought might have a stab at this... but as many have pointed out they simply BLEW it big time the're just the same old media in the new clothing indeed architecturally they throw a bone to participation... Personally... and I know my opinion means nothing to what time will teach us... but I think the MTV of tomorrow is the idea of the Personal Feed... the idea that you can create a channel that's completely YOURS... your media... and that you can interact with that personal channel in any and every way possible... that it's going to be pervasive in time and space... watchable not just at any time of the day, not just on demand... bit anywhere you want it... in front of the TV... while on the subway on your ipod or PSP... perhaps on your Nokia770 or cell phone... wherever you want that constantly updating channels of information you'll have it... and this may on one level sound absurd but then it's already true... we're ALL... all our videos are going to make up that channel... call it channel internet or some B.S but it's not going to be channel CNN... or channel MTV or whatever the end user is going to take ownership over that channel... and all media makers will be able to do is make media ... not craft the channel... not decide what to put in front of you... and what ads... they'll get to make their shows and decide how to make them "available" and we'll decide how we want to access them and when. This is a huge shift in the world of media... from a world of couch potatoes from a world where people will reach through the network and east from an infinite bufette of media. And once again this may be my personal B.S. but the services and tools that are most in line with that vision will be the ones that succeed best.I could go on four hours about google video vs. iTunes video vs. yahoo's plans... all of them want to bring big media to the internet... but really it's the one who's most "open" that will win... period.. the one who allows the most media makers to enter the marketplace and the one accessible by the most consumers... and all matter of interaction inbetween. Mark my words... either by the end of 2006 or the end of 2007 Apple's glorious closed platform will either become the coffin in which they soffocate or they'll have to dismantel it and open it up to everyone... this does NOT mean they'll loose money... but it does mean they'll loose marketshare... just like they did in the Windows/mac showdow in the 80's. The most open platform will win.My money though the start is humble is on googlebtw ebay.com... same damn story... they opened the markets to everyone... turned every buyer into a seller, and look at them now buying Skype for $4 billion... crazy bastards.Peace,-MikeOn Jan 16, 2006, at 4:00 PM, Adam Quirk wrote: On 1/16/06, Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I am more of a fan of picking out my own content. That is the beauty of video on the web...the options. If I wanted someone else picking out what was cool for me to watch I could just turn on TV? No?This is very true. If what you wanted to watch existed on the TV, then that
