Re: [videoblogging] Re: When video services scale up your videos dimensions

2006-02-27 Thread Michael Sullivan 



Primary for me, is the authors intent... despite that prob not being an overwhelming concern, I pref to adhere to it.  Secondary is the quality... since most videos scale up with minimum distortion.  I also figure that as aggregator services, their is enough tearing a part of content/context and any chance to preserve something from the original source, is a good idea I think.  
I think the way I have it on vlogdir, a click to enlarge, a click to return to default (the most likely original scale of 320x240) is not a bad experience.  sullOn 2/27/06, 
Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Quesiton:Is this issue about preserving an artist's intentions or is it aboutquality of video when rescaled (i.e. viewing at original size isperceived as "best" quality)-JoshOn 2/27/06, Enric <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> I agree.  At the very least an aggregator should default to the> original size and offer the option to go back to it if rescaled.>>   -- Enric
>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > I don't like it, especially when they do not provide you with an option
> > to view the view at it's original and intended size.> >> > On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote:> >> > > How do you feel about aggregators or video hosting sites where you
> can> > > play videos increasing the dimensions from 320x240 to a larger> > > scale?> >> > --Steve> > --> > 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: When video services scale up your videos dimensions

2006-02-27 Thread Joshua Kinberg 
Not so easy... there's a lot of different formats that all treat this
differently. Also, that data is not exposed to the browser, it is
handled by the plugin.

-Josh


On 2/27/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would think the movie information including the size is in the
> header of the file.  That should make the information available in the
> first bytes loaded before the audio and video data.  If so, then one
> should be able to determine the size before the video and audio
> streams through.
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>   -- Enric
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> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Kinberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > These are all good points...
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> > Here's one reason to scale to a consistent size (while retaining
> aspect ratio):
> > - Not every video is the same size
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> > There is no way to tell if a video is 320x240 or 1000x2500 without
> > downloading the file. This information certainly does not exist in the
> > RSS feed at this time. Now, most videos are 320x240 for now... but not
> > all.
> >
> > If you want to embed the video into a webpage and have it work within
> > the design of that webpage, then it helps to scale to a consistent
> > size. If you simply embed without setting the scale property then
> > there's no telling what you might get.
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> > By providing a link to the original video (not embedded), then the
> > viewer can see it at its original "intended" size.
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> > I would also argue though that most people do not really have an
> > "intended" size when making a video. Some people do. Some people are
> > artists. Other people just export at whatever size iMovie or similar
> > editing program exports at and they probably wouldn't consider the
> > size of their video as part of their "intented" work of art.
> >
> > So, taking into account this information, perhaps FireAnt.tv should
> > keep all videos at a consistent 320x240 (that is probably the most
> > common size)... we tried this, but decided we preferred the larger
> > viewing experience. There is also a direct link to the original video
> > file and blog entry on each video page, so viewers can go and watch
> > the video at original sizes if they prefer.
> >
> > Perhaps we could reconsider... I happen to like viewing at a larger
> > size, but maybe that's just me. Does anyone else like the larger
> > viewing size, or am I alone on this one?
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > -Josh
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> > On 2/27/06, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I don't like it, especially when they do not provide you with an
> option
> > > to view the view at it's original and intended size.
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> > > On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote:
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> > > > How do you feel about aggregators or video hosting sites where
> you can
> > > > play videos increasing the dimensions from 320x240 to a larger
> > > > scale?
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> > > --Steve
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> > > http://SteveGarfield.com
> > > http://Rocketboom.com
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> > > My most recent post:
> > > VLOG SOUP: Episode 11
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> > > "You are worth like 50 million danishes." - Amy Carpenter
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: When video services scale up your videos dimensions

2006-02-27 Thread Joshua Kinberg 
Quesiton:
Is this issue about preserving an artist's intentions or is it about
quality of video when rescaled (i.e. viewing at original size is
perceived as "best" quality)

-Josh


On 2/27/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree.  At the very least an aggregator should default to the
> original size and offer the option to go back to it if rescaled.
>
>   -- Enric
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> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > I don't like it, especially when they do not provide you with an option
> > to view the view at it's original and intended size.
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote:
> >
> > > How do you feel about aggregators or video hosting sites where you
> can
> > > play videos increasing the dimensions from 320x240 to a larger
> > > scale?
> >
> > --Steve
> > --
> > http://SteveGarfield.com
> > http://Rocketboom.com
> >
> > My most recent post:
> > VLOG SOUP: Episode 11
> > 
> >
> > "You are worth like 50 million danishes." - Amy Carpenter
> >
> > Alternative reply address:
> > stephen.garfield [AT] comcast.net
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: When video services scale up your videos dimensions

2006-02-27 Thread Joshua Kinberg 
Also, another note... there seems to be some confusion here when
talking about aggregators... Michael's original message was referring
to FireAnt.tv, which is our website. He was not referring to FireAnt
the desktop-based aggregator, which gives the user much more control
over the viewing size of the video (which is one of the nice things
about viewing video on your desktop).

On the web, viewing options are more limited for most video formats as
the browser doesn't really control the video but rather it is
controlled by a media plugin. You can alter the size of the video by
refreshing the webpage or perhaps with aome AJAXy tricks, but we've
found that the exerience of doing this isn't really all that
satisfying as it doesn't work the way it would on your desktop.

Flash is an exception here of course, and this is one reason why the
"upload our video here" sites like to convert to Flash.

-Josh


On 2/27/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just a note, scaling does not mean that the aspect ratio changes.
> Widescreen is still widescreen.
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> -Josh
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> On 2/27/06, David Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I vote for no scaling.
> >
> > If I wanted a larger video, I would have made a larger video to begin
> > with.
> >
> > David
> > http://www.taoofdavid.com
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Sullivan"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Quick question to those who have an opinion to offer.
> > >
> > > How do you feel about aggregators or video hosting sites where you
> > can play
> > > videos increasing the dimensions from 320x240 to a larger scale?
> > >
> > > + mefeedia.com was doing this for a while but not currently.
> > > + fireant.tv is now doing this
> > > + vlogdir.com provides it as an option to the viewer but defaults to
> > > 320x240
> > > + blip doesnt do this.
> > > + various other services are mixed.
> > >
> > > Do you care?  Is bigger better? Some videos dont look good scaled
> > up, others
> > > look fine.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: When video services scale up your videos dimensions

2006-02-27 Thread Joshua Kinberg 
Just a note, scaling does not mean that the aspect ratio changes.
Widescreen is still widescreen.

-Josh


On 2/27/06, David Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I vote for no scaling.
>
> If I wanted a larger video, I would have made a larger video to begin
> with.
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> David
> http://www.taoofdavid.com
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> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Sullivan"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Quick question to those who have an opinion to offer.
> >
> > How do you feel about aggregators or video hosting sites where you
> can play
> > videos increasing the dimensions from 320x240 to a larger scale?
> >
> > + mefeedia.com was doing this for a while but not currently.
> > + fireant.tv is now doing this
> > + vlogdir.com provides it as an option to the viewer but defaults to
> > 320x240
> > + blip doesnt do this.
> > + various other services are mixed.
> >
> > Do you care?  Is bigger better? Some videos dont look good scaled
> up, others
> > look fine.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
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