Re: [videoblogging] Re: using josh's pop up thing.

2006-01-20 Thread andrew michael baron
One thing to keep in mind when deleting your old site is the link  
authority that you have built up. If you leave your old files in tact  
and also point to your new site, you will actually increase your link  
authority in the long run as you will have a whole other site  
pointing to your new site.

If you delete everything and start from scratch, or move everything,  
its likely you will, well, you start from scratch.

I noticed that Robert Scoble opted to leave his old site in tact and  
direct newbees to the new domain:
http://radio.weblogs.com/0001011/

Just a consideration.

On Jan 20, 2006, at 2:04 PM, Andreas Haugstrup wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:48:12 +0100, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> ok so I really liked the way Andreas' script worked so I started
>> tweaking it a bit.  I'm no code wizard but I believe I have it  
>> working
>> for QuickTime, Windows Media, MP3s, and will resize the player
>> according to the size of the still image used to represent it.
>
> Awesome! I'll be updating my blog. Thanks a lot! WMV doesn't work  
> in Opera
> (I'm one of the five people on the planet who is a user). It  
> downloads the
> file, but the "play" button never stops being grayed out. I had the  
> same
> problem and I think Opera just doesn't work with dynamically loaded
> s and WMV... Sucks.
>
>> It doesn't work in IE however. my stats show that most of my visitors
>> are still on IE (I pitty them) ... anyone know how to make it
>> cross-browser-friendly?
>
> IE doesn't care about the "return false" in the replaceLink  
> function. This
> is what makes any other browser stop following the link. IE's  
> behaviour is
> to insert the embedded video and then follow the link. Very silly.
>
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: using josh's pop up thing.

2006-01-20 Thread Andreas Haugstrup
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:32:39 +0100, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Can't you supply the real url but use an onclick handler? Then clients
> without Javascript can still get to it:
>
> http://foo.com/"; onclick="window.open('http://foo.com/');return
> false">http://foo.com/

That would be one way. However my number one goal when I started ws that I  
didn't want to change the way I write links. That's why I'm not doing the  
onclick="" thing.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: using josh's pop up thing.

2006-01-20 Thread Joshua Kinberg
> Can't you supply the real url but use an onclick handler? Then clients
> without Javascript can still get to it:
>
> http://foo.com/"; onclick="window.open('http://foo.com/');return
> false">http://foo.com/

Yep. This is the reason I wrote the popup generator like this. No hidden links.


> Take another look at the page Josh has:
>
>http://joshkinberg.com/popupmaker/
>
> for some example code.
>
> Let's make things valid and accessible if possible...


Yes, totally agree ;-)


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: using josh's pop up thing.

2006-01-20 Thread Pete Prodoehl
Andreas Haugstrup wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:48:38 +0100, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote: 
> 
>>I do something like this one my site as well
>>(http://www.davidmeade.com) and I like the effect  ... I've got it
>>working with quicktime, windows media, and audio files.
> 
> But you're using javascript: links, which is troublesome (doesn't degrade  
> gracefully). Then you also have to create additional download links for  
> Feedburner and other spiders. It's exactly the attaching of an even on a  
> normal link I was having trouble getting to work in IE. I only spent ten  
> minutes on it so I'm sure it can be made to work in IE.

Can't you supply the real url but use an onclick handler? Then clients 
without Javascript can still get to it:

http://foo.com/"; onclick="window.open('http://foo.com/');return 
false">http://foo.com/

or better (if it works for you):

http://foo.com/"; 
onclick="window.open(this.href)">http://foo.com/

Take another look at the page Josh has:

   http://joshkinberg.com/popupmaker/

for some example code.

Let's make things valid and accessible if possible...


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: using josh's pop up thing.

2006-01-20 Thread David Meade
Maybe for IE we could rewrite the HREF value to "#"  ???

On 1/20/06, Andreas Haugstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:48:12 +0100, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > ok so I really liked the way Andreas' script worked so I started
> > tweaking it a bit.  I'm no code wizard but I believe I have it working
> > for QuickTime, Windows Media, MP3s, and will resize the player
> > according to the size of the still image used to represent it.
>
> Awesome! I'll be updating my blog. Thanks a lot! WMV doesn't work in Opera
> (I'm one of the five people on the planet who is a user). It downloads the
> file, but the "play" button never stops being grayed out. I had the same
> problem and I think Opera just doesn't work with dynamically loaded
> s and WMV... Sucks.
>
> > It doesn't work in IE however. my stats show that most of my visitors
> > are still on IE (I pitty them) ... anyone know how to make it
> > cross-browser-friendly?
>
> IE doesn't care about the "return false" in the replaceLink function. This
> is what makes any other browser stop following the link. IE's behaviour is
> to insert the embedded video and then follow the link. Very silly.
>
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: using josh's pop up thing.

2006-01-20 Thread Andreas Haugstrup
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:48:12 +0100, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> ok so I really liked the way Andreas' script worked so I started
> tweaking it a bit.  I'm no code wizard but I believe I have it working
> for QuickTime, Windows Media, MP3s, and will resize the player
> according to the size of the still image used to represent it.

Awesome! I'll be updating my blog. Thanks a lot! WMV doesn't work in Opera  
(I'm one of the five people on the planet who is a user). It downloads the  
file, but the "play" button never stops being grayed out. I had the same  
problem and I think Opera just doesn't work with dynamically loaded  
s and WMV... Sucks.

> It doesn't work in IE however. my stats show that most of my visitors
> are still on IE (I pitty them) ... anyone know how to make it
> cross-browser-friendly?

IE doesn't care about the "return false" in the replaceLink function. This  
is what makes any other browser stop following the link. IE's behaviour is  
to insert the embedded video and then follow the link. Very silly.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: using josh's pop up thing.

2006-01-20 Thread David Meade
ok so I really liked the way Andreas' script worked so I started
tweaking it a bit.  I'm no code wizard but I believe I have it working
for QuickTime, Windows Media, MP3s, and will resize the player
according to the size of the still image used to represent it.

It doesn't work in IE however. my stats show that most of my visitors
are still on IE (I pitty them) ... anyone know how to make it
cross-browser-friendly?

You can see the results of my tweaks and tweaked code here: (firefox)

http://davidmeade.com/wip/media_test.php



On 1/20/06, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > But you're using javascript: links, which is troublesome (doesn't degrade
> > gracefully). Then you also have to create additional download links for
> > Feedburner and other spiders.
>
> Yeah the "play" links on my site are JavaScript links, but so far that
> hasnt been a reported problem.  My site generates its own feed with
> enclosures, so I dont need to rely on feedburner or anything else to
> catch them.  I only added the download links for completeness sake.
> Like I said, I'm not sure my script is too portable ... it relies on
> the custom built system that is in place at DavidMeade.com.
>
> But I like the way you've done yours, Andreas.  Maybe I'll revamp mine
> someday to be more ... degrade-able  :-P
>
> >It's exactly the attaching of an even on a
> > normal link I was having trouble getting to work in IE. I only spent ten
> > minutes on it so I'm sure it can be made to work in IE.
>
> Mine seems to work on both IE and Firefox.
>
> On 1/20/06, Andreas Haugstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:48:38 +0100, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I do something like this one my site as well
> > > (http://www.davidmeade.com) and I like the effect  ... I've got it
> > > working with quicktime, windows media, and audio files.
> >
> > But you're using javascript: links, which is troublesome (doesn't degrade
> > gracefully). Then you also have to create additional download links for
> > Feedburner and other spiders. It's exactly the attaching of an even on a
> > normal link I was having trouble getting to work in IE. I only spent ten
> > minutes on it so I'm sure it can be made to work in IE.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: using josh's pop up thing.

2006-01-20 Thread David Meade
> But you're using javascript: links, which is troublesome (doesn't degrade
> gracefully). Then you also have to create additional download links for
> Feedburner and other spiders.

Yeah the "play" links on my site are JavaScript links, but so far that
hasnt been a reported problem.  My site generates its own feed with
enclosures, so I dont need to rely on feedburner or anything else to
catch them.  I only added the download links for completeness sake. 
Like I said, I'm not sure my script is too portable ... it relies on
the custom built system that is in place at DavidMeade.com.

But I like the way you've done yours, Andreas.  Maybe I'll revamp mine
someday to be more ... degrade-able  :-P

>It's exactly the attaching of an even on a
> normal link I was having trouble getting to work in IE. I only spent ten
> minutes on it so I'm sure it can be made to work in IE.

Mine seems to work on both IE and Firefox.

On 1/20/06, Andreas Haugstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:48:38 +0100, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > I do something like this one my site as well
> > (http://www.davidmeade.com) and I like the effect  ... I've got it
> > working with quicktime, windows media, and audio files.
>
> But you're using javascript: links, which is troublesome (doesn't degrade
> gracefully). Then you also have to create additional download links for
> Feedburner and other spiders. It's exactly the attaching of an even on a
> normal link I was having trouble getting to work in IE. I only spent ten
> minutes on it so I'm sure it can be made to work in IE.
>
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: using josh's pop up thing.

2006-01-20 Thread Andreas Haugstrup
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:48:38 +0100, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> I do something like this one my site as well
> (http://www.davidmeade.com) and I like the effect  ... I've got it
> working with quicktime, windows media, and audio files.

But you're using javascript: links, which is troublesome (doesn't degrade  
gracefully). Then you also have to create additional download links for  
Feedburner and other spiders. It's exactly the attaching of an even on a  
normal link I was having trouble getting to work in IE. I only spent ten  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: using josh's pop up thing.

2006-01-20 Thread Michael Sullivan



yeah, Andreas has the right approach herei also take a similar approach with same end result on vlogdir.com.example:http://vlogdir.com/permalink/594
when chris added the entry, he filled out a form to include an image and a video. the end result works as if the image were a quicktime poster movie, but its not.some of andreas' scripts caveats apply here, except the image can be any size (technically, but not setup that way on vlogdir) and it does work on Internet Explorer fine.  It also checks/detects for Quicktime plugin and displays message with link to download quicktime if user does not have it.
could be made into a plugin of course.  and yeah josh is correct about the popup blockers it has no effect if a user initiates the popup from clicking a link.also, though I am a fan of embedding video on pages (this includes popup window), i think it is poor practice to do so in any way that causes the video to download automatically on a page, even the media permalink page.  Especially in a blog page where people can submit comments... because often times after this is submitted the page reloads and the video starts to download again wasting bandwidth.  Yes, a little so-called Ajax scripting for the comments form would help here to but thats besides the point.  
even sites like blip.tv work like this.  either make the comments in a popup window like rocketboom (ever wonder why they do this?  now you know) or make the video in a popup or use _javascript_ as mentioned here and by andreas, or use a combination of an iframe and show/hide div layer to mimic the function of the popup window but embedded on page.
there are also some newer more interesting techniques i've been experimenting with but i wont get into that techbabble here.sullOn 1/20/06, 
Andreas Haugstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:02:55 +0100, Eddie Codel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Awesome script Josh. Thanks for that contribution to the vlogosphere.> I'm wondering if you or anyone else has basically done the same thing but
> embedded the video within the image area of the blog post. I see Steve> Garfield's vlog has exactly what I mean. To accomplish that, there is> some _javascript_ wrapped around what is displayed in the blog which then
> calls an external script to change it's contents. Hoping that might be> something that can be shared.I'm using that on my blog. You can get the _javascript_ at 
http://www.solitude.dk/img/video-link.js > and there's no documentation.Make a copy of that file, upload to your own server and link to it with

Re: [videoblogging] Re: using josh's pop up thing.

2006-01-20 Thread Michael Sullivan



yeah, nice job David.  I've noticed this before.  great example.  maybe ellaborate on how you use _javascript_ to achieve this... and if you could spent time making a wordpress plugin or something ??sull
On 1/20/06, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 1/20/06, Eddie Codel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Awesome script Josh. Thanks for that contribution to the vlogosphere.> I'm wondering if you or anyone else has basically done the same thing but
> embedded the video within the image area of the blog post. I see Steve> Garfield's vlog has exactly what I mean. To accomplish that, there is> some _javascript_ wrapped around what is displayed in the blog which then
> calls an external script to change it's contents. Hoping that might be> something that can be shared.>> The net benefit of this method is that a single page with multiple> blog entries could all have embedded videos, which would only activate
> upon clicking. And keeps the viewer on your page for easy commenting access.I do something like this one my site as well(http://www.davidmeade.com) and I like the effect  ... I've got it
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: using josh's pop up thing.

2006-01-20 Thread David Meade
On 1/20/06, Eddie Codel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Awesome script Josh. Thanks for that contribution to the vlogosphere.
> I'm wondering if you or anyone else has basically done the same thing but
> embedded the video within the image area of the blog post. I see Steve
> Garfield's vlog has exactly what I mean. To accomplish that, there is
> some javascript wrapped around what is displayed in the blog which then
> calls an external script to change it's contents. Hoping that might be
> something that can be shared.
>
> The net benefit of this method is that a single page with multiple
> blog entries could all have embedded videos, which would only activate
> upon clicking. And keeps the viewer on your page for easy commenting access.

I do something like this one my site as well
(http://www.davidmeade.com) and I like the effect  ... I've got it
working with quicktime, windows media, and audio files.

I dont think the script is really portable ... but I might be able to
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: using josh's pop up thing.

2006-01-20 Thread Andreas Haugstrup
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:02:55 +0100, Eddie Codel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Awesome script Josh. Thanks for that contribution to the vlogosphere.
> I'm wondering if you or anyone else has basically done the same thing but
> embedded the video within the image area of the blog post. I see Steve
> Garfield's vlog has exactly what I mean. To accomplish that, there is
> some javascript wrapped around what is displayed in the blog which then
> calls an external script to change it's contents. Hoping that might be
> something that can be shared.

I'm using that on my blog. You can get the javascript at http://www.solitude.dk/img/video-link.js > and there's no documentation.  
Make a copy of that file, upload to your own server and link to it with  
. Basically it  
searches for links of the format:



The first child of the link must be an image (to weed out false positives).

You can see it in effect on http://www.solitude.dk/archives/20051201-1610/ >

Problems with the current version:

  - Only works with Quicktime video
  - Image has to be the same size as the video
  - Quicktime player will be 320*240 regardless of your video size
  - Doesn't work in Internet Explorer, but degrades gracefully to a normal  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: using josh's pop up thing.

2006-01-20 Thread Eddie Codel
Awesome script Josh. Thanks for that contribution to the vlogosphere.
I'm wondering if you or anyone else has basically done the same thing but
embedded the video within the image area of the blog post. I see Steve
Garfield's vlog has exactly what I mean. To accomplish that, there is
some javascript wrapped around what is displayed in the blog which then
calls an external script to change it's contents. Hoping that might be
something that can be shared.

The net benefit of this method is that a single page with multiple 
blog entries could all have embedded videos, which would only activate
upon clicking. And keeps the viewer on your page for easy commenting access.

thanks,
-eddie

On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 10:59:52PM -0800, Joshua Kinberg wrote:
> Also, to point something out... the popup script I wrote still makes a
> direct link to the media file so that spiders and services like
> FeedBurner are still able to access the media.
> 
> Check the code. I wrote it for exactly this purpose... interoperability.
> It is not used as a tactic to "control" the media when used this way.
> There is nothing hidden.
> 
> -Josh
> 
> 
> On 1/19/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > NO, popup blockers do not block popups that you explicitly click to 
> > activate.
> > Popup blockers only block popups that launch on the page load, but not
> > upon clicking a link.
> >
> > -Josh
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> > > are linking to that page using a pop-off does not mean that Google or
> > > anyone else will.  It is a standalone page - a pop-off is an attempt
> > > to control use.
> > >
> > > Embedding a video into a normal "story" page works nicely.  What
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: using josh's pop up thing.

2006-01-19 Thread Joshua Kinberg
Also, to point something out... the popup script I wrote still makes a
direct link to the media file so that spiders and services like
FeedBurner are still able to access the media.

Check the code. I wrote it for exactly this purpose... interoperability.
It is not used as a tactic to "control" the media when used this way.
There is nothing hidden.

-Josh


On 1/19/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> NO, popup blockers do not block popups that you explicitly click to activate.
> Popup blockers only block popups that launch on the page load, but not
> upon clicking a link.
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> -Josh
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> On 1/19/06, LeanBackVids.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yes, pop-ups are no longer assumed reliable.  Firefox and Safari have
> > pop-up blockers built in and many Windows users have the Google
> > Toolbar installed.
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> > A better way is for each video to have its own page, along with
> > searchable words like a headline and description.  Just because you
> > are linking to that page using a pop-off does not mean that Google or
> > anyone else will.  It is a standalone page - a pop-off is an attempt
> > to control use.
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> > Embedding a video into a normal "story" page works nicely.  What
> > blogging software are you using?
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> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brett Gaylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
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> > > Will pop up blockers stop it?  The only reason (other than laziness) I
> > > haven't tried.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: using josh's pop up thing.

2006-01-19 Thread Joshua Kinberg
NO, popup blockers do not block popups that you explicitly click to activate.
Popup blockers only block popups that launch on the page load, but not
upon clicking a link.

-Josh


On 1/19/06, LeanBackVids.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, pop-ups are no longer assumed reliable.  Firefox and Safari have
> pop-up blockers built in and many Windows users have the Google
> Toolbar installed.
>
> A better way is for each video to have its own page, along with
> searchable words like a headline and description.  Just because you
> are linking to that page using a pop-off does not mean that Google or
> anyone else will.  It is a standalone page - a pop-off is an attempt
> to control use.
>
> Embedding a video into a normal "story" page works nicely.  What
> blogging software are you using?
>
> -Matt
> ---
> http://vlogmap.org
> http://leanbackvids.com
> http://ridertech.com
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brett Gaylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Will pop up blockers stop it?  The only reason (other than laziness) I
> > haven't tried.
> >
> > ---
> > Brett Gaylor
> > http://www.etherworks.ca
> > http://www.homelessnation.org
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