Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
I should clarify that I have two monitors so that makes a difference. On 10/10/05, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is probably the only type of pop-up I don't mind. It allows me to do other stuff while the clip is playing. Saves me from opening in a new tab or window. On 10/11/05, aroundtheperimeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you vlog has its video pop up in a new window, is it annoying? -- ~Devlon http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://whiteguyforeignfoods.blogspot.com http://devlon.blogspot.com -- ~Devlon http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://whiteguyforeignfoods.blogspot.com http://devlon.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
I'm making all mine open in QuickTime Player so the viewer has total control over how they watch it - including screen size. That way it can scale to full screen if they like without having to report to zoom in. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Webcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Oct 10, 2005, at 10:51 PM, Devlon wrote: That is probably the only type of pop-up I don't mind. It allows me to do other stuff while the clip is playing. Saves me from opening in a new tab or window. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
Man! Don't you just hate it when people center things, like pop-ups, and don't take into account people with dual screens? Devlon wrote: I should clarify that I have two monitors so that makes a difference. On 10/10/05, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is probably the only type of pop-up I don't mind. It allows me to do other stuff while the clip is playing. Saves me from opening in a new tab or window. On 10/11/05, aroundtheperimeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you vlog has its video pop up in a new window, is it annoying? -- ~Devlon http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://whiteguyforeignfoods.blogspot.com http://devlon.blogspot.com -- ~Devlon http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://whiteguyforeignfoods.blogspot.com http://devlon.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
i like it when the video stays in the browser window.I don't like the way Taylor does his popups (the actual quicktime app) and unless there is a good reason for having a popup (like freevlog) then i say don't do it. Ideally, all videos would be transcoded and embedded right in the page like steve garfields...but not all of us are vblog central members, and not all of us can do that...so i say let it play int he browser window that is already openOn 10/11/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man! Don't you just hate it when people center things, like pop-ups, and don't take into account people with dual screens? Devlon wrote: I should clarify that I have two monitors so that makes a difference.On 10/10/05, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is probably the only type of pop-up I don't mind. It allows me to doother stuff while the clip is playing. Saves me from opening in a new tabor window. On 10/11/05, aroundtheperimeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you vlog has its video pop up in a new window, is it annoying? --~Devlonhttp://8bitme.blogspot.com http://whiteguyforeignfoods.blogspot.comhttp://devlon.blogspot.com --~Devlonhttp://8bitme.blogspot.com http://whiteguyforeignfoods.blogspot.com http://devlon.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.orghttp://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.orghttp://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED]msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]skype: msandyspin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Josh Leojoshleo.comstonefarm.blogspot.com joshspicks.blogspot.comwearethemedia.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
Kunga wrote: I'm making all mine open in QuickTime Player so the viewer has total control over how they watch it - including screen size. That way it can scale to full screen if they like without having to report to zoom in. So you are giving them 'total control over how they watch it' while forcing them to use QuickTime Player? There's an old usability suggestion on the web that goes something do what all the other sites are doing which is one way of suggesting that people are used to the way *other sites work* so even if you think you're being unique, or better, or innovative, if the usability is affected negatively, it may not be the best idea. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
of course it is best to provide all options to audience, since opinions differ, as we see here. whenever possible, we should try to cater to all preferences.On 10/11/05, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i like it when the video stays in the browser window.I don't like the way Taylor does his popups (the actual quicktime app) and unless there is a good reason for having a popup (like freevlog) then i say don't do it. Ideally, all videos would be transcoded and embedded right in the page like steve garfields...but not all of us are vblog central members, and not all of us can do that...so i say let it play int he browser window that is already openOn 10/11/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man! Don't you just hate it when people center things, like pop-ups, and don't take into account people with dual screens? Devlon wrote: I should clarify that I have two monitors so that makes a difference.On 10/10/05, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is probably the only type of pop-up I don't mind. It allows me to doother stuff while the clip is playing. Saves me from opening in a new tabor window. On 10/11/05, aroundtheperimeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you vlog has its video pop up in a new window, is it annoying? --~Devlonhttp://8bitme.blogspot.com http://whiteguyforeignfoods.blogspot.comhttp://devlon.blogspot.com --~Devlonhttp://8bitme.blogspot.com http://whiteguyforeignfoods.blogspot.comhttp://devlon.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.orghttp://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.orghttp://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED]msn: of course its best to provide all options to [EMAIL PROTECTED]skype: msandyspin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Josh Leojoshleo.com stonefarm.blogspot.com joshspicks.blogspot.comwearethemedia.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 04:38 +, aroundtheperimeter wrote: If you vlog has its video pop up in a new window, is it annoying? If it pops up in response to the user clicking on something, I think thats fine. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
Michael Sullivan wrote: of course it is best to provide all options to audience, since opinions differ, as we see here. whenever possible, we should try to cater to all preferences. Agreed. In fact, I'd push it further and suggest you always give the user/viewer the option to do what *they* want to do. For instance, there is no need to force a link to open in a new window (or tab) since most graphical browsers have had this feature built in for the last 5 years. Let the user decide. Happy users are a good thing. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
Justin Chapweske wrote: On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 04:38 +, aroundtheperimeter wrote: If you vlog has its video pop up in a new window, is it annoying? If it pops up in response to the user clicking on something, I think thats fine. It's only annoying if it happened and I did not specifically choose to make it happen. Give me the choice. My browser has been able to do this with any link for the last 5 years. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
Actually, a pop-up window with an embedded player is quite useful. Most people on the web are using MIcrosoft Internet Explorer (unfortunately), and IE disables Quicktime Fast-Start playback unless the video is properly embedded using both the HTML Object and Embed tags. Simply linking to your videos, as many of us do, leaves IE users waiting for whole video to download before it will begin to play. Here's one solution... I was playing around with this a while back: http://www.joshkinberg.com/blog/popup.php?url=http://joshkinberg.com/blog/files/tornado.mov Its a simple PHP page that you can pass in the URL of a video file and it will properly embed that video. This way, you don't have to make a new HTML page for every video pop-up window. You use the same page and simply pass in the URL to the video you wish to display. This could also be modified to handle various video types (like WMV). Lastly, I also added controls to resize the video and window (which might seem annoying to some of you, but hey just playing around here). My idea was to finish this off and pass it to OurMedia so that people could have a place to load up their video in a pop-up if they wished this is not easy to do if you're on Blogger and have no where to upload HTML or PHP files. But... I got sidetracked with other things and never finished this off. Not even sure if other people would find it useful. What do you think? -josh On 10/11/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of course it is best to provide all options to audience, since opinions differ, as we see here. whenever possible, we should try to cater to all preferences. On 10/11/05, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i like it when the video stays in the browser window.I don't like the way Taylor does his popups (the actual quicktime app) and unless there is a good reason for having a popup (like freevlog) then i say don't do it. Ideally, all videos would be transcoded and embedded right in the page like steve garfields...but not all of us are vblog central members, and not all of us can do that...so i say let it play int he browser window that is already open On 10/11/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man! Don't you just hate it when people center things, like pop-ups, and don't take into account people with dual screens? Devlon wrote: I should clarify that I have two monitors so that makes a difference. On 10/10/05, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is probably the only type of pop-up I don't mind. It allows me to do other stuff while the clip is playing. Saves me from opening in a new tab or window. On 10/11/05, aroundtheperimeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you vlog has its video pop up in a new window, is it annoying? -- ~Devlon http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://whiteguyforeignfoods.blogspot.com http://devlon.blogspot.com -- ~Devlon http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://whiteguyforeignfoods.blogspot.com http://devlon.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: of course its best to provide all options to [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Josh Leo joshleo.com stonefarm.blogspot.com joshspicks.blogspot.com wearethemedia.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED
Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
thanks, josh. it closed the Safari browser i was working in containing other tabs i was using. nice one. cheers r -- URL: http://r.24x7.com Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively On Oct 11, 2005, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Actually, a pop-up window with an embedded player is quite useful. Most people on the web are using MIcrosoft Internet Explorer (unfortunately), and IE disables Quicktime Fast-Start playback unless the video is properly embedded using both the HTML Object and Embed tags. Simply linking to your videos, as many of us do, leaves IE users waiting for whole video to download before it will begin to play. Here's one solution... I was playing around with this a while back: http://www.joshkinberg.com/blog/popup.php?url=http://joshkinberg.com/ blog/files/tornado.mov Its a simple PHP page that you can pass in the URL of a video file and it will properly embed that video. This way, you don't have to make a new HTML page for every video pop-up window. You use the same page and simply pass in the URL to the video you wish to display. This could also be modified to handle various video types (like WMV). Lastly, I also added controls to resize the video and window (which might seem annoying to some of you, but hey just playing around here). My idea was to finish this off and pass it to OurMedia so that people could have a place to load up their video in a pop-up if they wished this is not easy to do if you're on Blogger and have no where to upload HTML or PHP files. But... I got sidetracked with other things and never finished this off. Not even sure if other people would find it useful. What do you think? -josh On 10/11/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of course it is best to provide all options to audience, since opinions differ, as we see here. whenever possible, we should try to cater to all preferences. On 10/11/05, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i like it when the video stays in the browser window.I don't like the way Taylor does his popups (the actual quicktime app) and unless there is a good reason for having a popup (like freevlog) then i say don't do it. Ideally, all videos would be transcoded and embedded right in the page like steve garfields...but not all of us are vblog central members, and not all of us can do that...so i say let it play int he browser window that is already open On 10/11/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man! Don't you just hate it when people center things, like pop-ups, and don't take into account people with dual screens? Devlon wrote: I should clarify that I have two monitors so that makes a difference. On 10/10/05, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is probably the only type of pop-up I don't mind. It allows me to do other stuff while the clip is playing. Saves me from opening in a new tab or window. On 10/11/05, aroundtheperimeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you vlog has its video pop up in a new window, is it annoying? -- ~Devlon http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://whiteguyforeignfoods.blogspot.com http://devlon.blogspot.com -- ~Devlon http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://whiteguyforeignfoods.blogspot.com http://devlon.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: of course its best to provide all options to [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Josh Leo joshleo.com stonefarm.blogspot.com joshspicks.blogspot.com wearethemedia.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again
Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
On Oct 11, 2005, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Actually, a pop-up window with an embedded player is quite useful. Most people on the web are using MIcrosoft Internet Explorer (unfortunately), and IE disables Quicktime Fast-Start playback unless the video is properly embedded using both the HTML Object and Embed tags. Simply linking to your videos, as many of us do, leaves IE users waiting for whole video to download before it will begin to play. This is the part where I am thankful that I can choose not to implement a bunch of silly workaround to make IE behave. I'll choose to just ignore IE bugs/features with my videoblog. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
David Meade wrote: (And to whoever said the webs whole point was to let the user decide how to see information ... thats not really true. Some of us believe in user-centered design. HTML has never let the user dictate how it's parsed. Note that HTML is a markup language. It is up to the client to determine what to do with it, how to display it, etc. I can tell my browser to ignore CSS, or use the colors or fonts I prefer. Ever hear of Greasemonkey? If you think you have any control over what the user can do to transform the HTML you create before they see it, you are completely wrong. The web is meant to easily interconnect sets of data and let the user decide how to travese it ... And let the user decide how to view it, and use it... but it's also meant to allow content publishers to easily make that data available in a manner *they the publisher* choose. Go ahead. Just know that you have no control over how it can be transformed or displayed. I've been telling print designers this for almost 10 years now. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
This is the part where I am thankful that I can choose not to implement a bunch of silly workaround to make IE behave. I'll choose to just ignore IE bugs/features with my videoblog. I agree with you, and I wish IE didn't have retarded problems like this. But it does and about 80% of people on the web are using IE -- so unfortunately, it matters. -josh On 10/11/05, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 11, 2005, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Actually, a pop-up window with an embedded player is quite useful. Most people on the web are using MIcrosoft Internet Explorer (unfortunately), and IE disables Quicktime Fast-Start playback unless the video is properly embedded using both the HTML Object and Embed tags. Simply linking to your videos, as many of us do, leaves IE users waiting for whole video to download before it will begin to play. This is the part where I am thankful that I can choose not to implement a bunch of silly workaround to make IE behave. I'll choose to just ignore IE bugs/features with my videoblog. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
On 10/11/05, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of us believe in user-centered design. As do I. My point was that we dont get to say users perfer this because I do. I'm using a new window for my videos because my experience with USERS is that that is what they prefer. I have a small audience - maybe its just them, but my only point was that you may hate pop-ups you may love thembut the all the other users out there are a different thing. If you think you have any control over what the user cando to transform the HTML you create before they see it, you are completely wrong. I dont recall saying I could. But I can define the default experience that is DavidMeade.com. Using the mark up languages DEFINED to do just that. All we as publishers can do is provide what our feedback is telling us is the most intuitive design for a feature. On my site, thats using a pop-up for the media player. HTML/CSS/JS/DHTML are designed to give publishers the mark up tools to do that. They exist to let publishers do that. If users want to override that ... fine what do I care? The web is meant to easily interconnect sets of data and let the user decide how to travese it ... And let the user decide how to view it, and use it... Use it yes. View it ... I still disagree. XML/RSS do that - thats raw data. HTML etc is MARK UP language ... its very use MARKS UP data to be displayed in a certain way (bullet lists, bolds, etc). There are certainly tools and user options and programs which can override that, but web site designers dont provide pure data ... they MARK IT UP. but it's also meant to allow content publishers to easily make that data available in a manner *they the publisher* choose.Go ahead. Just know that you have no control over how it can betransformed or displayed. I've been telling print designers this foralmost 10 years now. I wouldnt dream of trying to prevent it from being TRANSFORMED. But I CAN mark it up as I the publisher chose...I'm the one writing the marked up page. I actually dont care how they display it, thats why I allow my content to be retrieved as pure data in xml. - Dave http://www.davidmeade.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
Josh, yeah, i was totally doing this too. actually, this is how popups are handled on vlogdir.com. it takes the url of the media, figures out the media type, loads a preload page based on that media type and clicking it will load the media using correct embedded media player. The preload page is not necessary but I chose to use it so users see the media type and can decide to play it and maybe avoid some browser problems that can occur if media loads immediately in popups. i had tossed around the idea of making this a service for bloggers but there eas some resitance to the fact that it relies on my server to work and if my server is down or lagging, then it will effect everyones blogs. but it was definately one of the models i was thinking about and of course if you wanted to add revenue, you stick text ads and video ads in there etc... I might still do this one day but would need to have a very dependable server it can be a lot of responsiblility :-/ i also suggested this approach to ourmedia initially because i think they can save bandwidth by not making the media download upon accessing a media permalink page. better to let the user decide after that page loads... whether embedded or popup. what is on ourmedia now i did and enhancements were to come later... then i got sidetracked on my own projects, like you ;-) i should get back in the ourmedia loop. they could use some help. I dig the player resizer script mind if I steal that? cheers- sull On 10/11/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, a pop-up window with an embedded player is quite useful.Most people on the web are using MIcrosoft Internet Explorer(unfortunately), and IE disables Quicktime Fast-Start playback unlessthe video is properly embedded using both the HTML Object and Embed tags. Simply linking to your videos, as many of us do, leaves IE userswaiting for whole video to download before it will begin to play.Here's one solution... I was playing around with this a while back: http://www.joshkinberg.com/blog/popup.php?url="">Its a simple PHP page that you can pass in the URL of a video file and it will properly embed that video. This way, you don't have to make anew HTML page for every video pop-up window. You use the same page andsimply pass in the URL to the video you wish to display.This could also be modified to handle various video types (like WMV). Lastly, I also added controls to resize the video and window (whichmight seem annoying to some of you, but hey just playing around here).My idea was to finish this off and pass it to OurMedia so that people could have a place to load up their video in a pop-up if theywished this is not easy to do if you're on Blogger and have nowhere to upload HTML or PHP files. But... I got sidetracked with otherthings and never finished this off. Not even sure if other people would find it useful. What do you think?-joshOn 10/11/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:of course it is best to provide all options to audience, since opinions differ, as we see here. whenever possible, we should try to cater to all preferences. On 10/11/05, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i like it when the video stays in the browser window.I don't like the way Taylor does his popups (the actual quicktime app) and unless there is a good reason for having a popup (like freevlog) then i say don't do it. Ideally, all videos would be transcoded and embedded right in the page like steve garfields...but not all of us are vblog central members, and not all of us can do that...so i say let it play int he browser window that is already open On 10/11/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man!Don't you just hate it when people center things, like pop-ups, and don't take into account people with dual screens? Devlon wrote:I should clarify that I have two monitors so that makes a difference. On 10/10/05, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: That is probably the only type of pop-up I don't mind.It allows me to do other stuff while the clip is playing.Saves me from opening in a new tab or window. On 10/11/05, aroundtheperimeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you vlog has its video pop up in a new window, is it annoying?-- ~Devlon http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://whiteguyforeignfoods.blogspot.com http://devlon.blogspot.com -- ~Devlon http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://whiteguyforeignfoods.blogspot.com http://devlon.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: of
Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
Joshua Kinberg wrote: This is the part where I am thankful that I can choose not to implement a bunch of silly workaround to make IE behave. I'll choose to just ignore IE bugs/features with my videoblog. I agree with you, and I wish IE didn't have retarded problems like this. But it does and about 80% of people on the web are using IE -- so unfortunately, it matters. What I was suggesting was, it does not matter to me enough to do something about it. My videoblog is not a revenue generating site, and if the users of my videblogging site suffer when using IE, I hope they will get a better browser. Obviously this opinion cannot easily be applied to every site, but for this one, it is. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
David Meade wrote: On 10/11/05, Pete Prodoehl wrote: Some of us believe in user-centered design. As do I. My point was that we dont get to say users perfer this because I do. I'm using a new window for my videos because my experience with USERS is that that is what they prefer. I have a small audience - maybe its just them, but my only point was that you may hate pop-ups you may love them but the all the other users out there are a different thing. Ok, I do see your point. I suppose I tend to assume that users less knowledgeable than myself would prefer choice. I should remember that this is not always the case. I too am a user of course, so when I say what a user prefers I am also speaking about myself as a user. And let the user decide how to view it, and use it... Use it yes. View it ... I still disagree. XML/RSS do that - thats raw data. HTML etc is MARK UP language ... its very use MARKS UP data to be displayed in a certain way (bullet lists, bolds, etc). There are certainly tools and user options and programs which can override that, but web site designers dont provide pure data ... they MARK IT UP. On my Palm device there are no fonts that would be described as *bold* so anything html marked with b or strong is italicized. Likewise when I view web site with Lynx there are specific limitations as to how things can be displayed. Same with my phone. So while people might think that strong means the font is displayed using a bold face, what it *semantically* means is different. The fact that most browsers display strong as bold text by default means nothing really, hence CSS... Go ahead. Just know that you have no control over how it can be transformed or displayed. I've been telling print designers this for almost 10 years now. I wouldnt dream of trying to prevent it from being TRANSFORMED. But I CAN mark it up as I the publisher chose...I'm the one writing the marked up page. I actually dont care how they display it, thats why I allow my content to be retrieved as pure data in xml. Yay! ;) Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
Michael Sullivan wrote: i had tossed around the idea of making this a service for bloggers but there was some resitance to the fact that it relies on my server to work and if my server is down or lagging, then it will effect everyones blogs. So if not a service, what about releasing the code, or writing up some docs on exactly how to do it? I dig the player resizer script mind if I steal that? Steal it? You mean a license wasn't properly applied to it telling you exactly what you can do with it? ;) Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
I built a popup link generator: http://joshkinberg.com/popupmaker/ I also amended my popup code so the window itself doesn't resize -- instead the launching link handles the size of the window. This isn't perfect obviously... it would be nice to have more sizing controls. Right now the video size is just hard coded at 320x240. The code also generates a fixed size window, but you could always edit the code. Anyhow, take it for a spin and let me know what you think this should also handle WMV, but I haven't tested.. if anything the sizing with WMV could be a little weird. Anyone who want's may feel free to steal this code, or write me off list and I'll send the code to you. -josh On 10/11/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh, yeah, i was totally doing this too. actually, this is how popups are handled on vlogdir.com. it takes the url of the media, figures out the media type, loads a preload page based on that media type and clicking it will load the media using correct embedded media player. The preload page is not necessary but I chose to use it so users see the media type and can decide to play it and maybe avoid some browser problems that can occur if media loads immediately in popups. i had tossed around the idea of making this a service for bloggers but there eas some resitance to the fact that it relies on my server to work and if my server is down or lagging, then it will effect everyones blogs. but it was definately one of the models i was thinking about and of course if you wanted to add revenue, you stick text ads and video ads in there etc... I might still do this one day but would need to have a very dependable server it can be a lot of responsiblility :-/ i also suggested this approach to ourmedia initially because i think they can save bandwidth by not making the media download upon accessing a media permalink page. better to let the user decide after that page loads... whether embedded or popup. what is on ourmedia now i did and enhancements were to come later... then i got sidetracked on my own projects, like you ;-) i should get back in the ourmedia loop. they could use some help. I dig the player resizer script mind if I steal that? cheers- sull On 10/11/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, a pop-up window with an embedded player is quite useful. Most people on the web are using MIcrosoft Internet Explorer (unfortunately), and IE disables Quicktime Fast-Start playback unless the video is properly embedded using both the HTML Object and Embed tags. Simply linking to your videos, as many of us do, leaves IE users waiting for whole video to download before it will begin to play. Here's one solution... I was playing around with this a while back: http://www.joshkinberg.com/blog/popup.php?url=http://joshkinberg.com/blog/files/tornado.mov Its a simple PHP page that you can pass in the URL of a video file and it will properly embed that video. This way, you don't have to make a new HTML page for every video pop-up window. You use the same page and simply pass in the URL to the video you wish to display. This could also be modified to handle various video types (like WMV). Lastly, I also added controls to resize the video and window (which might seem annoying to some of you, but hey just playing around here). My idea was to finish this off and pass it to OurMedia so that people could have a place to load up their video in a pop-up if they wished this is not easy to do if you're on Blogger and have no where to upload HTML or PHP files. But... I got sidetracked with other things and never finished this off. Not even sure if other people would find it useful. What do you think? -josh On 10/11/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of course it is best to provide all options to audience, since opinions differ, as we see here. whenever possible, we should try to cater to all preferences. On 10/11/05, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i like it when the video stays in the browser window.I don't like the way Taylor does his popups (the actual quicktime app) and unless there is a good reason for having a popup (like freevlog) then i say don't do it. Ideally, all videos would be transcoded and embedded right in the page like steve garfields...but not all of us are vblog central members, and not all of us can do that...so i say let it play int he browser window that is already open On 10/11/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man! Don't you just hate it when people center things, like pop-ups, and don't take into account people with dual screens? Devlon wrote: I should clarify that I have two monitors so that makes a difference. On 10/10/05, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
yeah, i was totally doing this too. actually, this is how popups are handled on vlogdir.com. it takes the url of the media, figures out the media type, loads a preload page based on that media type and clicking it will load the media using correct embedded media player. The preload page is not necessary but I chose to use it so users see the media type and can decide to play it and maybe avoid some browser problems that can occur if media loads immediately in popups. Yep, same concept. Don't know if the preloader page is necessary... i just want to watch videos. Clicking bothers me. If the page embeds media types properly then I have nothing to worry about. You could also do plugin detection if you want. That would be better than the preloader page IMHO. i had tossed around the idea of making this a service for bloggers but there eas some resitance to the fact that it relies on my server to work and if my server is down or lagging, then it will effect everyones blogs. Well, that could be in the terms of service. Nobody is perfect... and if its free people seem to be willing to put up with things like that... look at OurMedia. Of course, that wouldn't be useful for a professional level of service. but it was definately one of the models i was thinking about and of course if you wanted to add revenue, you stick text ads and video ads in there etc... I don't know about that. If I were to offer this as a real service, I'd just let it be free without the ads and such. I was going to offer this code to OurMedia just so they could possibly put some of their branding on that popup window. I think it would be useful for blogger users... maybe for MySpace kiddies... dunno. People like to cut-paste code on those kinds of sites. I might still do this one day but would need to have a very dependable server it can be a lot of responsiblility :-/ Not that much responsibility since you aren't hosting the media files. How much of a bandwidth drain could it be? i also suggested this approach to ourmedia initially because i think they can save bandwidth by not making the media download upon accessing a media permalink page. better to let the user decide after that page loads... whether embedded or popup. Yes, this would be good for OurMedia to consider. I dig the player resizer script mind if I steal that? g'head and take it. Make it better. Its pretty simplistic. -josh cheers- sull On 10/11/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, a pop-up window with an embedded player is quite useful. Most people on the web are using MIcrosoft Internet Explorer (unfortunately), and IE disables Quicktime Fast-Start playback unless the video is properly embedded using both the HTML Object and Embed tags. Simply linking to your videos, as many of us do, leaves IE users waiting for whole video to download before it will begin to play. Here's one solution... I was playing around with this a while back: http://www.joshkinberg.com/blog/popup.php?url=http://joshkinberg.com/blog/files/tornado.mov Its a simple PHP page that you can pass in the URL of a video file and it will properly embed that video. This way, you don't have to make a new HTML page for every video pop-up window. You use the same page and simply pass in the URL to the video you wish to display. This could also be modified to handle various video types (like WMV). Lastly, I also added controls to resize the video and window (which might seem annoying to some of you, but hey just playing around here). My idea was to finish this off and pass it to OurMedia so that people could have a place to load up their video in a pop-up if they wished this is not easy to do if you're on Blogger and have no where to upload HTML or PHP files. But... I got sidetracked with other things and never finished this off. Not even sure if other people would find it useful. What do you think? -josh On 10/11/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of course it is best to provide all options to audience, since opinions differ, as we see here. whenever possible, we should try to cater to all preferences. On 10/11/05, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i like it when the video stays in the browser window.I don't like the way Taylor does his popups (the actual quicktime app) and unless there is a good reason for having a popup (like freevlog) then i say don't do it. Ideally, all videos would be transcoded and embedded right in the page like steve garfields...but not all of us are vblog central members, and not all of us can do that...so i say let it play int he browser window that is already open On 10/11/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man! Don't you just hate it when people center things, like pop-ups, and don't take into account people with
Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
Joshua Kinberg wrote: I built a popup link generator: http://joshkinberg.com/popupmaker/ Awesome! One suggestion: change 'onClick' to 'onclick' so it will be valid as HTML or XHTML... Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Awesome! One suggestion: change 'onClick' to 'onclick' so it will be valid as HTML or XHTML... done. -josh Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
i like it if it is a size controlled window with embedded player, and its helpful if it places itself in top left of screen. i am doing this for video playlists on vlogdir.com its nice because i can watch an entire rss video feed and still browse the web in main window or whatever. sullOn 10/11/05, aroundtheperimeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you vlog has its video pop up in a new window, is it annoying? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
That is probably the only type of pop-up I don't mind. It allows me to do other stuff while the clip is playing. Saves me from opening in a new tab or window.On 10/11/05, aroundtheperimeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you vlog has its video pop up in a new window, is it annoying?-- ~Devlonhttp://8bitme.blogspot.com http://whiteguyforeignfoods.blogspot.comhttp://devlon.blogspot.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
