[VIHUELA] Re: Diesel
Stuart, There appears to be no contemporaneous evidence of precisely how Diesel strung his guitar. From consideration of the music, voice leading, period of composition etc, I believe Diesel used a mandora like stringing - ie octaves on the fourth and fifths but with the low bass on the thumb side (ie not as earlier forms of 5 course guitar where the lowest string of the fourth (and sometimes fifth) course is the upper octave.). Some further justification for this arrangement of basses is given by a slightly earlier MS CZ -Brn MsD189 (c. 1730) which gives the tuning for the Callezono (gallichon aka mandora) and contains music for viola da gamba (I think) in staff notation and later (f.48) a page headed 'Fundamenta Chytarra' and on its reverse a tuning table headed ' Accordo Chytarra et Mandora'. Much of the music is for 5 course with just the occasional sixth course tuned just a tone lower than the fifth (ie as also used by Scheidler for his guitar sonatas at the end of the century and for much mandora music) regards Martyn Thanks Martyn. That's what I thought. I like to set up my guitar like this every so often. It sound very different! Stuart __ From: WALSH STUARTTo: Eduard Agullo ; Vihuela List Sent: Thursday, 13 October 2016, 11:46 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Diesel >The Royal Library of Copenhagen has made available finally this little >known repertoire: > > [1][1]http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.h tml > >[2]En Samling Tabulaturer for Guitar, mest af Nathanael ... >www.kb.dk >En Samling Tabulaturer for Guitar, mest af Nathanael Diesel (GKS 377 >folio) > >Let us hope that Diesel will be more appreciated and performed now ! > >Eduard V. Agullà ³ Lots of music! (But not guitar music in 5 and 6). What is the most likely stringing arrangement for this guitar music? Low A? Stuart > >-- > > References > >1. [2]http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html >2. [3]http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. [5]https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- References 1. http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html 2. http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html 3. http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
[VIHUELA] Re: Diesel
Stuart, There appears to be no contemporaneous evidence of precisely how Diesel strung his guitar. From consideration of the music, voice leading, period of composition etc, I believe Diesel used a mandora like stringing - ie octaves on the fourth and fifths but with the low bass on the thumb side (ie not as earlier forms of 5 course guitar where the lowest string of the fourth (and sometimes fifth) course is the upper octave.). Some further justification for this arrangement of basses is given by a slightly earlier MS CZ -Brn MsD189 (c. 1730) which gives the tuning for the Callezono (gallichon aka mandora) and contains music for viola da gamba (I think) in staff notation and later (f.48) a page headed 'Fundamenta Chytarra' and on its reverse a tuning table headed ' Accordo Chytarra et Mandora'. Much of the music is for 5 course with just the occasional sixth course tuned just a tone lower than the fifth (ie as also used by Scheidler for his guitar sonatas at the end of the century and for much mandora music) regards Martyn __ From: WALSH STUARTTo: Eduard Agullo ; Vihuela List Sent: Thursday, 13 October 2016, 11:46 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Diesel >The Royal Library of Copenhagen has made available finally this little >known repertoire: > > [1][1]http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.h tml > >[2]En Samling Tabulaturer for Guitar, mest af Nathanael ... >www.kb.dk >En Samling Tabulaturer for Guitar, mest af Nathanael Diesel (GKS 377 >folio) > >Let us hope that Diesel will be more appreciated and performed now ! > >Eduard V. Agullà ³ Lots of music! (But not guitar music in 5 and 6). What is the most likely stringing arrangement for this guitar music? Low A? Stuart > >-- > > References > >1. [2]http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html >2. [3]http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. [5]https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- References 1. http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html 2. http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html 3. http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
[VIHUELA] Re: Diesel
The Royal Library of Copenhagen has made available finally this little known repertoire: [1]http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html [2]En Samling Tabulaturer for Guitar, mest af Nathanael ... www.kb.dk En Samling Tabulaturer for Guitar, mest af Nathanael Diesel (GKS 377 folio) Let us hope that Diesel will be more appreciated and performed now ! Eduard V. Agulló Lots of music! (But not guitar music in 5 and 6). What is the most likely stringing arrangement for this guitar music? Low A? Stuart -- References 1. http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html 2. http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
[VIHUELA] Re: Diesel
Sorry, I sent you the full search link - here is the direct link [1]Prinsesse Charlotte Amalies nodesamling Prinsesse Charlotte Amalies nodesamling Martyn - Forwarded Message - From: Martyn HodgsonTo: Eduard Agullo ; Vihuela List Sent: Thursday, 13 October 2016, 10:00 Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Diesel Dear Eduard, Thanks for this: my ancient photocopies (half size!) have become increasingly difficult to read so this is welcome. A useful summary of these books was presented by David Lyons' paper in the 1975 JLSA ' Nathanael Diesel, guitar tutor to a royal lady'. The lady being his pupil Princess Charlotte Amalie of Denmark. There are duplicates of some pieces in the various books but I'm unaware of a complete list of concordances etc. Lyons did helpfully summarise the contents of each book - GKS 377 (20 books) and NKS 110 (14 books). But he seemed unaware of GKS 1879 - the paper by Kristian Buhl-Mortensen 'Princess Charlotte Amalie's Music Collection' describes some of this as well as the other MSs. Link here [2]https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Buhl-Moprtensen+Princess+Charlotte =1C1AOHY_enGB708GB708=Buhl-Moprtensen+Princess+Charlotte=chr ome..69i57.28642j0j7=chrome=UTF-8#q=Kristian+Buhl-Mortensen +Princess+Charlotte+Amalie%27s+Music+Collection+ Martyn. __ From: Eduard Agullo To: Vihuela List Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2016, 19:06 Subject: [VIHUELA] Diesel The Royal Library of Copenhagen has made available finally this little known repertoire: [1][3]http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.h tml [2]En Samling Tabulaturer for Guitar, mest af Nathanael ... www.kb.dk En Samling Tabulaturer for Guitar, mest af Nathanael Diesel (GKS 377 folio) Let us hope that Diesel will be more appreciated and performed now ! Eduard V. Agulló -- References 1. [4]http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html 2. [5]http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References Visible links 1. http://buhl-mortensen.dk/fibiger.html 2. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Buhl-Moprtensen+Princess+Charlotte=1C1AOHY_enGB708GB708=Buhl-Moprtensen+Princess+Charlotte=chrome..69i57.28642j0j7=chrome=UTF-8#q=Kristian+Buhl-Mortensen+Princess+Charlotte+Amalie's+Music+Collection+ 3. http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html 4. http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html 5. http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Hidden links: 8. http://buhl-mortensen.dk/fibiger.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Diesel
Dear Eduard, Thanks for this: my ancient photocopies (half size!) have become increasingly difficult to read so this is welcome. A useful summary of these books was presented by David Lyons' paper in the 1975 JLSA ' Nathanael Diesel, guitar tutor to a royal lady'. The lady being his pupil Princess Charlotte Amalie of Denmark. There are duplicates of some pieces in the various books but I'm unaware of a complete list of concordances etc. Lyons did helpfully summarise the contents of each book - GKS 377 (20 books) and NKS 110 (14 books). But he seemed unaware of GKS 1879 - the paper by Kristian Buhl-Mortensen 'Princess Charlotte Amalie's Music Collection' describes some of this as well as the other MSs. Link here [1]https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Buhl-Moprtensen+Princess+Charlotte =1C1AOHY_enGB708GB708=Buhl-Moprtensen+Princess+Charlotte=chr ome..69i57.28642j0j7=chrome=UTF-8#q=Kristian+Buhl-Mortensen +Princess+Charlotte+Amalie%27s+Music+Collection+ Martyn. __ From: Eduard AgulloTo: Vihuela List Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2016, 19:06 Subject: [VIHUELA] Diesel The Royal Library of Copenhagen has made available finally this little known repertoire: [1][2]http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.h tml [2]En Samling Tabulaturer for Guitar, mest af Nathanael ... www.kb.dk En Samling Tabulaturer for Guitar, mest af Nathanael Diesel (GKS 377 folio) Let us hope that Diesel will be more appreciated and performed now ! Eduard V. Agulló -- References 1. [3]http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html 2. [4]http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Buhl-Moprtensen+Princess+Charlotte=1C1AOHY_enGB708GB708=Buhl-Moprtensen+Princess+Charlotte=chrome..69i57.28642j0j7=chrome=UTF-8#q=Kristian+Buhl-Mortensen+Princess+Charlotte+Amalie's+Music+Collection+ 2. http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html 3. http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html 4. http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html