[VIHUELA] Re: German translations

2018-04-23 Thread mjlh...@cs.dartmouth.edu 
Thank you for your reply.  I wondered about this. I came across the 
information in a roundabout way. It is referred to in the introduction 
to the Tree Edition of guitar pieces by Losy edited by Michael Treder. 
He says about it 

Der Gitarrenunterricht, den Kaiser Leopold I noch als der jung 
Erzherzog in der Zeit zwischen November 1648 – July 1649 in Wien durch 
Francesco Corbetta (ca. 1615-1681) erheilt.

His source of reference is an article by Paul Nettl in Studien zur 
Musikwissenschaft (1929) which just gives the entry in the accounts.

With my very imperfect knowledge of German I couldn't make out any 
reference to Corbetta teaching rather than just giving a performance - 
which is why I sought some expert advice. Leopold I would have been 8 
years old at the time. I wonder if there is any other reference to him 
playing the guitar. 

Any more information or alternative translations would be very helpful.

thank you

Monica



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From: pe...@crispu.com
Date: 23/04/2018 13:16 
To: "mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk", "heiman.daniel@juno.
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Subj: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: German translations

> on account (honor) of the instruction in guitar playing given

I wonder if that is correct though. 

Would " umbwillen er vor beeden Khönigli Persohnen auf der Kittara 
gespielt" not be "while he played for (both?) royals on the guitar"?

Regards
Peter

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Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: German translations

Thank you very much for your help.  I thought the spelling might be odd 
because I couldn't find some of the words in the dictionary. Nor could 
Google translate.

Best wishes
Monica

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From: heiman.dan...@juno.com
Date: 23/04/2018 12:34
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Monica:

This is an entry in the court financial records for the period 13 
November (1648) to the end of July 1649:

"To Johann Francisco Corbetta, on account (honor) of the instruction in 
guitar playing given to the royal person, 60 florins was handed over."

(The guitar instruction that Kaiser Leopold received in Vienna, while 
still a young prince, from Francesco Corbetta, who lived from ca.1615 
to 1681.)

The ledger entry is full of deviations from the modern accepted 
spellings and word usage of the German language.

Regards,

Daniel Heiman

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Subject: [VIHUELA] German translations

I wonder if any kind person on the list whose knowledge of German is 
better than mine could translate the following into English. I can 
guess more or less what it is about but can't fathom out the details.  
He was played 60 fl. for whatever he did

Eintrag in den Hofzahlamtsrechungen für den Zeitrum 13 November (1648) 
bis Ends July 1649 –

Johann Francisco Corbetta Musico umbwillen er vor beeden Khönigli 
Persohnen auf der Kittara gespielt zur Verehrung dargeraicht 60 fl.

Der Gitarrenunterricht, den Kaiser Leopold I noch als der jung 
Erzherzog in der Zeit zwischen November 1648 – July 1649 in Wien durch 
Francesco Corbetta (ca. 1615-1681) erheilt.

Thanks for any help.

Monica




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[VIHUELA] Re: German translations

2018-04-23 Thread Peter Kooiman 
> on account (honor) of the instruction in guitar playing given

I wonder if that is correct though. 

Would " umbwillen er vor beeden Khönigli Persohnen auf der Kittara gespielt" 
not be "while he played for (both?) royals on the guitar"?

Regards
Peter

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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu  On Behalf Of 
mjlh...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 3:02 PM
To: heiman.dan...@juno.com
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Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: German translations

Thank you very much for your help.  I thought the spelling might be odd because 
I couldn't find some of the words in the dictionary. Nor could Google translate.

Best wishes
Monica

Original Message
From: heiman.dan...@juno.com
Date: 23/04/2018 12:34
To: 
Subj: RE: [VIHUELA] German translations

Monica:

This is an entry in the court financial records for the period 13 November 
(1648) to the end of July 1649:

"To Johann Francisco Corbetta, on account (honor) of the instruction in guitar 
playing given to the royal person, 60 florins was handed over."

(The guitar instruction that Kaiser Leopold received in Vienna, while still a 
young prince, from Francesco Corbetta, who lived from ca.1615 to 1681.)

The ledger entry is full of deviations from the modern accepted spellings and 
word usage of the German language.

Regards,

Daniel Heiman

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
mjlh...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: 23 April, 2018 03:26
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Subject: [VIHUELA] German translations

I wonder if any kind person on the list whose knowledge of German is better 
than mine could translate the following into English. I can guess more or less 
what it is about but can't fathom out the details.  
He was played 60 fl. for whatever he did

Eintrag in den Hofzahlamtsrechungen für den Zeitrum 13 November (1648) bis Ends 
July 1649 –

Johann Francisco Corbetta Musico umbwillen er vor beeden Khönigli Persohnen auf 
der Kittara gespielt zur Verehrung dargeraicht 60 fl.

Der Gitarrenunterricht, den Kaiser Leopold I noch als der jung Erzherzog in der 
Zeit zwischen November 1648 – July 1649 in Wien durch Francesco Corbetta (ca. 
1615-1681) erheilt.

Thanks for any help.

Monica




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[VIHUELA] Re: German translations

2018-04-23 Thread mjlh...@cs.dartmouth.edu 
Thank you very much for your help.  I thought the spelling might be odd 
because I couldn't find some of the words in the dictionary. Nor could 
Google translate.

Best wishes
Monica

Original Message
From: heiman.dan...@juno.com
Date: 23/04/2018 12:34 
To: 
Subj: RE: [VIHUELA] German translations

Monica:

This is an entry in the court financial records for the period 13 
November (1648) to the end of July 1649:

"To Johann Francisco Corbetta, on account (honor) of the instruction in 
guitar playing given to the royal person, 60 florins was handed over."

(The guitar instruction that Kaiser Leopold received in Vienna, while 
still a young prince, from Francesco Corbetta, who lived from ca.1615 
to 1681.)

The ledger entry is full of deviations from the modern accepted 
spellings and word usage of the German language.

Regards,

Daniel Heiman

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On 
Behalf Of mjlh...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: 23 April, 2018 03:26
To: VihuelaList
Subject: [VIHUELA] German translations

I wonder if any kind person on the list whose knowledge of German is 
better than mine could translate the following into English. I can 
guess more or less what it is about but can't fathom out the details.  
He was played 60 fl. for whatever he did

Eintrag in den Hofzahlamtsrechungen für den Zeitrum 13 November (1648) 
bis Ends July 1649 –

Johann Francisco Corbetta Musico umbwillen er vor beeden Khönigli 
Persohnen auf der Kittara gespielt zur Verehrung dargeraicht 60 fl.

Der Gitarrenunterricht, den Kaiser Leopold I noch als der jung 
Erzherzog in der Zeit zwischen November 1648 – July 1649 in Wien durch 
Francesco Corbetta (ca. 1615-1681) erheilt.

Thanks for any help.

Monica




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[VIHUELA] German translations

2018-04-23 Thread mjlh...@cs.dartmouth.edu 
I wonder if any kind person on the list whose knowledge of German is 
better than mine could translate the following into English. I can 
guess more or less what it is about but can't fathom out the details.  
He was played 60 fl. for whatever he did

Eintrag in den Hofzahlamtsrechungen für den Zeitrum 13 November (1648) 
bis Ends July 1649 –

Johann Francisco Corbetta Musico umbwillen er vor beeden Khönigli 
Persohnen auf der Kittara gespielt zur Verehrung dargeraicht 60 fl.

Der Gitarrenunterricht, den Kaiser Leopold I noch als der jung 
Erzherzog in der Zeit zwischen November 1648 – July 1649 in Wien durch 
Francesco Corbetta (ca. 1615-1681) erheilt.

Thanks for any help.

Monica




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