[VIHUELA] Re: Stefano Landi

2010-11-14 Thread Monica Hall
Thanks Stewart. That is an excellent summary overall. In this instance it is the clef (rather than a rubric) which indicates the singer's picth vi-a-vi the bass line. There was a complicated system of transposing clefs - described by Ruiz de Ribayaz after a fashion.They are common in 17th

[VIHUELA] Re: Stefano Landi

2010-11-14 Thread Monica Hall
Yet more thoughts...I honestly don't think that the pitch has anything to do with not using a barre. This particular song uses G, H, R and X all played with a barre. R is Chord H at the 2nd fret, and X is chord K at the 2nd fret. Interesting that he is using chords from the end of the sequen

[VIHUELA] Caccini: Amarilli

2010-11-14 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Monica, A facsimile edition is available from SPES (and cheap!): Giulio Caccini: Le Nuove Musiche, & Nuove Musiche e Nuova maniera di Scriverle [A facsimile of the composer's autograph] But also see Ms 704 Brusells BN; this is a slightly later (I guess c 1610) Ms containing

[VIHUELA] Re: Caccini: Amarilli

2010-11-14 Thread Monica Hall
Many thanks to you - and Waling. The digital age seems to have arrived as I have been able to download an image straight off. I seem to recall seeing a contemporary version for 5 course guitar but can't put my finger on it at present.. That is very interesting...because I have found v

[VIHUELA] Re: Stefano Landi

2010-11-14 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
Dear Stewart, Thank you for your `insightful comments. Even if we would use guitars in d' or a, so that the alfabeto would suit the bass, we cannot be certain that the instruments were played together. It is not unlikely that the 'alfabeto editor' (perhaps Landi himself) took

[VIHUELA] Re: Stefano Landi

2010-11-14 Thread Monica Hall
Even if we would use guitars in d' or a, so that the alfabeto would suit the bass, we cannot be certain that the instruments were played together. I agree. I think it is more likely to be an "either/or" situation. It is not unlikely that the 'alfabeto editor' (perhaps Landi himself

[VIHUELA] Re: Caccini: Amarilli

2010-11-14 Thread Monica Hall
Many thanks to everyone who responded to my plea. I have now got a copy. Next thing is to check whether it all adds up. Monica - Original Message - From: "Monica Hall" To: "Martyn Hodgson" Cc: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 10:27 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Caccini:

[VIHUELA] Re: Stefano Landi AND RELATED THINGS

2010-11-14 Thread Martyn Hodgson
As you say Monica 'There is no evidence for partial strumming of alfabeto chords in this repertoire or in the solo repertoire. Colonna and Sanseverino clearly state that the chord should be strummed in full. Indeed Sanseverino says you should not do otherwise. In later sources

[VIHUELA] Stefano Landi

2010-11-14 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Lex, You are quite right, of course, to say that it is possible to strum a guitar without having to strike all the strings all the time. After all, a modern guitarist faced with a D minor chord | | | | | | |__|__|__|__|__x | | | | | | |__|__|__x__|__| | | | | | | |__|__|__|__x

[VIHUELA] Re: Stefano Landi AND RELATED THINGS

2010-11-14 Thread Monica Hall
Certainly we know (from more detailed intabulated later sources) that partial strumming was later practised and there's no reason to suggest this wasn't employed before such tablatures became common and established their seemingly procrustean regime. I agree that partial strummin

[VIHUELA] Re: Stefano Landi

2010-11-14 Thread Monica Hall
After all, a modern guitarist faced with a D minor chord | | | | | | |__|__|__|__|__x | | | | | | |__|__|__x__|__| | | | | | | |__|__|__|__x__| | | | | | | | | | | | | will always try to avoid striking the open sixth string (E). I don't think this analagy is altogethe

[VIHUELA] Re: Stefano Landi

2010-11-14 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
Dear Stewart, in response to yours > In trying to understand what guitarists did in the past, I just wonder > sometimes if try to pin things down too much. We know that some guitars > had bourdons, and others didn't. If it really mattered to Landi and > others which