The first book with
campanelas (Bartolotti) is from 1640.
Actually the first person to have a go is Foscarini. The Passacaglio
variato
on
p.100 in scordatura has two short passages on the 4th line. The second
group is a straightforward little scale passage. The first group I suspect
he
The first book with
campanelas (Bartolotti) is from 1640.
Actually the first person to have a go is Foscarini. The Passacaglio
variato
on
p.100 in scordatura has two short passages on the 4th line. The second
group is a straightforward little scale passage. The first group I
course only.
Shades of things to come.
M
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From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl
To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 8:42 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Any b-guitar repertoire in all re-entrant accepted by
all?
The first
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From: jean-michel Catherinot jeanmichel.catheri...@yahoo.com
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To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk, Chris
Despopoulos despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com
in the slightly early 4 course guitar/gittern repertory and
the earliest 5 course music is simply strummed chords.
MH
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: Mer 24 novembre 2010, 10h 04min 05s
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Who says I tune my guitar(s) at A440? I used this pitch in my analysis
simply as a convenient reference point. But I don't think anybody would
argue that a major
I think the actual evidence from the time is minute - something in
Stradivarius and ? at most a couple of other things? (Plus something much
later? Merchi? - when the bass notes are unambiguously bass notes anyway).
Rather surprisingly the one 17th century mention of this practice is in Ruiz
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I only says that a minor third below 440 is the tuning indicated
by Carbonchi (GCFAD), at a pitch of a=415. On instruments with a
diapason of 69 cm (as Sellas
On 24/11/2010 12:54, Monica Hall wrote:
Rather surprisingly the one 17th century mention of this practice
[having the low note on the thumb side] is in Ruiz
de Ribayaz's Luz y norte musical.
It's astonishing really. Hundreds of guitar publications and MSS in the
seventeenth century and
It's astonishing really. Hundreds of guitar publications and MSS in the
seventeenth century and just one mention of it. and yet everyone today
uses this method of stringing with bourdons. The actual evidence is so
slight.
One possible reason why it is seldom mentioned is because the commonest
: [VIHUELA] Re: Any b-guitar repertoire in all re-entrant
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To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Monday, 22 November, 2010, 23:25
Thanks for the blessing of sorts... discretion being in the eye of
the
beholder
@cs.dartmouth.edu
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Whatever the case is for an octave on the third course (and to me it
seems so very slim as to be negligible compared with all the evidence
despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com
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Envoye le : Mar 23 novembre 2010, 11h 15min 03s
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Whatever the case is for an octave on the third course (and to me it
seems so very
!
MH
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From: jean-michel Catherinot jeanmichel.catheri...@yahoo.com
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To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar
23 novembre 2010, 11h 15min 03s
Objet : [VIHUELA] Re: Any b-guitar repertoire in all re-entrant
accepted by all?
Whatever the case is for an octave on the third course (and to me it
seems so very slim as to be negligible compared with all the evidence
-
other than our modern
Well, this is not quite correct. The original string length of surviving
guitars by Rene / Alexandre / Jean Voboam would be somewhere between 69
- 71 cm. Most of them were converted to shorter string lengths (sometime
between 1730 - early 19th century) by shortening of the neck and / or
moving
On 23/11/2010 22:08, Alexander Batov wrote:
I quite agree with Martyn that the use of an octave on the third
course is a bit of an overkill with all-gut stringing, whatever SL is
there.
And lets not forget that the main purpose of octave stringing in olden
times was to enhance the sound
But - as usual - the Baroque guitar seems to be different from other
plucked instruments of the time in that the low string and the octave
above it are positioned in reverse from the norm. On lutes (etc) , on
the lower courses with octaves, the thumb hits the low note first
!
cud
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To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
Cc: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sat, November 20, 2010 5:29:16 PM
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Which fugue is it?
Monica
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Which fugue is it?
Monica
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Fuga Primera, por primer Tono al ayre Espanyol, the open G string in
measures (counting from
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That is why some people do argue that octave stringing on the 3rd
course is intended.
Gordon Ferries plays it on his
.
--- On Sun, 21/11/10, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Any b-guitar repertoire in all re-entrant
accepted by all?
To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi, Stuart Walsh
s.wa...@ntlworld.com
On 21/11/2010 09:45, Lex Eisenhardt wrote:
Even Carre has mentioned the 4th course bourdon, halfway his book.
Some have taken this as an indication that he wanted French tuning for accompani
ment
(compare Sanz). We can't be sure.
I only know the first publication of Carré. At the end of the
Here we go again.
The only person who unequivocally states that his music is for the fully
re-entrant tuning is Valdambrini. (And very few people unequivocally state
that their music is for any other specific tuning).
I don't thank that Murcia's Resumen or Matteis is intended for the fully
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To: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl
Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Sunday, 21 November, 2010, 11:11
-entrant tuning.
Monica
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To: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com
Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 12:40 PM
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Thanks to everyone
for introducing b-guitar to a theorbist!
While thinking of b-guitar I had to tube some strumming on b-lute, a
Sarabande by Mercure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTZKpXIx1Dg
Arto
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Lovely Arto. Nice to know that lutenists do it too.
Monica
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Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 1:21 PM
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Dear flat-back lutenists,
is there any repertoire/composer of baroque guitar that/who without any
modern disagreement definitely used the double re-entrant tuning - the
5th and 4th having only in the upper octaves? De Visee perhaps?
An interesting question. I'd like to see a list too. And a
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Cc: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Saturday, 20
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