[VIHUELA] Re: Frets
I presume... Sometime after the tempered scale came into common use. Chris -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 5:29 AM To: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Frets Dear Collective Wisdom,, When did fixed, rather than tied on frets become the norm on the guitar? Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Frets
On 06/11/2013 11:28, Monica Hall wrote: Dear Collective Wisdom,, When did fixed, rather than tied on frets become the norm on the guitar? Monica Obviously, some time in the 18th century. The middle? The photo of James Tyler's late eighteenth-century guitar: signed 'John Preston' in The Early Guitar clearly shows tied on frets- which is surprising -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
[VIHUELA] Re: Frets
Hello, I have a baroque guitar dated 1760 with gut frets, and a romantic one (early romantic) dated 1795-1800 with bone-ebony frets. So I guess when going from 5 course to 6 strings the change was made also for frets. closer to 1800 thanto the middle of the century in my opinion. my 2 cts... Valery Message du 06/11/13 14:39 De : WALSH STUART A : Monica Hall , Vihuelalist Copie `a : Objet : [VIHUELA] Re: Frets On 06/11/2013 11:28, Monica Hall wrote: Dear Collective Wisdom,, When did fixed, rather than tied on frets become the norm on the guitar? Monica Obviously, some time in the 18th century. The middle? The photo of James Tyler's late eighteenth-century guitar: signed 'John Preston' in The Early Guitar clearly shows tied on frets- which is surprising -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com --
[VIHUELA] Re: Frets
I have had in my hands a Mast guitar 'around 1780, with frets of bone, but I can't be certain that they were original, even it seemed to be so. Le Mercredi 6 novembre 2013 14h39, WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com a ecrit : On 06/11/2013 11:28, Monica Hall wrote: Dear Collective Wisdom,, When did fixed, rather than tied on frets become the norm on the guitar? Monica Obviously, some time in the 18th century. The middle? The photo of James Tyler's late eighteenth-century guitar: signed 'John Preston' in The Early Guitar clearly shows tied on frets- which is surprising -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. [2]http://www.avast.com -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 2. http://www.avast.com/
[VIHUELA] Re: Frets
I don't know whether you can say going from 5 to 6 coursed marked the change. I believe I saw in a museum in Milan a 6-course guitar with tied frets. As a total layman, I can't say anything about what was original or authentic. The label says: Chitarra (a sei corde), Sanctus Seraphin, Venezia, 1727. Ok, so that date almost certainly means it was retro-fitted with 6 single-strung courses? cud __ From: Valery SAUVAGE sauvag...@orange.fr To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 9:39 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Frets Hello, I have a baroque guitar dated 1760 with gut frets, and a romantic one (early romantic) dated 1795-1800 with bone-ebony frets. So I guess when going from 5 course to 6 strings the change was made also for frets. closer to 1800 thanto the middle of the century in my opinion. my 2 cts... Valery Message du 06/11/13 14:39 De : WALSH STUART A : Monica Hall , Vihuelalist Copie `a : Objet : [VIHUELA] Re: Frets On 06/11/2013 11:28, Monica Hall wrote: Dear Collective Wisdom,, When did fixed, rather than tied on frets become the norm on the guitar? Monica Obviously, some time in the 18th century. The middle? The photo of James Tyler's late eighteenth-century guitar: signed 'John Preston' in The Early Guitar clearly shows tied on frets- which is surprising -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. [2]http://www.avast.com -- -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 2. http://www.avast.com/
[VIHUELA] Re: Frets
I don't say the change was made together (from gut to fixed frets and from 5 c to 6 strings), but obviously in the same period of time both occurs... And of course you can always find some exceptions... My baroque guitar was converted to 6 single strings at the change of the century (around 1800) but stay with gut frets... (now converted back to 5 course baroque guitar) V. Message du 06/11/13 16:37 De : Chris Despopoulos A : Valery SAUVAGE , Vihuelalist Copie `a : Objet : [VIHUELA] Re: Frets I don't know whether you can say going from 5 to 6 coursed marked the change. I believe I saw in a museum in Milan a 6-course guitar with tied frets. As a total layman, I can't say anything about what was original or authentic. The label says: Chitarra (a sei corde), Sanctus Seraphin, Venezia, 1727. Ok, so that date almost certainly means it was retro-fitted with 6 single-strung courses? cud __ From: Valery SAUVAGE To: Vihuelalist Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 9:39 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Frets Hello, I have a baroque guitar dated 1760 with gut frets, and a romantic one (early romantic) dated 1795-1800 with bone-ebony frets. So I guess when going from 5 course to 6 strings the change was made also for frets. closer to 1800 thanto the middle of the century in my opinion. my 2 cts... Valery Message du 06/11/13 14:39 De : WALSH STUART A : Monica Hall , Vihuelalist Copie `a : Objet : [VIHUELA] Re: Frets On 06/11/2013 11:28, Monica Hall wrote: Dear Collective Wisdom,, When did fixed, rather than tied on frets become the norm on the guitar? Monica Obviously, some time in the 18th century. The middle? The photo of James Tyler's late eighteenth-century guitar: signed 'John Preston' in The Early Guitar clearly shows tied on frets- which is surprising -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. [2]http://www.avast.com -- -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 2. http://www.avast.com/ --
[VIHUELA] Re: Frets
Understood, Valery. And also, I believe the guitar I mentioned (after looking at the picture) must have been treated the same way as yours. There may indeed be a correlation between single-strung, 6-course guitars and solid frets. I wonder -- were the double-strung 6-course instruments made with tied frets? __ From: Valery SAUVAGE sauvag...@orange.fr To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 11:14 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Frets I don't say the change was made together (from gut to fixed frets and from 5 c to 6 strings), but obviously in the same period of time both occurs... And of course you can always find some exceptions... My baroque guitar was converted to 6 single strings at the change of the century (around 1800) but stay with gut frets... (now converted back to 5 course baroque guitar) V. Message du 06/11/13 16:37 De : Chris Despopoulos A : Valery SAUVAGE , Vihuelalist Copie `a : Objet : [VIHUELA] Re: Frets I don't know whether you can say going from 5 to 6 coursed marked the change. I believe I saw in a museum in Milan a 6-course guitar with tied frets. As a total layman, I can't say anything about what was original or authentic. The label says: Chitarra (a sei corde), Sanctus Seraphin, Venezia, 1727. Ok, so that date almost certainly means it was retro-fitted with 6 single-strung courses? cud __ From: Valery SAUVAGE To: Vihuelalist Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 9:39 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Frets Hello, I have a baroque guitar dated 1760 with gut frets, and a romantic one (early romantic) dated 1795-1800 with bone-ebony frets. So I guess when going from 5 course to 6 strings the change was made also for frets. closer to 1800 thanto the middle of the century in my opinion. my 2 cts... Valery Message du 06/11/13 14:39 De : WALSH STUART A : Monica Hall , Vihuelalist Copie `a : Objet : [VIHUELA] Re: Frets On 06/11/2013 11:28, Monica Hall wrote: Dear Collective Wisdom,, When did fixed, rather than tied on frets become the norm on the guitar? Monica Obviously, some time in the 18th century. The middle? The photo of James Tyler's late eighteenth-century guitar: signed 'John Preston' in The Early Guitar clearly shows tied on frets- which is surprising -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1][1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. [2][2]http://www.avast.com -- -- References 1. [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 2. [4]http://www.avast.com/ -- -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 2. http://www.avast.com/ 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. http://www.avast.com/
