[VIHUELA] Re: Landi - Quando Rinaldo

2014-09-16 Thread Arto Wikla


Monica,

well here is my way, not the only possible, naturally. ;-

on the first line in the second bar - are the figures over the second 
D 5-6?


Yes. And I'd play 5-b6.  (and also the last chord if 1st bar G-minor.


on the first line  in the third bar the second 7-6  - should the  6 be
sharp - it could be but I think it sounds better natural.


I'd play 7-#6. And the bass here is b natural, not flat as in the 1st 
bar. And the first 7-6 I'd play b7-6.


On the next line at the cadence in the third bar there is no 
indication the leading note

should be sharpened. I suppose it doesn't have to be...



My strong opinion is that in cadences 4-3 the 3 always is #3 in this 
period. So I think it has to be sharpened.


How reliable is the figuring in these sources (when they put it in at 
all?




I think one problem is that they sometimes did not write the figures 
that everybody knows.


Perhaps this was interesting? And this certainly is not the only truth!

Arto

PS I did not check the alfabeto chords. Sometimes they contradict the 
continuo line markings ...




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[VIHUELA] Re: Landi - Quando Rinaldo

2014-09-16 Thread Monica Hall

Interesting.

Actually the clef combination - the treble G clef for the voice part and the
tenor C clef for the bass part indicates that it should be performed a
perfect 4th lower than written and this is reflected in the alfabeto which
is in A minor rather than D minor.  It fits with the voice part and bass
part but doesn't reproduce the suspensions.

However the 6th is not sharpened at the first cadence - which is really a
phrygian cadence.   And it clearly indicates that the third of the chord at 
the second cadence should be sharpened.


So there is a discrepancy between what the figures indicate and the guitar 
part - which to my ears makes better sense at lest in some ways


As ever
Monica




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Monica,

well here is my way, not the only possible, naturally. ;-


on the first line in the second bar - are the figures over the second D
5-6?


Yes. And I'd play 5-b6.  (and also the last chord if 1st bar G-minor.


on the first line  in the third bar the second 7-6  - should the  6 be
sharp - it could be but I think it sounds better natural.


I'd play 7-#6. And the bass here is b natural, not flat as in the 1st bar.
And the first 7-6 I'd play b7-6.


On the next line at the cadence in the third bar there is no indication
the leading note
should be sharpened. I suppose it doesn't have to be...



My strong opinion is that in cadences 4-3 the 3 always is #3 in this
period. So I think it has to be sharpened.


How reliable is the figuring in these sources (when they put it in at
all?



I think one problem is that they sometimes did not write the figures that
everybody knows.

Perhaps this was interesting? And this certainly is not the only truth!

Arto

PS I did not check the alfabeto chords. Sometimes they contradict the
continuo line markings ...



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