[VIHUELA] Re: Lute and Guitar Tablatures in CZ was Re: Manuscripts XL b.209 and XL b.211

2017-07-21 Thread mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 
Good evening Arthur
It's night time here in London.
The cover sheet on my copy of the two mss. says supplied to 
Mr. Robert Strizich crossed out then Professor Alan Curtis Music 
Department, University of California. 
I wonder if I actually got it from June Yakeley who may have got it 
from Robert Strizich rather than from the LSA.
The pages in my copy are numbered in ink 57 - 158 for XL b.209 which 
suggests that some pages are missing at the beginning, and  4-150 for 
XL b.211.  The last 5 pages of this are for 6-course with open basses. 
Does Boetischer mention that?
I managed to get some of the folio numbers from Emil Vogl's article on 
Logy in LSA Journal but that doesn't help for the rest of the pages. 
We'll have to leave it at that for now I think.
Best wishes
Monica

Original Message
From: arthurjn...@verizon.net
Date: 21/07/2017 18:44 
To: 
Cc: 
Subj: [VIHUELA] Re: Lute and Guitar Tablatures in CZ   was Re: 
Manuscripts XL b.209 and XL b.211

Good morning, Monica!
   >
   You must enjoy cross-word puzzles.  Because you have something 
similar
   puzzle in dealing with XLb.209 and b.211.  Here is some additional
   information from Boetticher's RISM  inventory:
   >
   b.209 has penciled foliation 1-73 (perhaps with the blank pages
   ignored).
   >
   b.211 Folios 144-46 are to be read with the book upside down (that 
is,
   backwards).
   We probably have Peter Danner to thank for the many guitar 
tablatures
   in the LSA Microfilm Library.  I think he has a special interest in
   that repertory and was the microfilm library's first curator.>
   >
   When I searched the libray, I had 153 "hits" for the word guitar.
   Here's the
   link: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/publications/LSA_Lib_Catalog.txt


   >
   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net
   -Original Message-
   From: mjlhall 
   To: arthurjness 
   Sent: Fri, Jul 21, 2017 4:07 am
   Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Lute and Guitar Tablatures in CZ was Re:
   Manuscripts XL b.209 and XL b.211
   Hi Arthur
   The LSA copy includes XL b.211 as well as b.209 all in one. It is 
not
   entirely clear where one ends and the next begins as pages have been
   variously numbered at different times. It will be useful to know 
which
   are the blank folios - I may be able to work out the correct 
foliation
   from that with a little bit of luck.
   Best wishes
   Monica
   Original Message
   From: [1]arthurjn...@verizon.net
   Date: 20/07/2017 22:02
   To: <[2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>, <[3]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Subj: Re: [VIHUELA] Lute and Guitar Tablatures in CZ was Re:
   Manuscripts XL b.209 and XL b.211
   Monica,
   I didn't see b.211 in the LSA library. Maybe I just missed it.
   Speaking of blank pages.
   We've got the world's champion blank page scribe. Wolfgang
   Boetticher's RISM Bvii "descriptive" catalogue of Lauten- und
   Gitarrentabulaturen has hundreds of manuscripts listed. But hardly a
   single composer is named and of course no titles either. But blank
   pages? He lists EVERY blank page in hundreds of lute and guitar
   tablatures.
   XLb 209. Folios 13v, 14r, 18v, 19r-22r, 36v-40r, 44v-48r, 50r-55r, 
59v-
   61r, 63v-67.
   XLb 211 Folios 5r, 10v, 13v-14, 16v, 17r, 20-26, 32v-39, 41v-43, 45-
   63, 65v-67, 68v-142(!!), 144
   I have a review from JAMS:
   [4]https://www.academia.edu/9263282/Boetticher_Handschriftlich_._._._La

   uten-_und_Gitarrentabulaturen_RISM_Bvii_
   Regards, Arthur
   Arthur Ness
   [5]arthurjn...@verizon.net
   -Original Message-
   From: mjlhall <[6]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
   To: arthurjness <[7]arthurjn...@verizon.net>
   Cc: VihuelaList <[8]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Thu, Jul 20, 2017 3:56 pm
   Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Lute and Guitar Tablatures in CZ was Re:
   Manuscripts XL b.209 and XL b.211
   Dear Arthur
   Thank you for this. I have copies of the manuscripts from the LSA -
   but
   the pages are not numbered and also not very legible. Some pages 
seem
   to be missing as well or in the wrong order. But at least it is 
useful
   to know that they are not easy to get hold of! A pity but that's 
life
   I
   suppose.
   Best wishes
   Monica
   Original Message
   From: [9]arthurjn...@verizon.net
   Date: 20/07/2017 17:31
   To: <[10]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>, <[11]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Subj: [VIHUELA] Lute and Guitar Tablatures in CZ was Re: Manuscripts
   XL b.209 and XL b.211
   Hello, Monica!
   These and many other lute and guitar tablatures were returned in
   1993
   to the Lobkowicz family, from whom they were confiscated by the
   <<>

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References

   1. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net
   2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
   3. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
   4. 
https://www.academia.edu/9263282/Boetticher_Handschriftlich_._._._Lauten-_und_Gitarrentabulaturen_RISM_Bvii_

   5. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net
   6.

[VIHUELA] Re: Lute and Guitar Tablatures in CZ was Re: Manuscripts XL b.209 and XL b.211

2017-07-21 Thread Arthur Ness 
   Good morning, Monica!
   >
   You must enjoy cross-word puzzles.  Because you have something similar
   puzzle in dealing with XLb.209 and b.211.  Here is some additional
   information from Boetticher's RISM  inventory:
   >
   b.209 has penciled foliation 1-73 (perhaps with the blank pages
   ignored).
   >
   b.211 Folios 144-46 are to be read with the book upside down (that is,
   backwards).
   We probably have Peter Danner to thank for the many guitar tablatures
   in the LSA Microfilm Library.  I think he has a special interest in
   that repertory and was the microfilm library's first curator.>
   >
   When I searched the libray, I had 153 "hits" for the word guitar.
   Here's the
   link: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/publications/LSA_Lib_Catalog.txt

   >
   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net
   -Original Message-
   From: mjlhall 
   To: arthurjness 
   Sent: Fri, Jul 21, 2017 4:07 am
   Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Lute and Guitar Tablatures in CZ was Re:
   Manuscripts XL b.209 and XL b.211
   Hi Arthur
   The LSA copy includes XL b.211 as well as b.209 all in one. It is not
   entirely clear where one ends and the next begins as pages have been
   variously numbered at different times. It will be useful to know which
   are the blank folios - I may be able to work out the correct foliation
   from that with a little bit of luck.
   Best wishes
   Monica
   Original Message
   From: [1]arthurjn...@verizon.net
   Date: 20/07/2017 22:02
   To: <[2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>, <[3]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Subj: Re: [VIHUELA] Lute and Guitar Tablatures in CZ was Re:
   Manuscripts XL b.209 and XL b.211
   Monica,
   I didn't see b.211 in the LSA library. Maybe I just missed it.
   Speaking of blank pages.
   We've got the world's champion blank page scribe. Wolfgang
   Boetticher's RISM Bvii "descriptive" catalogue of Lauten- und
   Gitarrentabulaturen has hundreds of manuscripts listed. But hardly a
   single composer is named and of course no titles either. But blank
   pages? He lists EVERY blank page in hundreds of lute and guitar
   tablatures.
   XLb 209. Folios 13v, 14r, 18v, 19r-22r, 36v-40r, 44v-48r, 50r-55r, 59v-
   61r, 63v-67.
   XLb 211 Folios 5r, 10v, 13v-14, 16v, 17r, 20-26, 32v-39, 41v-43, 45-
   63, 65v-67, 68v-142(!!), 144
   I have a review from JAMS:
   [4]https://www.academia.edu/9263282/Boetticher_Handschriftlich_._._._La
   uten-_und_Gitarrentabulaturen_RISM_Bvii_
   Regards, Arthur
   Arthur Ness
   [5]arthurjn...@verizon.net
   -Original Message-
   From: mjlhall <[6]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
   To: arthurjness <[7]arthurjn...@verizon.net>
   Cc: VihuelaList <[8]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Thu, Jul 20, 2017 3:56 pm
   Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Lute and Guitar Tablatures in CZ was Re:
   Manuscripts XL b.209 and XL b.211
   Dear Arthur
   Thank you for this. I have copies of the manuscripts from the LSA -
   but
   the pages are not numbered and also not very legible. Some pages seem
   to be missing as well or in the wrong order. But at least it is useful
   to know that they are not easy to get hold of! A pity but that's life
   I
   suppose.
   Best wishes
   Monica
   Original Message
   From: [9]arthurjn...@verizon.net
   Date: 20/07/2017 17:31
   To: <[10]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>, <[11]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Subj: [VIHUELA] Lute and Guitar Tablatures in CZ was Re: Manuscripts
   XL b.209 and XL b.211
   Hello, Monica!
   These and many other lute and guitar tablatures were returned in
   1993
   to the Lobkowicz family, from whom they were confiscated by the
   <<>

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References

   1. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net
   2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
   3. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
   4. 
https://www.academia.edu/9263282/Boetticher_Handschriftlich_._._._Lauten-_und_Gitarrentabulaturen_RISM_Bvii_
   5. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net
   6. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
   7. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net
   8. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
   9. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net
  10. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
  11. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu


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[VIHUELA] Re: Lute and Guitar Tablatures in CZ was Re: Manuscripts XL b.209 and XL b.211

2017-07-20 Thread Arthur Ness 
   Monica,
   I didn't see b.211 in the LSA library. Maybe I just missed it.
   Speaking of blank pages.
   We've got the world's champion blank page scribe.  Wolfgang
   Boetticher's RISM Bvii "descriptive" catalogue of Lauten- und
   Gitarrentabulaturen has hundreds of manuscripts listed.  But hardly a
   single composer is named and of course no titles either.  But blank
   pages?  He lists EVERY blank page in hundreds of lute and guitar
   tablatures.
   XLb 209.  Folios 13v, 14r, 18v, 19r-22r, 36v-40r, 44v-48r, 50r-55r,
   59v-61r, 63v-67.
   XLb 211  Folios 5r, 10v, 13v-14, 16v, 17r, 20-26, 32v-39, 41v-43,
   45-63, 65v-67, 68v-142(!!), 144
   I have a review from JAMS:
   https://www.academia.edu/9263282/Boetticher_Handschriftlich_._._._Laute
   n-_und_Gitarrentabulaturen_RISM_Bvii_
   Regards, Arthur
   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net
   -Original Message-
   From: mjlhall 
   To: arthurjness 
   Cc: VihuelaList 
   Sent: Thu, Jul 20, 2017 3:56 pm
   Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Lute and Guitar Tablatures in CZ was Re:
   Manuscripts XL b.209 and XL b.211
   Dear Arthur
   Thank you for this. I have copies of the manuscripts from the LSA - but
   the pages are not numbered and also not very legible. Some pages seem
   to be missing as well or in the wrong order. But at least it is useful
   to know that they are not easy to get hold of! A pity but that's life I
   suppose.
   Best wishes
   Monica
   Original Message
   From: [1]arthurjn...@verizon.net
   Date: 20/07/2017 17:31
   To: <[2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>, <[3]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Subj: [VIHUELA] Lute and Guitar Tablatures in CZ was Re: Manuscripts
   XL b.209 and XL b.211
   Hello, Monica!
   These and many other lute and guitar tablatures were returned in
   1993
   to the Lobkowicz family, from whom they were confiscated by the
   <<>

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References

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   2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
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[VIHUELA] Re: Lute and Guitar Tablatures in CZ was Re: Manuscripts XL b.209 and XL b.211

2017-07-20 Thread mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 
Dear Arthur
Thank you for this. I have copies of the manuscripts from the LSA - but 
the pages are not numbered and also not very legible. Some pages seem 
to be missing as well or in the wrong order. But at least it is useful 
to know that they are not easy to get hold of! A pity but that's life I 
suppose.
Best wishes
Monica 

Original Message
From: arthurjn...@verizon.net
Date: 20/07/2017 17:31 
To: , 
Subj: [VIHUELA] Lute and Guitar Tablatures in CZ   was Re: Manuscripts 
XL b.209 and XL b.211

Hello, Monica!
   These and many other lute and guitar tablatures were returned in 
1993
   to the Lobkowicz family, from whom they were confiscated by the 
Nazis,
   and then the Communists.  Some sources say they are stored at the
   Lobkowicz castle in Nelahozeves (RISM: CZ-Nrlk).  But since have 
been
   moved to the Lobkowicz Palace in Prague.  Availability reportedly 
seems
   to be limited.  For lute and guitar tablatures in the Czech 
Republic,
   see [1]http://baroque-lute.webnode.cz/loutnove-sborniky/   The list 
is
   cut off, so read it with "Print Preview" or with Word, or "read 
view."
   The Lobkowicz tablatures are those formerly in Prague state 
libraries
   with shelf numbers with II XLb, II Kk, II Ka, II La
   I could find no references to online copies of the two mss you seek,
   Monica.  The LSA Microfilm Library has LXb 209.
   See http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/publications/LSA_Lib_Catalog.txt

   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net
   -Original Message-
   From: mjlhall 
   To: VihuelaList 
   Sent: Thu, Jul 20, 2017 5:34 am
   Subject: [VIHUELA] Manuscripts XL b.209 and XL b.211
   These two manuscripts of baroque guitar music XL b 209 /XL b 211 are 
in
   the Narodni Muzeum in Prague I believe. I have a not very legible
   print out of both of them but the pages are unnumbered and it is not
   clear which manuscript is which or even whether the pages are in the
   right order. The original manuscripts have a lot of blank pages 
which
   may not be included in the pagination.I wondered if anyone has a pdf 
of
   either or both of them or even a list of contents with the correct 
page
   numbers. I tried checking the libraries web page but as it is all in
   Czech didn't get very far.
   Any assistence would be assisted.
   Monica
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