Re: Why bottom-posting is prefered on Vim Mainling List?
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] is quoted my replies are inline below : Steve Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] 写于 2007-05-29 12:19:43: You could say that top posting is easier to write, but bottom posting is easier to read. The extra effort of one poster saves all the readers the same amount of effort. For a group, bottom posting keeps everyone on track. And if done well, individual posts can stand alone in an archive without a peruser having to go paging through a whole thread. It seems that top-posters and bottom-posters belongs to different party and no one can convice another. An explaination why top-post is easier to read: When I am viewing an e-mail, the reply is the main part of the message and I usually quite aware of what the original post is. So I should be able to see the reply when I open the message. Notice how I have set up my reply attribution above. It lets people know to look down for my comments. If the message is bottom post, I will have to scroll down and down to find where the author really start to say something. If the reply starts on line 1000 while the messages ends on line 2000 it will be quite difficult to know line 1000 is the start of reply and I should read from that line. When replying to very long messages it's best to trim the quoted message, leaving only relevant parts to your reply and noting where you have trimmed with something like snip, to avoid that problem While for the top-post, I know the first line is the start of reply and I can read the reply without any difficulty. In an active forum, threads grown long quickly, with top-post, we focus on what the message saids and waste no time. That's fine for one to one emails where you can usually remember what the conversation is with that person, but on lists where there are hundreds of messages it is difficult to remember details you need to keep context. In particular it's better for people searching list archives for similar problems years later - it minimises the time to find answers. Write top-post or bottom-post makes no difference for me, the problem is that I found bottom-post is harder to read since I will have to skim all original messages before I could read the actual reply. Again, if people trimmed as they went that shouldn't be a problem. Well, since no one could convice another, I'll stick to the community rule. :) -- Troy Piggins | http://piggo.com/~troy __ ___ RLU#415538\ \ / (_)_ __ ,-O (o-O \ V /| | ' \ O ) //\ O Vim 7.0.22 \_/ |_|_|_|_| `-O V_/_ OOO
Re: bullet points and paragraph indenting
* Tobia is quoted my replies are inline below : Troy Piggins wrote: When I intend to type a list of bullet points, I start with a - . If I type more than one line for that bullet point, the second line is automatically indented 2 spaces, so the text lines up with the first line's text. However if I type more than 2 lines, the third line starts at beginning of line set autoindent Thanks. -- Troy Piggins | http://piggo.com/~troy __ ___ RLU#415538\ \ / (_)_ __ ,-O (o-O \ V /| | ' \ O ) //\ O Vim 7.0.22 \_/ |_|_|_|_| `-O V_/_ OOO
Re: mbox format archive?
* A.J.Mechelynck is quoted my replies are inline below : Ali Polatel wrote: A.J.Mechelynck [EMAIL PROTECTED] yazmış: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi i'd like to get as large an archive as possible of this list in mbox format. Looking around I don't see any archive in mbox format surprisingly, does anyone know if this exists? thanks! I've been archiving the vim, vim-dev and vim-multibyte lists locally, ever since I switched over to Linux. The file is 19 meg by now. Shall I send it to you as attachment by private email? Hi, I was reading the vim mailing list today and saw this post :) I would be very happy if you can send me the archives of vim and vim-dev when you have time.. thanks! Hmm... This post of mine seems to be eliciting two kinds of reactions: Me too, me too and Don't, you fool, he may be a spammer harvesting addresses. I think I'll leave it on the backburner for a while, waiting for the situation to clarify. Comments, anyone? Regarding people's concerns about email addresses being visible - they do realise that every post made to the vim mailing list is available on mail-to-news gateways like gmane, don't they? Poster's email address are not munged and available on USENET even though posted on a mailing list. -- Troy Piggins | http://piggo.com/~troy __ ___ RLU#415538\ \ / (_)_ __ ,-O (o-O \ V /| | ' \ O ) //\ O Vim 7.0.22 \_/ |_|_|_|_| `-O V_/_ OOO
bullet points and paragraph indenting
When I intend to type a list of bullet points, I start with a - . If I type more than one line for that bullet point, the second line is automatically indented 2 spaces, so the text lines up with the first line's text like this: - Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, However if I type more than 2 lines, the third line starts at beginning of line like this: - Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum. Is there a way to get the whole bullet point item to have that 2 character indent like this? - Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum. -- Troy Piggins | http://piggo.com/~troy __ ___ RLU#415538\ \ / (_)_ __ ,-O (o-O \ V /| | ' \ O ) //\ O Vim 7.0.22 \_/ |_|_|_|_| `-O V_/_ OOO
Re: Vim and email quoting
* Timothy Knox is quoted my replies are inline below : I use vim to write my outgoing email, and for the most part, it rocks. Thanks to all the folks who have written modules and provided tips that make it the best thing for writing email since mailx grin. What tips/scripts are you using and what are your favourites? That said, there is one small annoyance I find: When replying to an email, I like to intersperse the original email with my commentary. When I am on the last line of a paragraph I wish to respond to, I hit o to open a new line. All well and good, save that something recognises the leading of the previous paragraph, and adds one to my new line. Can somebody tell me how to make it stop? ;-) I see you have already solved this. -- Troy Piggins | http://piggo.com/~troy __ ___ RLU#415538\ \ / (_)_ __ ,-O (o-O \ V /| | ' \ O ) //\ O Vim 7.0.22 \_/ |_|_|_|_| `-O V_/_ OOO
figlet script
I was looking for some helper commands for using something like 'figlet' from within vim. Searched the vim scripts and closest I could find was the larlet.vim script http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1357 At present I have this in my .vimrc: map ,f :r!figlet I was wondering if anyone has something a little more advanced. Perhaps a font chooser? -- Troy Piggins | http://piggo.com/~troy
Re: figlet script
* A.J.Mechelynck is quoted my replies are inline below : Troy Piggins wrote: I was looking for some helper commands for using something like 'figlet' from within vim. Searched the vim scripts and closest I could find was the larlet.vim script http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1357 At present I have this in my .vimrc: map ,f :r!figlet I was wondering if anyone has something a little more advanced. Perhaps a font chooser? - Vim or gvim is meant to display exactly one character per character cell, except in the case of wide East-Asian characters (which occupy two character cells), combining characters (which do not occupy a distinct character cell), nonprinting or invalid characters (which may be shown as ^P (two cells), fffe (six cells) etc.); and, of course, hard tabs (which occupy between 1 and 'tabstop' character cells). There is no provision for ASCII-art characters in Vim. I understand that. Figlet is just arranging single chars into patterns that appear as large (multiple row/column) fonts - similar to ascii art. I know there is no provision for that directly in vim. But there are ways to make it easier to invoke. - You can use figlet as a filter (see :help filter). It must of course be present on your system (I have it in /usr/games/). Filter looks promising. If you have figlet on your system, how do you use it? Do you ever use it within vim? Do you have keys mapped, or scripts? - A font chooser exists in the Windows, Mac, Photon, GTK1 and GTK2 versions of gvim (for system fonts, be they bitmapped, TrueType, OpenType etc.): :set guifont=* [snip] By 'font', I meant figlet fonts. Sorry for not being clearer. So a way of choosing a selection of files in /usr/local/share/figlet/*.flf files to use as the '-f' option for figlet: :!figlet -f xxx.flf Thanks. -- Troy Piggins | http://piggo.com/~troy
Re: figlet script
* A.J.Mechelynck is quoted my replies are inline below :
Troy Piggins wrote:
[...]
Filter looks promising. If you have figlet on your system, how do
you use it? Do you ever use it within vim? Do you have keys
mapped, or scripts?
[...]
You can replace a range of lines by its figlet representation: Here are a
few examples:
Visual!figlet
or
Visual:!figlet
which appears as
:','!figlet
replace the (linewise) Visual selection
[snip]
see
:help filter
:help [range]
In all the above examples, add after !figlet any command-line parameters
required by the figlet command (which takes its input on stdin and writes
its output to stdout, Vim takes care of that).
Got it. And a big
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Re: Useful Tools to Assist Editing (Not just VIM)
* zzapper [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [snip] I also use a Text Replacement Utility called ShortKeys which acts a bit like a VIM abbreviation ie you type a short code and it replaces the code with a long sequence of text or code that you use frequently eg a chunk of code, an address etc. [snip] Can that program invoke applications, or just keystrokes? I have tried in the past to do the recommendations of this Vim Everywhere[1] page which uses a similar program to the one you mention called Shortcut[2]. The idea is that you can (supposedly) invoke vim from any text input application. I had trouble getting it to work - the help files are only in German and I am Australian :( Anyway, I was thinking if ShortKeys could do the same. [1] http://www.karpfenteich.net/pit/vimall.html [2] http://www.typer.de/ -- Troy Piggins,-O (o-O O ) //\ O If you're into bondage, make sure More`-O V_/_ OOO isn't your safety word.RLU#415538
Re: Useful Tools to Assist Editing (Not just VIM)
* Gary Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : On 2006-12-01, Troy Piggins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * zzapper [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [snip] I also use a Text Replacement Utility called ShortKeys which acts a bit like a VIM abbreviation ie you type a short code and it replaces the code with a long sequence of text or code that you use frequently eg a chunk of code, an address etc. [snip] Can that program invoke applications, or just keystrokes? I have tried in the past to do the recommendations of this Vim Everywhere[1] page which uses a similar program to the one you mention called Shortcut[2]. The idea is that you can (supposedly) invoke vim from any text input application. I've been using 'external' for quite a while and am very happy with it. http://bur.st/~benc/?p=external I found out about it from http://vim.sourceforge.net/tips/tip.php?tip_id=805 Oh excellent. I'll look into it Gary, thanks! -- Troy Piggins,-O (o-O O ) //\ O If you're into bondage, make sure More`-O V_/_ OOO isn't your safety word.RLU#415538
Re: Useful Tools to Assist Editing (Not just VIM)
* Gary Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : On 2006-12-01, Troy Piggins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * zzapper [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [snip] I also use a Text Replacement Utility called ShortKeys which acts a bit like a VIM abbreviation ie you type a short code and it replaces the code with a long sequence of text or code that you use frequently eg a chunk of code, an address etc. [snip] Can that program invoke applications, or just keystrokes? I have tried in the past to do the recommendations of this Vim Everywhere[1] page which uses a similar program to the one you mention called Shortcut[2]. The idea is that you can (supposedly) invoke vim from any text input application. I've been using 'external' for quite a while and am very happy with it. http://bur.st/~benc/?p=external What a surprise, it works for Thunderbird but not Outlook. /sarcasm -- Troy Piggins,-O (o-O O ) //\ O If you're into bondage, make sure More`-O V_/_ OOO isn't your safety word.RLU#415538
Re: yank and put 'over' instead of 'insert'
* A.J.Mechelynck [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Troy Piggins wrote: I use 'R' replace mode when doing, for example, ascii art etc because it allows me to change characters without affecting the layout of the rest of the window/page. But if I want to yank a section using visual or visual block, is there a way to put 'p' that block in without affecting the layout? The way I've been doing it, the rest gets pushed along. Use visual again, and the put will replace the selection: see :help v_p. Thanks for the quick response Tony! That works if the 2nd visual selection is the same size, but if different size text to the right is moved along. Also, if I want to delete a block to move it instead of copy it, text to the right of the deleted block is shifted left. Is there a way around that? -- Troy Piggins
