Re: VimWiki - released finally

[Robert Cussons]

On 6/5/07, Sebastian Menge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[cross-posted to vim, vim-dev, vim-announce, wikia-l]

Hi all

Finally I have imported all the vim tips from http://vim.org/tips to

http://vim.wikia.com

and set up a minimal infrastructure to keep things going. Not everything
is perfect, but I think it is usable now.

Thanks to all the support from vim@vim.org and especially to the very
kind wikia community (#wikia on freenode and the mailing list,
Greetings!).

Some words on contribution: A good wiki depends on two main factors:
Excellent content and a lively community. We have a lot of good content
now, but to make it excellent we need You!

If you ever posted a tip or a comment to the old tips database, please
have a look at it on the wiki, and review the page. Every little bit
helps!

See you on the wiki, Sebastian.






Very good work Sebastian, it looks great to me.

I have already come across a new tip on vim wikia that I hadn't known 
anything about which I thought I might draw programmer's attention to 
(sorry if you already know about it). Tip #1267, which is a tip to 
enable a programmer to see (by a simple key combination of his/her 
choice), in which function they are. Very useful if you have just landed 
in the middle of a long function during a search for example, you know 
longer have to move around inside the buffer to find which function you 
are in, just type your chosen key combination: see 
http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Show_current_function_name_(for_C_programmers)

if you are interested.

Thanks very much to the original author of the tip and to everyone who 
has contributed to setting up the vim wikia.

Rob.

Re: VimWiki - released finally

[Sebastian Menge]

Some more remarks. When replying it would be clever to change the
subject of the mail ...

Categories:
Tom, the category appears at the very bottom of a page.

see: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Category

(meta.wikimedia.org is the best source for technical documentation about
mediawiki.)

Discussion:
Im not sure, whether the vim mailinglist is the right place to discuss
technical issues of the wiki !? But on the other hand i dont know any
better place :-) There is a "forum" on the wiki
( http://vim.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Watercooler ), but I dont
like forums ... suggestions?

Ads:
Concerning ads, I recommend a good adblocker. http://adblockplus.org/
works well for me. :-) I asked the wikia staff to remove the ugly "Wikia
Spotlight" but they didnt react so far. 
We are a quite large community, and the user-base is even larger. It
would be interesting to estimate how much money they earn with us.

Skin:
There is a "skin" called "slate" It looks quite fance, but more
important it has some nice features like top-rated Pages and the like.
Test it here: http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page?useskin=slate
I dont like the layout, but the features are quite nice ... (try to drag
and drop the boxes on the left ...) We could discuss that on the
http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Main_Page.

Scripts:
Yeah that's an issue that would need some brainwork before. I never used
the scripts_db extensively, so im the wrong guy for that ... But when I
look at it, i dont see anything that couldn't be done with the wiki. But
that doesn't mean it should be done that way :-)

Sebastian.

Re: VimWiki - released finally

[Sebastian Menge]

Am Dienstag, den 05.06.2007, 11:14 -0500 schrieb Tom Purl:
> How do you update the categories?  I can't seem to find that text when I
> edit the full page.

It's a tree (or a directed acyclic graph !?): Simply tag a category with
its parent category/ies. For example


[[Category:LanguageSpecific]]

This category is for tips about the Python programming language. It is a
subcategory of Category:LanguageSpecific.

Re: VimWiki - released finally

[Luc Hermitte]

* On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 02:54:21PM -0600, Mike Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > From: Tom Purl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [...] 
> > So what I don't understand is, why can't I change these categories?
> > I've been editing Mediawiki pages for 4 years, and I've never seen
> > anything like this.
> 
> This isn't a figment of Tom's mind.
> 
> I just poked around the wiki. I'm not seeing a way to change the
> category of an existing article. When you create a new article, you
> can assign categories, but I'm not seeing a way to change the category
> on an existing article even if you edit the entire article by clicking
> on the edit link at the top of the article.
> 
> If there is a way to change the category of an existing article, I'm
> missing it.

I did it twice.
-> http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Running_the_win32-version_of_Vim_from_cygwin

I've added the [Category:Cygwin], and removed Review.

[Category:Review] is a consequence on the template [1] {{Review}} [2] 
The [category:VimTips] is likely a consequence of the template {{Tip}}
[3] used at the start of every vimtip.

BTW, it can be interresting to add a {{Vimscript}} template. In the
long term, it could check the existence of a wiki-page dedicated to the
script and point to that page if found, or to vim site otherwise.
(NB: I don't even know if this is possible, nor ergonomic)

In the short term, it is good way to provide links to the vimscripts of
vim.org.


[1] http://vim.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=10
[2] http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Review
[3] http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Tip
-- 
Luc Hermitte
http://hermitte.free.fr/vim/

RE: VimWiki - released finally

[Mike Hansen]

> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Purl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[...] 
> So what I don't understand is, why can't I change these categories?
> I've been editing Mediawiki pages for 4 years, and I've never seen
> anything like this.

This isn't a figment of Tom's mind.

I just poked around the wiki. I'm not seeing a way to change the
category of an existing article. When you create a new article, you can
assign categories, but I'm not seeing a way to change the category on an
existing article even if you edit the entire article by clicking on the
edit link at the top of the article.

If there is a way to change the category of an existing article, I'm
missing it.

Mike

RE: VimWiki - released finally

[Larson, David]

> Sebastian,
> 
> Why not utilize the "talk:" pages for the comments (see 
> discussion tab at top of each wiki page)?
> 
> Just curious.
> 
> -Robert

Lets avoid using the vim-announce mailing list for a discussing of vim
wiki and stick to vim-dev.

David

Re: VimWiki - released finally

[A.J.Mechelynck]

Tom Purl wrote:

On Tue, June 5, 2007 2:29 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Selon Tom Purl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


On Tue, June 5, 2007 12:36 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello,

Tom Purl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrtoe:


How do you update the categories?  I can't seem to find that text
when I
edit the full page.

We need to edit the tips to add them one, or several category tags.
e.g.: [[Category:Integration]]

But I am editing a tip, and I don't see any reference to a
[[Category:Foo]] link.

IIRC, the category won't appear in the general categories list until
it has a page associated (edit the description of the category).

However, if you have several pages for a given undocumented category
(i.e.  having [[Category:Foo]]) and then open the default page for the
category (i.e.  click on the red link) you will see all the related
pages of that category.

From my very little experience regarding the organisation of a wiki
from scratch, I'll say that everytime we put a page into a new
category, we have to define right away the page of that new category.
Otherwise, another similar, but different) category may emerge.


I don't think that I'm describing my problem very clearly.  I'm trying
to edit the following page:

* http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Indenting_%22throws%22_in_java

When I click on the "edit" link, I should see something similar to this:

some text

some more text

[[Category:Foo]]

Instead, all I see is this:

some text

some more text

One would assume that if the "raw" version of the page didn't include a
[[Category:Foo]] link, then the published version also wouldn't include
any category information.  The weird thing is that the published version
of this particular page includes two categories; "Review" and "VimTip".

So what I don't understand is, why can't I change these categories?
I've been editing Mediawiki pages for 4 years, and I've never seen
anything like this.

Thanks in advance for any help!

Tom Purl




If you click [edit] somewhere in the page, you edit the corresponding section. 
To edit the whole page, click "Edit this page" at bottom.



Best regards,
Tony.
--
Never commit yourself!  Let someone else commit you.

Re: VimWiki - released finally

[Robert Lee]

Sebastian,

Why not utilize the "talk:" pages for the comments (see discussion tab 
at top of each wiki page)?


Just curious.

-Robert

Sebastian Menge wrote:

[cross-posted to vim, vim-dev, vim-announce, wikia-l]

Hi all

Finally I have imported all the vim tips from http://vim.org/tips to 


http://vim.wikia.com

and set up a minimal infrastructure to keep things going. Not everything
is perfect, but I think it is usable now.

Thanks to all the support from vim@vim.org and especially to the very
kind wikia community (#wikia on freenode and the mailing list,
Greetings!).

Some words on contribution: A good wiki depends on two main factors:
Excellent content and a lively community. We have a lot of good content
now, but to make it excellent we need You!

If you ever posted a tip or a comment to the old tips database, please
have a look at it on the wiki, and review the page. Every little bit
helps!

See you on the wiki, Sebastian.


  

Re: VimWiki - released finally

[Tom Purl]

On Tue, June 5, 2007 2:29 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Selon Tom Purl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> On Tue, June 5, 2007 12:36 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Tom Purl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrtoe:
>>>
 How do you update the categories?  I can't seem to find that text
 when I
 edit the full page.
>>>
>>> We need to edit the tips to add them one, or several category tags.
>>> e.g.: [[Category:Integration]]
>> But I am editing a tip, and I don't see any reference to a
>> [[Category:Foo]] link.
>
> IIRC, the category won't appear in the general categories list until
> it has a page associated (edit the description of the category).
>
> However, if you have several pages for a given undocumented category
> (i.e.  having [[Category:Foo]]) and then open the default page for the
> category (i.e.  click on the red link) you will see all the related
> pages of that category.
>
> From my very little experience regarding the organisation of a wiki
> from scratch, I'll say that everytime we put a page into a new
> category, we have to define right away the page of that new category.
> Otherwise, another similar, but different) category may emerge.

I don't think that I'm describing my problem very clearly.  I'm trying
to edit the following page:

* http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Indenting_%22throws%22_in_java

When I click on the "edit" link, I should see something similar to this:

some text

some more text

[[Category:Foo]]

Instead, all I see is this:

some text

some more text

One would assume that if the "raw" version of the page didn't include a
[[Category:Foo]] link, then the published version also wouldn't include
any category information.  The weird thing is that the published version
of this particular page includes two categories; "Review" and "VimTip".

So what I don't understand is, why can't I change these categories?
I've been editing Mediawiki pages for 4 years, and I've never seen
anything like this.

Thanks in advance for any help!

Tom Purl

Re: VimWiki - released finally

[Bram Moolenaar]

Sebastian Menge wrote:

> [cross-posted to vim, vim-dev, vim-announce, wikia-l]
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Finally I have imported all the vim tips from http://vim.org/tips to 
> 
> http://vim.wikia.com
> 
> and set up a minimal infrastructure to keep things going. Not everything
> is perfect, but I think it is usable now.
> 
> Thanks to all the support from vim@vim.org and especially to the very
> kind wikia community (#wikia on freenode and the mailing list,
> Greetings!).
> 
> Some words on contribution: A good wiki depends on two main factors:
> Excellent content and a lively community. We have a lot of good content
> now, but to make it excellent we need You!
> 
> If you ever posted a tip or a comment to the old tips database, please
> have a look at it on the wiki, and review the page. Every little bit
> helps!
> 
> See you on the wiki, Sebastian.

Great!

Let's await comments for a few days, then I'll add a few links on
www.vim.org to the tips wiki.  That should give the wiki quite a bit
more traffic.

How about redirecting http://www.vim.org/tips/tip.php?tip_id=805
to http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/VimTip805  (where 805 is an arbitrary
number)?

The Tips pages appear to load a bit slow, but otherwise it looks like
all the info from the old pages is there.

-- 
I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the intelligence.
There's a knob called "brightness", but it doesn't seem to work. 

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Re: VimWiki - released finally

[Tom Purl]

On Tue, June 5, 2007 1:14 pm, Brian McKee wrote:
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> On 5-Jun-07, at 1:59 PM, Tom Purl wrote:
>
>> On Tue, June 5, 2007 11:34 am, Brian McKee wrote:
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>>> On 5-Jun-07, at 12:00 PM, Tom Purl wrote:
>>>
 On Tue, June 5, 2007 5:41 am, Sebastian Menge wrote:
> [cross-posted to vim, vim-dev, vim-announce, wikia-l]
> Finally I have imported all the vim tips from http://vim.org/
> tips to
>http://vim.wikia.com
 I really think that this implementation of the tips wiki is
 sufficient
 and complete.  Does anyone disagree?  If so, what do you suggest?
>>> Can someone point out how I can get an RSS feed of the recent
>>> changes?
>>>
>>> The page is here 
>>
>> The recent changes page has links for both rss and atom feeds.
>
> Oh - I guess it's in the headers only - I was looking for a clickable
> link rather than just the indicator in the url bar.
>
> If there's a clickable link supposed to be there - I'm not seeing
> it  and a quick /atom/ of the source only shows the link in the
> headers.

Here's what I'm seeing:

URL:  http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Recentchanges

Using both IE and Firefox, I'm am seeing both RSS and Atom links in the
"toolbox" box.  This is true whether I am logged in or not.

Here's exactly what I see in the toolbox box:

Toolbox
* RSS  Atom
* Upload file
* Special pages

What are you seeing?

Thanks,

Tom Purl

Re: VimWiki - released finally

[hermitte]

Selon Tom Purl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Tue, June 5, 2007 12:36 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Tom Purl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrtoe:
> >
> >> How do you update the categories?  I can't seem to find that text when I
> >> edit the full page.
> >
> > We need to edit the tips to add them one, or several category tags.
> > e.g.: [[Category:Integration]]
>
> But I am editing a tip, and I don't see any reference to a
> [[Category:Foo]] link.

IIRC, the category won't appear in the general categories list until it has a
page associated (edit the description of the category).

However, if you have several pages for a given undocumented category (i.e.
having [[Category:Foo]]) and then open the default page for the category (i.e.
click on the red link) you will see all the related pages of that category.

>From my very little experience regarding the organisation of a wiki from
scratch, I'll say that everytime we put a page into a new category, we have to
define right away the page of that new category. Otherwise, another similar, but
different) category may emerge.

--
Luc Hermitte
http://hermitte.free.fr/vim/

Re: VimWiki - released finally

[Brian McKee]

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On 5-Jun-07, at 1:59 PM, Tom Purl wrote:


On Tue, June 5, 2007 11:34 am, Brian McKee wrote:

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On 5-Jun-07, at 12:00 PM, Tom Purl wrote:


On Tue, June 5, 2007 5:41 am, Sebastian Menge wrote:

[cross-posted to vim, vim-dev, vim-announce, wikia-l]
Finally I have imported all the vim tips from http://vim.org/ 
tips to

   http://vim.wikia.com
I really think that this implementation of the tips wiki is  
sufficient

and complete.  Does anyone disagree?  If so, what do you suggest?
Can someone point out how I can get an RSS feed of the recent  
changes?


The page is here 


The recent changes page has links for both rss and atom feeds.


Oh - I guess it's in the headers only - I was looking for a clickable  
link rather than just the indicator in the url bar.


If there's a clickable link supposed to be there - I'm not seeing  
it  and a quick /atom/ of the source only shows the link in the  
headers.


Thanks - Got what I needed.
Brian

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Re: VimWiki - released finally

[Nico Weber]

Hi,


Finally I have imported all the vim tips from http://vim.org/tips to

http://vim.wikia.com


if you must have ads, would it be possible to go with text-only ads?  
Additionally, the "Digg this story" button at the bottom is stupid ;-)


Just my destructive 2 cents,
Nico

Re: VimWiki - released finally

[Tom Purl]

On Tue, June 5, 2007 11:34 am, Brian McKee wrote:
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> On 5-Jun-07, at 12:00 PM, Tom Purl wrote:
>
>> On Tue, June 5, 2007 5:41 am, Sebastian Menge wrote:
>>> [cross-posted to vim, vim-dev, vim-announce, wikia-l]
>>> Finally I have imported all the vim tips from http://vim.org/tips to
>>>
>>> http://vim.wikia.com
>>>
>>> and set up a minimal infrastructure to keep things going. Not
>>> everything
>>> is perfect, but I think it is usable now.
>> Wow!  This really looks excellent Sebastian.  Also, it look very
>> robust
>> and complete.
>> I really think that this implementation of the tips wiki is sufficient
>> and complete.  Does anyone disagree?  If so, what do you suggest?
>
> Indeed - looks good!
>
> Can someone point out how I can get an RSS feed of the recent changes?
>
> The page is here 
>
> Perhaps it's a feature we need to enable?  I see some other wikia
> sites seem to append &feed=rss to the url, but that doesn't work for
> the vim wiki...
>
> Brian
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The recent changes page has links for both rss and atom feeds.

HTH!

Tom Purl

Re: VimWiki - released finally

[Tom Purl]

On Tue, June 5, 2007 12:36 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Tom Purl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrtoe:
>
>> How do you update the categories?  I can't seem to find that text when I
>> edit the full page.
>
> We need to edit the tips to add them one, or several category tags.
> e.g.: [[Category:Integration]]

But I am editing a tip, and I don't see any reference to a
[[Category:Foo]] link.

Thanks!

Tom Purl

Re: VimWiki - released finally

[fREW]

On 6/5/07, Sebastian Menge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[cross-posted to vim, vim-dev, vim-announce, wikia-l]

Hi all

Finally I have imported all the vim tips from http://vim.org/tips to

http://vim.wikia.com

and set up a minimal infrastructure to keep things going. Not everything
is perfect, but I think it is usable now.

Thanks to all the support from vim@vim.org and especially to the very
kind wikia community (#wikia on freenode and the mailing list,
Greetings!).

Some words on contribution: A good wiki depends on two main factors:
Excellent content and a lively community. We have a lot of good content
now, but to make it excellent we need You!

If you ever posted a tip or a comment to the old tips database, please
have a look at it on the wiki, and review the page. Every little bit
helps!

See you on the wiki, Sebastian.




I am EXCITED!

--
-fREW

Re: VimWiki - released finally

[hermitte]

Hello,

Tom Purl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrtoe:

> How do you update the categories?  I can't seem to find that text when I
> edit the full page.

We need to edit the tips to add them one, or several category tags.
e.g.: [[Category:Integration]]


BTW, nice work!

--
Luc Hermitte
http://hermitte.free.fr/vim/

Re: VimWiki - released finally

[Brian McKee]

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On 5-Jun-07, at 12:00 PM, Tom Purl wrote:


On Tue, June 5, 2007 5:41 am, Sebastian Menge wrote:

[cross-posted to vim, vim-dev, vim-announce, wikia-l]
Finally I have imported all the vim tips from http://vim.org/tips to

http://vim.wikia.com

and set up a minimal infrastructure to keep things going. Not  
everything

is perfect, but I think it is usable now.
Wow!  This really looks excellent Sebastian.  Also, it look very  
robust

and complete.
I really think that this implementation of the tips wiki is sufficient
and complete.  Does anyone disagree?  If so, what do you suggest?


Indeed - looks good!

Can someone point out how I can get an RSS feed of the recent changes?

The page is here 

Perhaps it's a feature we need to enable?  I see some other wikia  
sites seem to append &feed=rss to the url, but that doesn't work for  
the vim wiki...


Brian
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Re: VimWiki - released finally

[Tom Purl]

How do you update the categories?  I can't seem to find that text when I
edit the full page.

Thanks!

Tom Purl

On Tue, June 5, 2007 6:51 am, Sebastian Menge wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 05.06.2007, 13:38 +0200 schrieb misi e:
>> all what is missing now (as long as I know) an interface to access
>> this wiki from vim itself .)
>
> Easy with http://wikipediafs.sf.net :-)
>
> Cool would be a vim-plugin that detects [[WikiPage]] and produces a link
> that opens WikiPage.mw from the wikipediafs.
>
> Seb.
>
>

Re: VimWiki - released finally

[Tom Purl]

On Tue, June 5, 2007 5:41 am, Sebastian Menge wrote:
> [cross-posted to vim, vim-dev, vim-announce, wikia-l]
>
> Hi all
>
> Finally I have imported all the vim tips from http://vim.org/tips to
>
> http://vim.wikia.com
>
> and set up a minimal infrastructure to keep things going. Not everything
> is perfect, but I think it is usable now.
>

Wow!  This really looks excellent Sebastian.  Also, it look very robust
and complete.

I really think that this implementation of the tips wiki is sufficient
and complete.  Does anyone disagree?  If so, what do you suggest?

Thanks again!

Tom Purl

Re: VimWiki - released finally

[Tom Purl]

On Tue, June 5, 2007 6:51 am, Sebastian Menge wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 05.06.2007, 13:38 +0200 schrieb misi e:
>> all what is missing now (as long as I know) an interface to access
>> this wiki from vim itself .)
>
> Easy with http://wikipediafs.sf.net :-)

Also, don't forget about the ItsAllText plugin for Firefox.

Tom Purl

Re: VimWiki - released finally

[Sebastian Menge]

Am Dienstag, den 05.06.2007, 13:38 +0200 schrieb misi e:
> all what is missing now (as long as I know) an interface to access
> this wiki from vim itself .)

Easy with http://wikipediafs.sf.net :-)

Cool would be a vim-plugin that detects [[WikiPage]] and produces a link
that opens WikiPage.mw from the wikipediafs.

Seb.

VimWiki - released finally

[Sebastian Menge]

[cross-posted to vim, vim-dev, vim-announce, wikia-l]

Hi all

Finally I have imported all the vim tips from http://vim.org/tips to 

http://vim.wikia.com

and set up a minimal infrastructure to keep things going. Not everything
is perfect, but I think it is usable now.

Thanks to all the support from vim@vim.org and especially to the very
kind wikia community (#wikia on freenode and the mailing list,
Greetings!).

Some words on contribution: A good wiki depends on two main factors:
Excellent content and a lively community. We have a lot of good content
now, but to make it excellent we need You!

If you ever posted a tip or a comment to the old tips database, please
have a look at it on the wiki, and review the page. Every little bit
helps!

See you on the wiki, Sebastian.