Re: good keys for mappings
Hi all Tony said: F2 to F12 (with the possible exception of F10), Shift-F1 to Shift-F12. Perhaps not the OP, but someone might find this useful. Vim, at least on Windows, also knows about F13, F14 and F15. I've never seen a keyboard with such, but registry mappings can be used to map the otherwise next to useless (IMO) windows keys (called Left Windows, Right Windows and Application) to them, and their easily found location may make them good for a map leader, though grossly unportable. (I confess the weakness, oh the shame, of using the arrow keys a lot, with the mouse, more shame, in my left hand, so while in this mode, I use the above trick to bring often used functions to hand without having to move my left hand from the mouse.) Of the various pages about this windows arcana I found http://www.usnetizen.com/fix_capslock.html very helpful. I'm curious, though. Are these keys known by Vim on Unices, so could be mapped with say, xmodmap? Regards, John
Re: good keys for mappings
John Little wrote: Hi all Tony said: F2 to F12 (with the possible exception of F10), Shift-F1 to Shift-F12. Perhaps not the OP, but someone might find this useful. Vim, at least on Windows, also knows about F13, F14 and F15. I've never seen a keyboard with such, but registry mappings can be used to map the otherwise next to useless (IMO) windows keys (called Left Windows, Right Windows and Application) to them, and their easily found location may make them good for a map leader, though grossly unportable. (I confess the weakness, oh the shame, of using the arrow keys a lot, with the mouse, more shame, in my left hand, so while in this mode, I use the above trick to bring often used functions to hand without having to move my left hand from the mouse.) Of the various pages about this windows arcana I found http://www.usnetizen.com/fix_capslock.html very helpful. I'm curious, though. Are these keys known by Vim on Unices, so could be mapped with say, xmodmap? Regards, John After doinf some research (it wasn't easy) on my Linux system, I came up with the following: X11 allows up to 35 F-keys; you would of course have to determine the geographical code of the keys involved, or to find some way to remap them. (Keyboards with up to 248 keys are supported in theory, and keycodes are in the range 8..255 so they are not the same as keyboard scan codes.) On my system, /usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h, and a few more in the same directory, define a lot of key functions for X11 (I mean, they give names to what a key can do when you hit it). Best regards, Tony. -- To err is human, to moo bovine.
Re: good keys for mappings
Hi, On 5/31/07, Arn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Any suggestions on keys/key combos that are good candidates for custom mappings etc? Maybe a dumb question but I hate having to unlearn something, I'd like to create a fair number of mappings that use a consistent convention and won't conflict with anything existing. I think Bram mentioned he's found prefixing with _ works well.. In addition to the detailed answers you have already received, you can also refer to the following tutorial on creating keymaps with Vim: http://www.geocities.com/yegappan/vim_keymap.html - Yegappan
good keys for mappings
Hi, Any suggestions on keys/key combos that are good candidates for custom mappings etc? Maybe a dumb question but I hate having to unlearn something, I'd like to create a fair number of mappings that use a consistent convention and won't conflict with anything existing. I think Bram mentioned he's found prefixing with _ works well.. thanks
Re: good keys for mappings
Any suggestions on keys/key combos that are good candidates for custom mappings etc? [snip] I think Bram mentioned he's found prefixing with _ works well.. I believe that the backslash (\) is the only stand-alone lower-ASCII character available for mappings, and thus is the default map-leader (:help mapleader). Depending on your vim environment, control+S and control+Q are also available, but on console versions, they ofter mess with your flow-control so they're not quite as portable. There are a family of characters which mostly duplicate behavior of other keys, and thus are good candidates if you want them. Such characters include the underscore (as you mentioned), the plus, the minus, the enter key and control+M/control+J. These characters mostly navigate up or down with tweaks regarding how they treat counts, and how they behave column-wise. (Always a bit like my understanding of the kama-sutra...#58 is the same as #42, only you cross your fingers) Fortunately, Alt+anything should be available if supported by your vim environment (some consoles don't pass along Alt). Additionally, all the F-n keys are available (again, assuming availability in your terminal). Some folks have problems with the backslash on their keyboard because it's in an inconvenient place (or requires key-chords or use of dead-keys), so they prefer to use another character as the mapleader. However, if backslash is available and easy enough for you to reach, it would be my recommended character. A lot of folks seem to use the comma or semi-colon as a map-leader, but they _do_ have functionality that I use on a regular basis. Therefore, if you don't want to relearn muscle memory and want to eventually learn to use those commands (a good follow-on lesson to using t/T/f/F for jumping in a line), I wouldn't go over to the dark side... ;-) -tim
Re: good keys for mappings
Op donderdag 31 mei 2007, schreef Arn: Hi, Any suggestions on keys/key combos that are good candidates for custom mappings etc? Maybe a dumb question but I hate having to unlearn something, I'd like to create a fair number of mappings that use a consistent convention and won't conflict with anything existing. I think Bram mentioned he's found prefixing with _ works well.. Well, there's a special key, the so called 'mapleader', you can use to define your mappings. If you don't set it, it defaults to '\'. You can change the value of the mapleader to '_' to 'test' your mapping with the '_' prefix, or change it to something else, without changing the definition of the map. See :help mapleader for more info. Oh, and personally, I just keep it set to the default. Peter
Re: good keys for mappings
[Arn] Any suggestions on keys/key combos that are good candidates for custom mappings etc? The usual is \ followed by something. I initially fought this convention, because \ is a bit hard to type on my keyboard, and tried other things instead, with various levels of conflicts and displeasure. I finally gave in the convention and overcame the keyboard difficulty. I think Bram mentioned he's found prefixing with _ works well.. The _ key is sometimes suggested as well, and some say it is unused. But this is not true, _ is a very useful command for me (it brings the cursor back at the first non-blank character of the current line). A common approach is to use timeouts for recognizing a single key command when that key is also the prefix of multi-key commands. The timeout is not incurred when you immediately follow the single key command by other commands which are not ambiguous with the multi-key commands, but if you want to see the effect of the single key command, you have to suffer the timeout, which may be a bit irritating at times. -- François Pinard http://pinard.progiciels-bpi.ca
Re: good keys for mappings
Hi Arn :) * Arn [EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit: Any suggestions on keys/key combos that are good candidates for custom mappings etc? Maybe a dumb question but I hate having to unlearn something, I'd like to create a fair number of mappings that use a consistent convention and won't conflict with anything existing. I think Bram mentioned he's found prefixing with _ works well.. I think that, apart from '\' (backslash) and probably '_' (underscore) there aren't many keys available for everyone to use as mapleader. This said, depending on your keyboard layout, you may find interesting candidates: for example, my spanish keyboard comes with ç, which is just under my right little finger and that I almost never use. So, I've remapped some combos to 'çç', 'ç+', 'ç-', etc. That is, the key I don't use and the keys that are near to it. This is very useful to me, but this works only on spanish keyboards. Which layout do you use? Raúl Núñez de Arenas Coronado -- Linux Registered User 88736 | http://www.dervishd.net It's my PC and I'll cry if I want to... RAmen!
Re: good keys for mappings
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 11:15:18AM -0400, François Pinard wrote: I think Bram mentioned he's found prefixing with _ works well.. The _ key is sometimes suggested as well, and some say it is unused. But this is not true, _ is a very useful command for me (it brings the cursor back at the first non-blank character of the current line). If you use _ only for that (i.e. without count), it is equivalent to ^. So you can map one of them. Yeti -- http://gwyddion.net/
Re: good keys for mappings
Arn wrote:
Hi,
Any suggestions on keys/key combos that are good candidates for custom
mappings etc?
Maybe a dumb question but I hate having to unlearn something, I'd like
to create a fair number of mappings that use a consistent convention and
won't conflict with anything existing. I think Bram mentioned he's
found prefixing with _ works well..
thanks
F2 to F12 (with the possible exception of F10), Shift-F1 to Shift-F12. As many
keys as the Great Arcana of a Tarot deck ;-) Need more? Use some of them as
prefixes for multikey {lhs}es.
On my Linux/kde system, the window manager preempts Ctrl-Fn and Alt-Fn so
those are not usable for Vim.
Best regards,
Tony.
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Re: good keys for mappings
DervishD wrote: Hi Arn :) * Arn [EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit: Any suggestions on keys/key combos that are good candidates for custom mappings etc? Maybe a dumb question but I hate having to unlearn something, I'd like to create a fair number of mappings that use a consistent convention and won't conflict with anything existing. I think Bram mentioned he's found prefixing with _ works well.. I think that, apart from '\' (backslash) and probably '_' (underscore) there aren't many keys available for everyone to use as mapleader. This said, depending on your keyboard layout, you may find interesting candidates: for example, my spanish keyboard comes with ç, which is just under my right little finger and that I almost never use. So, I've remapped some combos to 'çç', 'ç+', 'ç-', etc. That is, the key I don't use and the keys that are near to it. This is very useful to me, but this works only on spanish keyboards. Which layout do you use? Raúl Núñez de Arenas Coronado On my Belgian keyboard, there are ù (u-grave) and µ (greek mu) at the right end of the middle row, plus shift-mu which is £ (pound sterling). Shift-ù is % and Vim uses that, especially when matchit is enabled. Then there are keys like ² (superscript 2), é (e-acute), § (paragraph), è (e-grave), ç (c-cedilla), à (a-grave) as the unshifted counterparts of various keys of the digits row (on this AZERTY layout the digits are shifted, unlike on US-QWERTY). But I'd say the F keys are the safest in general, especially when taking portability into account. Best regards, Tony. -- An attorney was defending his client against a charge of first-degree murder. Your Honor, my client is accused of stuffing his lover's mutilated body into a suitcase and heading for the Mexican border. Just north of Tijuana a cop spotted her hand sticking out of the suitcase. Now, I would like to stress that my client is *not* a murderer. A sloppy packer, maybe...
Re: good keys for mappings
Hi Tony :) * A.J.Mechelynck [EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit: But I'd say the F keys are the safest in general, especially when taking portability into account. Of course: if you plan to use more than one vim or more than one keyboard type, the F keys are the best choice. In fact, for complex commands I think that they are the only option, because that way you will be able to do these complex commands in any keyboard. But for simple things (like my 'çç', which is just a shorcut for gqip more or less) I prefer a key which is near to my blind typing position. Raúl Núñez de Arenas Coronado -- Linux Registered User 88736 | http://www.dervishd.net It's my PC and I'll cry if I want to... RAmen!
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DervishD wrote: Hi Tony :) * A.J.Mechelynck [EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit: But I'd say the F keys are the safest in general, especially when taking portability into account. Of course: if you plan to use more than one vim or more than one keyboard type, the F keys are the best choice. In fact, for complex commands I think that they are the only option, because that way you will be able to do these complex commands in any keyboard. But for simple things (like my 'çç', which is just a shorcut for gqip more or less) I prefer a key which is near to my blind typing position. Raúl Núñez de Arenas Coronado I used to have a mapping for µ (mu) because it's easily accessible (not far from your ç, I guess), but that mapping must have gone up in smoke when I upgraded from M$ to Linux. Nowadays I have all my important mappings on Fn and Shift-Fn, but I keep µ and £ (and then maybe ² ³ etc) in reserve for the time when all available F slots will have been taken. Best regards, Tony. -- Just remember: when you go to court, you are trusting your fate to twelve people that weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty!
