Re: [patch] doc fixes in help.txt
Dominique Pellé wrote: > > Nick Jensen wrote: > > > > > The 2020-04-05 08:51, Tony Mechelynck wrote: > > > >I think that in the first case the original line was correct: a > > > >twenty-minute training, a ten-kilometre distance, a ten-foot pole, > > > >etc.: in English the unit of measure remains (IIRC) invariable (i.e. > > > >does not take the mark of the plural) when used with a number before > > > >the measured noun. > > > > > > Agreed. As a native English speaker, "a 20 minutes interactive training" > > > is wrong. It is better without the "s" of "minutes", but actually "a > > > training" doesn't sound right in either case. > > > > > > In my opinion, it should be either: > > > > > > a 20 minute interactive course > > > > > > or: > > > > > > a 20 minute interactive training session > > > > > > Regards, > > > Nick > > > > OK. > > I found > > https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/22082/are-units-in-english-singular-or-plural > > > > So no 's' in this case. > > But, I see an inconsistency in help.txt: > > > > * (line 34) a 20 minute interactive training > > * (line 44) 20 minutes training course for beginners > > I attach an updated patch thanks to your feedback. > > I also noticed that there was another inconsistency > regarding how long the tutorial takes: > > * in doc/help.txt: 20 minutes > * in doc/usr_01.txt: 30 minutes > * in tutor/tutor: 25-30 minutes > > It's the same order of magnitude of course, > but let's be consistent and round to 30 minutes > everywhere as in the proposed patch. Thanks. It used to be 20 minutes before some more pages were added. -- There is no right or wrong, there is only your personal opinion. (Bram Moolenaar) /// Bram Moolenaar -- b...@moolenaar.net -- http://www.Moolenaar.net \\\ ///sponsor Vim, vote for features -- http://www.Vim.org/sponsor/ \\\ \\\ an exciting new programming language -- http://www.Zimbu.org/// \\\help me help AIDS victims -- http://ICCF-Holland.org/// -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/202004051656.035GuwSt027543%40masaka.moolenaar.net.
Re: [patch] doc fixes in help.txt
All good changes! Regards, Nick Jensen -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/20200405115238.GA592%40KERERU.localdomain.
Re: [patch] doc fixes in help.txt
Dominique Pellé wrote: > > Nick Jensen wrote: > > > The 2020-04-05 08:51, Tony Mechelynck wrote: > > >I think that in the first case the original line was correct: a > > >twenty-minute training, a ten-kilometre distance, a ten-foot pole, > > >etc.: in English the unit of measure remains (IIRC) invariable (i.e. > > >does not take the mark of the plural) when used with a number before > > >the measured noun. > > > > Agreed. As a native English speaker, "a 20 minutes interactive training" > > is wrong. It is better without the "s" of "minutes", but actually "a > > training" doesn't sound right in either case. > > > > In my opinion, it should be either: > > > > a 20 minute interactive course > > > > or: > > > > a 20 minute interactive training session > > > > Regards, > > Nick > > OK. > I found > https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/22082/are-units-in-english-singular-or-plural > > So no 's' in this case. > But, I see an inconsistency in help.txt: > > * (line 34) a 20 minute interactive training > * (line 44) 20 minutes training course for beginners I attach an updated patch thanks to your feedback. I also noticed that there was another inconsistency regarding how long the tutorial takes: * in doc/help.txt: 20 minutes * in doc/usr_01.txt: 30 minutes * in tutor/tutor: 25-30 minutes It's the same order of magnitude of course, but let's be consistent and round to 30 minutes everywhere as in the proposed patch. Regards Dominique -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/CAON-T_gNYGD2mTY7bWrFbqsJB-rGHDfiRhqcdw6fBmA%2Br9pL0A%40mail.gmail.com. diff --git a/runtime/doc/help.txt b/runtime/doc/help.txt index f2b78466e..3ae9ee04d 100644 --- a/runtime/doc/help.txt +++ b/runtime/doc/help.txt @@ -31,8 +31,8 @@ Get specific help: It is possible to go directly to whatever you want help help entries for "word". Or use ":helpgrep word". |:helpgrep| - Getting started: Do the Vim tutor, a 20 minute interactive training for the - basic commands, see |vimtutor|. + Getting started: Do the Vim tutor, a 30-minute interactive training course + for the basic commands, see |vimtutor|. Read the user manual from start to end: |usr_01.txt| Vim stands for Vi IMproved. Most of Vim was made by Bram Moolenaar, but only @@ -41,7 +41,7 @@ through the help of many others. See |credits|. *doc-file-list* *Q_ct* BASIC: |quickref| Overview of the most common commands you will use -|tutor| 20 minutes training course for beginners +|tutor| 30-minute training course for beginners |copying| About copyrights |iccf| Helping poor children in Uganda |sponsor| Sponsor Vim development, become a registered Vim user @@ -144,7 +144,7 @@ Special issues ~ |remote.txt| using Vim as a server or client |term.txt| using different terminals and mice |terminal.txt| Terminal window support -|popup.txt| popop window support +|popup.txt| popup window support Programming language support ~ |indent.txt| automatic indenting for C and other languages diff --git a/runtime/tutor/tutor b/runtime/tutor/tutor index 426fb5756..3add4f66d 100644 --- a/runtime/tutor/tutor +++ b/runtime/tutor/tutor @@ -7,7 +7,7 @@ enough of the commands that you will be able to easily use Vim as an all-purpose editor. - The approximate time required to complete the tutor is 25-30 minutes, + The approximate time required to complete the tutor is 30 minutes, depending upon how much time is spent with experimentation. ATTENTION: diff --git a/runtime/tutor/tutor.utf-8 b/runtime/tutor/tutor.utf-8 index 426fb5756..3add4f66d 100644 --- a/runtime/tutor/tutor.utf-8 +++ b/runtime/tutor/tutor.utf-8 @@ -7,7 +7,7 @@ enough of the commands that you will be able to easily use Vim as an all-purpose editor. - The approximate time required to complete the tutor is 25-30 minutes, + The approximate time required to complete the tutor is 30 minutes, depending upon how much time is spent with experimentation. ATTENTION:
Re: [patch] doc fixes in help.txt
Nick Jensen wrote: > The 2020-04-05 08:51, Tony Mechelynck wrote: > >I think that in the first case the original line was correct: a > >twenty-minute training, a ten-kilometre distance, a ten-foot pole, > >etc.: in English the unit of measure remains (IIRC) invariable (i.e. > >does not take the mark of the plural) when used with a number before > >the measured noun. > > Agreed. As a native English speaker, "a 20 minutes interactive training" > is wrong. It is better without the "s" of "minutes", but actually "a > training" doesn't sound right in either case. > > In my opinion, it should be either: > > a 20 minute interactive course > > or: > > a 20 minute interactive training session > > Regards, > Nick OK. I found https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/22082/are-units-in-english-singular-or-plural So no 's' in this case. But, I see an inconsistency in help.txt: * (line 34) a 20 minute interactive training * (line 44) 20 minutes training course for beginners Regards Dominique -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/CAON-T_hMzeBB7Jj72MnLA9ErcGYVLJP49poQ2BtvZwQtCYMBhw%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [patch] doc fixes in help.txt
The 2020-04-05 08:51, Tony Mechelynck wrote: I think that in the first case the original line was correct: a twenty-minute training, a ten-kilometre distance, a ten-foot pole, etc.: in English the unit of measure remains (IIRC) invariable (i.e. does not take the mark of the plural) when used with a number before the measured noun. Agreed. As a native English speaker, "a 20 minutes interactive training" is wrong. It is better without the "s" of "minutes", but actually "a training" doesn't sound right in either case. In my opinion, it should be either: a 20 minute interactive course or: a 20 minute interactive training session Regards, Nick -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/20200405075036.GA1045%40KERERU.localdomain.
Re: [patch] doc fixes in help.txt
I think that in the first case the original line was correct: a twenty-minute training, a ten-kilometre distance, a ten-foot pole, etc.: in English the unit of measure remains (IIRC) invariable (i.e. does not take the mark of the plural) when used with a number before the measured noun. Native English speakers, please chime in. Best regards, Tony. On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 4:44 AM Dominique Pellé wrote: > > Hi > > Please find attached doc fixes for help.txt. > > Regards > Dominique > > -- > -- > You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. > Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. > For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "vim_dev" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/CAON-T_jw2qGGN%3DaEpdM4nQwzHZ9wE%2BMwA-r4hmQ%2BzozaPUor-Q%40mail.gmail.com. -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/CAJkCKXsihqiuOFrFoAj0KZLA6r2CHs17CjGvCXVz6q1_Rzm2zA%40mail.gmail.com.
