Re: Adding settings to .vimrc doesn't work

2017-05-04 Thread Alla 

On 5/4/17 12:48, Tony Mechelynck wrote:

  On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 6:41 AM, Alla  wrote:


On 5/3/17 21:12, Tony Mechelynck wrote:

On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 7:54:10 AM UTC+2, Yongwei Wu wrote:

On 3 May 2017 at 13:11, Alla  wrote:




Nowadays most teachers let lefties write with their right hand, they think
they have better things to learn than which hand to put the pen in. By
forcing yourself to use always hjkl and never ←↓↑→ you are figuratively (and
voluntarily) putting yourself into the position of one of these "forced
lefties" of 85 years ago. Good luck!


I don't agree that this is a good comparison: being a left-handed person is
a natural feature, while anything one does in Vim is a matter of acquiring a
certain skill - mental and physical.

Well, in one case you acquire certain mental and physical skills with
Vim, in other cases you acquire mental and physical skills with a pen.
The only difference I see is that being left-handed is congenital,
possibly even innate, while preferring to use ←↓↑→ over hjkl is
acquired — you probably hadn't even met hjkl before you started using
Vim.

I still think — together with Yongwei Wu, another old-timer — that one
should not artificially restrict oneself not to use some particular
abilities of Vim. But, well, you want to learn to "write" with the
"hand" you don't feel most at ease with, it's your problem, go ahead.


Tony, I came here for an advice, and I am happy I got it, and I did heed 
to it. :-)
If not the help from Yongwei Wu, I wouldn't know that it's all right to 
use such
things as arrow keys. Time and practice will help me to get a better 
understanding

about the tools.


Best regards,
Tony.



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Re: Adding settings to .vimrc doesn't work

2017-05-04 Thread Tony Mechelynck 
 On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 6:41 AM, Alla  wrote:
>
>
> On 5/3/17 21:12, Tony Mechelynck wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 7:54:10 AM UTC+2, Yongwei Wu wrote:
>>>
>>> On 3 May 2017 at 13:11, Alla  wrote:
>>>
>
> 
>>
>> Nowadays most teachers let lefties write with their right hand, they think
>> they have better things to learn than which hand to put the pen in. By
>> forcing yourself to use always hjkl and never ←↓↑→ you are figuratively (and
>> voluntarily) putting yourself into the position of one of these "forced
>> lefties" of 85 years ago. Good luck!
>
>
> I don't agree that this is a good comparison: being a left-handed person is
> a natural feature, while anything one does in Vim is a matter of acquiring a
> certain skill - mental and physical.

Well, in one case you acquire certain mental and physical skills with
Vim, in other cases you acquire mental and physical skills with a pen.
The only difference I see is that being left-handed is congenital,
possibly even innate, while preferring to use ←↓↑→ over hjkl is
acquired — you probably hadn't even met hjkl before you started using
Vim.

I still think — together with Yongwei Wu, another old-timer — that one
should not artificially restrict oneself not to use some particular
abilities of Vim. But, well, you want to learn to "write" with the
"hand" you don't feel most at ease with, it's your problem, go ahead.

Best regards,
Tony.

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Re: Adding settings to .vimrc doesn't work

2017-05-03 Thread Alla 



On 5/3/17 21:12, Tony Mechelynck wrote:

On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 7:54:10 AM UTC+2, Yongwei Wu wrote:

On 3 May 2017 at 13:11, Alla  wrote:





Nowadays most teachers let lefties write with their right hand, they think they have 
better things to learn than which hand to put the pen in. By forcing yourself to use 
always hjkl and never ←↓↑→ you are figuratively (and voluntarily) putting yourself into 
the position of one of these "forced lefties" of 85 years ago. Good luck!


I don't agree that this is a good comparison: being a left-handed person 
is a natural feature, while anything one does in Vim is a matter of 
acquiring a certain skill - mental and physical.


Best regards,
Tony.



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Re: Adding settings to .vimrc doesn't work

2017-05-03 Thread Tony Mechelynck 
On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 8:12:40 PM UTC+2, Tony Mechelynck wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 7:54:10 AM UTC+2, Yongwei Wu wrote:
> > On 3 May 2017 at 13:11, Alla  wrote:
> > > I see your point, and thank you for explaining this. As a beginner in
> > > programming
> > > I still can't decipher a good advice from a bad one. That one sounded
> > > reasonable for those who are just starting using Vim, and this could help
> > > them
> > > to develop a physical habit of avoiding "easy" conventional tools, which 
> > > are
> > > redundant and not useful in Vim.
> > 
> > Let me be more specific in this case. The arrow keys are designed to
> > help you navigate. No matter what Vim enthusiasts say, I do not
> > consider using arrow keys is a problem. You have to use arrow keys in
> > other application, so using them is not a bad habit. It is especially
> > the case in Insert Mode, as there are no alternatives.
> > 
> > > And no, I didn't start the new instance of Vim. I just did, and, yes, it
> > > works.
> > >
> > > Could you, please, share what types of changes/settings are reasonable
> > > to add to vimrc?
> > 
> > There are simply too many settings in Vim. I believe you can find a
> > lot of tutorials. It is process of continuous learning. And people
> > normally also have a lot of plugins, which may or may not be reflected
> > in their .vimrc files.
> > 
> > I have an old Linux .vimrc already on the web. Although it is a bit
> > outdated, my current .vimrc on Mac is evolved from that one. Maybe you
> > can consult that one first:
> > 
> > http://wyw.dcweb.cn/vim/.vimrc.html
> > 
> > It is commented, and you can do ":help keyword" for features you are
> > not familiar with.
> > 
> > A few more additions:
> > 
> > " The plugin package bundled with Vim 8 is useful, when you
> > " accidentally opening a file a second time.
> > if v:version >= 800
> >   packadd! editexisting
> > endif
> > 
> > " Vim 7+ has spelling check
> > if has('syntax')
> >   nmap:setlocal spell!
> >   imap   :setlocal spell!
> > endif
> > 
> > " Make syntax highlighting more accurate by synchronizing more lines
> > au BufReadPost *  syn sync minlines=1000
> > 
> > -- 
> > Yongwei Wu
> > URL: http://wyw.dcweb.cn/
> 
> I agree. In many cases there are several different ways to get a certain 
> result in Vim, and IMHO this is an advantage, not an inconvenient. Some Vim 
> users pefer to move with hjkl. Others prefer to use arrow keys. Still others 
> prefer to click the mouse where they want to go. Others use one or the other 
> of these different methods depending on circumstances. So what? If it works 
> for you, use it.
> 
> Let me take a comparison from a different field of experience: Most people 
> feel more at ease when writing with the right hand, but a significant 
> minority prefers to use the left hand, and a small minority can start with 
> the chalk in the left hand on the left side of the blackboard and end the 
> same line with the chalk in the right hand on the right side of the same 
> blackboard (or vice-versa if using RTL script like among others Hebrew or 
> Arabic. When my mother was in grade school (in the 1930s) all lefties were 
> forced to write with the right hand: so my mother ended up writing with the 
> right hand (because she was forced) and sewing with the left (because she 
> wasn't). When playing tennis some 50 years ago, she used to pass the racket 
> from one hand to the other, which upset her friends playing with her.
> 
> Nowadays most teachers let lefties write with their right hand, they think 
> they have better things to learn than which hand to put the pen in. By 
> forcing yourself to use always hjkl and never ←↓↑→ you are figuratively (and 
> voluntarily) putting yourself into the position of one of these "forced 
> lefties" of 85 years ago. Good luck!
> 
> Best regards,
> Tony.

Oops! Nowadays they let lefties write with their _left_ hand of course.

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Re: Adding settings to .vimrc doesn't work

2017-05-02 Thread Yongwei Wu 
On 3 May 2017 at 13:11, Alla  wrote:
> I see your point, and thank you for explaining this. As a beginner in
> programming
> I still can't decipher a good advice from a bad one. That one sounded
> reasonable for those who are just starting using Vim, and this could help
> them
> to develop a physical habit of avoiding "easy" conventional tools, which are
> redundant and not useful in Vim.

Let me be more specific in this case. The arrow keys are designed to
help you navigate. No matter what Vim enthusiasts say, I do not
consider using arrow keys is a problem. You have to use arrow keys in
other application, so using them is not a bad habit. It is especially
the case in Insert Mode, as there are no alternatives.

> And no, I didn't start the new instance of Vim. I just did, and, yes, it
> works.
>
> Could you, please, share what types of changes/settings are reasonable
> to add to vimrc?

There are simply too many settings in Vim. I believe you can find a
lot of tutorials. It is process of continuous learning. And people
normally also have a lot of plugins, which may or may not be reflected
in their .vimrc files.

I have an old Linux .vimrc already on the web. Although it is a bit
outdated, my current .vimrc on Mac is evolved from that one. Maybe you
can consult that one first:

http://wyw.dcweb.cn/vim/.vimrc.html

It is commented, and you can do ":help keyword" for features you are
not familiar with.

A few more additions:

" The plugin package bundled with Vim 8 is useful, when you
" accidentally opening a file a second time.
if v:version >= 800
  packadd! editexisting
endif

" Vim 7+ has spelling check
if has('syntax')
  nmap:setlocal spell!
  imap   :setlocal spell!
endif

" Make syntax highlighting more accurate by synchronizing more lines
au BufReadPost *  syn sync minlines=1000

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Re: Adding settings to .vimrc doesn't work

2017-05-02 Thread Alla 

On 5/3/17 05:20, Yongwei Wu wrote:

I laughed at the self-abusing "great advice", but it did work for me.
Did you start a new Vim instance after saving .vimrc?

(Let me state again, it is a bad, silly advice. The tool should be
there to help you. You shall not be treated as having to adapt to
specific tools or machines.)





Thank you for your reply. Nice that my post elicited your laughter. :-)
I see your point, and thank you for explaining this. As a beginner in 
programming

I still can't decipher a good advice from a bad one. That one sounded
reasonable for those who are just starting using Vim, and this could 
help them
to develop a physical habit of avoiding "easy" conventional tools, which 
are

redundant and not useful in Vim.
And no, I didn't start the new instance of Vim. I just did, and, yes, it 
works.


Could you, please, share what types of changes/settings are reasonable
to add to vimrc?

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Re: Adding settings to .vimrc doesn't work

2017-05-02 Thread David Henderson 

On 02 May 2017, at 19:20, Yongwei Wu  wrote:

> I laughed at the self-abusing "great advice", but it did work for me.
> Did you start a new Vim instance after saving .vimrc?
> 
> (Let me state again, it is a bad, silly advice. The tool should be
> there to help you. You shall not be treated as having to adapt to
> specific tools or machines.)
> 

Or one could just :source ~/.vimrc in vim to reload the changed rc file.

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Re: Adding settings to .vimrc doesn't work

2017-05-02 Thread Yongwei Wu 
I laughed at the self-abusing "great advice", but it did work for me.
Did you start a new Vim instance after saving .vimrc?

(Let me state again, it is a bad, silly advice. The tool should be
there to help you. You shall not be treated as having to adapt to
specific tools or machines.)

On 3 May 2017 at 02:42,  wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> My system:
> Mac OS 10.11.6
>
> My version of Macvim:
> Custom Version 8.0.525 (130)
>
> Vim version installed on my Mac is:
> version 7.3
>
> I am only the beginner. In one of the videos I watched the tutor
> gives a great advice on switching off arrows key to avoid temptation
> to use them when in an insert mode, for example. I tried to follow the
> recommendation by entering a few lines (see below) into .vimrc file,
> but nothing's changed - I am still able to play around with those arrows.
>
> I will be grateful for your help.
> As I am using Macvim, I have opened .vimrc file by typing:
>
> :tabe ~/.vimrc
>
> Then I entered 8 lines:
>
> "Unmap the arrow keys
>
> no  
> no  
> no  
> no  
>
> ino  
> ino  
> ino  
> ino  
>
> Then I closed the file saving the content by typing:
> :wq
>
> Then I checked if the content is saved by opening the file again:
> :tabe ~/.vimrc
>
> and indeed everything is there.
>
> But when I enter insert mode in another file I am currently editing,
> I can freely move around with those arrow keys while in the insert
> mode, so the above lines didn't do the job. Please, help me to find
> my mistake, and to correct it.
>
> Thank you very much!
>
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