Netscape's favorite tactic is scribbling over
itself in memory, at least on Windows. How do I
tell if a Mac app crash is due to the app overwriting
part of its main executable in RAM? At any rate,
especially after 20+ years, _I_ find it amazing
that programmers still haven't come up with a
This is one of the advantages of Netscape on the classic Mac OS. Any
application creates it's own memory partition and only the most remarkably
buggy apps will overwrite another app's partition (maybe something not 32-bit
clean?). Netscape and some others go one step further. Once it has a
I dared to try powering the HD off the floppy port of the Plus, using that
odd cable that fitted both ends, and it worked great! Thanks to everyone for
their comments on- and off-list...
Mike Evans
--
Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and...
Small Dog Electronics
--- James S Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is one of the advantages of Netscape on the
classic Mac OS. Any
application creates it's own memory partition and
only the most remarkably
buggy apps will overwrite another app's partition
(maybe something not 32-bit
clean?). Netscape and
Who all here uses RAM Charger?
OK, how many RAM Charger users also own a non
Vintage Mac with OS 8.5 through 9.1?
Of course you know that using RAM Charger on
OS 8.5 or 8.6 is a bit iffy and it doesn't
work on 9.x.
Sooo, now that work on the classic Mac OS has been
terminated (supposedly) Apple
Very off topic, please excuse me. Maybe this tread will help some body.
I hope. Not my words but those that may come
David Robinson wrote:
The problem with that is that my crashes usually occur only when working. For
example, I may be using Pagemaker 6.5, and/or Photoshop 5.5, with Netscape
Listen nanny don't you have anything better to do like wash behind
your ears before you have your milk and cookies before your bedtime?
In any case, the nanny is a nanny for the reason. It would logically
seem to me that he is here to keep things in check. Perhaps next
time I see a
I really don't use it very much. Acutally, I hate it. But with all this
nasty comment about Netscape I thought I'd try it for a while and see if IE
Express worked better (fewer crashes while working in apps) than Netscape.
Frankly, I prefer Netscape. But if it's as buggy as everyone seems
You might consider using Eudora, by far the best e-mail app, that I know
of, and there are nice 68k versions available. In my experience Netscape
runs much nicer on 68030 macs than IE. Netscape 2.02 is the fastest, but
on a IIfx Netscape 3 and 4 work pretty well. IE is dog slow. You might
--- David Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Regarding Pagmaker 6.5, it crasher quite frequently
on it's on. I beginning
to wonder if I should have stayed with my old friend
Pagemaker 6.0. PM 6.5
crashed this morning as I was attempting to run
Outlook Express.
David
Its always so much fun
Who all here uses RAM Charger?
OK, how many RAM Charger users also own a non
Vintage Mac with OS 8.5 through 9.1?
Of course you know that using RAM Charger on
OS 8.5 or 8.6 is a bit iffy and it doesn't
work on 9.x.
Sooo, now that work on the classic Mac OS has been
terminated (supposedly) Apple
I tried to post this question the other day, but it hasn't appeared on the
last two digests, here it is again:
Does the black terminator used for external SCSI devices with the MacIIfx
have a green led?
I'm being given one, and want to use the correct terminator...
tia,
scb
--
Scott Barber
Listen nanny don't you have anything better to do like wash behind
your ears before you have your milk and cookies before your bedtime?
In any case, the nanny is a nanny for the reason. It would logically
seem to me that he is here to keep things in check. Perhaps next
time I see a
If they take away our Macs, we can get by. If they take away our guns, we
will all perish in tyranny.
--
Paul/.
95 black 3000GT VR-4
98 VFR800F, TBR aluminum hi exit
formerly reasonable and prudent
Too many (hand)guns to count!!!
on 7/25/01 11:04, Paul Stamsen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled:
I've been trying to find out what the heck a Mac
Error -671 is, so I popped Error -671 (use the
quotes)
into
http://www.dogpile.com
Scroll down to where it says Are you looking for:
One of the suggestions is Bill Gates Home.
LOL! Now I know what is causing Error -671. All that
FUD from Redmond.
What does any of this have to do with the guy's morals or lack thereof ?
He may be a Republican, which is regrettable IMHO, but he's young and maybe
he'll come around. Changing a server from UNIX to NT was part of his job.
Should he have resigned in protest ?
Yep. Consider Microsoft just like
Sounds like an active terminator, which should
work better than the Special Black IIfx one.
Termination power must be provided to the bus,
either by the host adaptor (Mac) or one of the
drives to use an active terminator. Its generally
not a good idea to have more than two devices
providing
on 7/25/01 1:37 PM, (Vintage Macs) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I really don't use it very much. Acutally, I hate it. But with all this
nasty comment about Netscape I thought I'd try it for a while and see if IE
Express worked better (fewer crashes while working in apps) than Netscape.
on 7/25/01 1:37 PM, (Vintage Macs) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Political and religiously provocative sigs are powerful temptations for
people to blast others. They are easily more powerful than most people's
desire to stay on
They are TEMPTATIONS. People on a worldwide internet list (or
Amber Rhea wrote:
on 7/25/01 1:37 PM, (Vintage Macs) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Political and religiously provocative sigs are powerful temptations for
people to blast others. They are easily more powerful than most people's
desire to stay on
Seems like a bit of an extreme step. If
I founbd out the correct address for M2M is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sorry for the mis-information, but if anyone wants to discuss
it, that's where I'll be.
- /\ oPaul
\__/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Co-Conspirator to make the world a better place... Find out about
HeroicStories,
First reminder -- this is the VINTAGE Macs list. It's for Macs with 68030
and earlier processors. By the once-removed rule, you can discuss
'040-based Macs here if you're not on the Quadra list.
This is not a Power Mac list. We run three different lists for different
classes of Power Macs.
They are TEMPTATIONS. People on a worldwide internet list (or anywhere, for
that matter) need to be mature enough to control themselves
Religion and Wayne Gretzky last week. Guns this week. So far so not good
in the self control dept.
Seems like a bit of an extreme step. If this
Gregg Eshelman wrote:
I'm still trying to find out what a -671 error is.
-671 is a connection proccesses error usually associated with an Open
Transport crash.
Kyle H. Hansen
-- Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?
George W. Bush
--
Vintage Macs is sponsored by
just a brief defence of 486 machines, I am a mac fan but I also have several
486 machines that are quite useful... The only thing you need in an old 486
to make it useful is lots of ram, if you can squeeze 32 megs or more in you
can run a nice distro of linux...
I do however love my mac LC with
--- RomRider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
just a brief defence of 486 machines, I am a mac fan
but I also have several
486 machines that are quite useful... The only thing
you need in an old 486
to make it useful is lots of ram, if you can squeeze
32 megs or more in you
can run a nice distro
I do however love my mac LC with 10 megs ram and an ethernet card...
system 7.5.3 although i'd like to find the update to 7.5.5 as I hear it has
open transport built right in.
I see the 7.5.5 update mentioned on http://lowendmac.com/macos.shtml.
--
-
Bob Poland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Check out my
Scott Barber wrote:
Does the black terminator used for external SCSI devices with the MacIIfx
have a green led?
I'm being given one, and want to use the correct terminator...
IMHO the special fx terminator isn't needed for short distances.
SCSI is specified to work over a long distance that most
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Scott Barber wrote:
Does the black terminator used for external SCSI
devices with the MacIIfx
have a green led?
I'm being given one, and want to use the correct
terminator...
IMHO the special fx terminator isn't needed for
short distances.
SCSI is
At 22:03 -0700 on 24/07/01, Jeff Garrison wrote:
-Original Message-
From: the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Vintage Macs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: LCIII type 28 error
At 12:43 -0400 on 24/07/01, Chelley Vician wrote:
Methinks FWB and 7.5.5 don't
--- Kyle Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gregg Eshelman wrote:
Unfortunately they
didn't put any easily identifiable marking on the
logic boards or anywhere else to tell which are
the revised ones. :P Someone had a website with
a Mac serial number decoder so you could tell when
--- Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Kyle Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gregg Eshelman wrote:
Unfortunately they
didn't put any easily identifiable marking on
the
logic boards or anywhere else to tell which are
the revised ones. :P Someone had a website
Gregg Eshelman wrote:
That could also be 1994. :)
DOH! 1984... Nine-Teen Eighty-Four.
I was wondering what you were talking about. Yes. It could also be 1984,
but it wasn't a Plus so you have to use a process of elimination to figure it
out. I *know* your smart enough to know what year
the pickle wrote:
Considering that the IIfx was made from 1990-1992 or thereabouts, finding a
serial number starting with 4 is probably pretty unlikely, but then I would
guess Kyle was just giving an example :)
Bingo! We have a winner. That serial was just an example taken from a
Lisa
Would that be a Lisa 1 or a Lisa 2? Either way, I'm jealous...
my girlfriend thinks I've gone off the DEEP END...
:) We moved to a two-bedroom apartment to accomodate all our computers
(okay, so most of them are MY computers!) But now I'm starting to think we
need THREE bedrooms!
--
Amber Rhea wrote:
Lisa
Would that be a Lisa 1 or a Lisa 2? Either way, I'm jealous...
I have the opportunity to trade a bare bones Beige tower for a Lisa2. I'm
wondering if anyone thinks that's worth it. I have 4 G3 MT's that I am gonna
sell, but that trade
-- Kyle H. Hansen
on 7/25/01 4:21 PM, (Vintage Macs) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I prefer IE and Outlook Express. I've had almost no problems with crashes. I
used to use Netscape for web and email but I actually had more problems with
Netscape than with M$ (sad to say).
And you run these programs on a
At 14:21 -0700 on 25/07/01, Kyle Hansen wrote:
Amber Rhea wrote:
Lisa
Would that be a Lisa 1 or a Lisa 2? Either way, I'm jealous...
I have the opportunity to trade a bare bones Beige tower for a Lisa2. I'm
wondering if anyone thinks that's worth it. I have 4 G3 MT's that I am gonna
I just now finally had the opportunity to test out my IIsi with the
Turbo040, thanks to the adapter John Ruschmeyer from LEMSwap so kindly sent
me.
As we all know, though, these things seldom go smoothly.
When I started up the IIsi with the Turbo040 in it (on the adapter card, of
course) and
At 15:04 -0700 on 25/07/01, Gene Osburn wrote:
From: RomRider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: my stash of Macs
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:25:59 -0600
I do however love my mac LC with 10 megs ram and an ethernet card...
system 7.5.3 although i'd like to find the update to 7.5.5 as I hear it
At 18:13 -0400 on 25/07/01, Amber Rhea wrote:
When I started up the IIsi with the Turbo040 in it (on the adapter card, of
course) and the cache attached, all I got was a sputtering noise from the
Mac, and some fast blinking from the green power LED. I removed the Turbo040
card and adapter
Marten van de Kraats wrote:
Last night I had a look at this bloke's (Chris Wood) homepage.
http://cs.hbg.psu.edu/~cjw152/
Although the pride flag is prominently displayed on the page, he hasn't got
much to be proud about, on the contrary.
snip not $64 ph chris? maybe. lol
Listen, van
the pickle wrote:
At 14:21 -0700 on 25/07/01, Kyle Hansen wrote:
Amber Rhea wrote:
Lisa
Would that be a Lisa 1 or a Lisa 2? Either way, I'm jealous...
I have the opportunity to trade a bare bones Beige tower for a Lisa2. I'm
wondering if anyone thinks that's worth it. I have
At 18:39 -0400 on 25/07/01, Christopher J. Wood wrote:
Marten van de Kraats wrote:
Last night I had a look at this bloke's (Chris Wood) homepage.
http://cs.hbg.psu.edu/~cjw152/
Although the pride flag is prominently displayed on the page, he
hasn't got
much to be proud about, on the
At 11:10 AM -0600 7/25/2001, Desert Fox wrote:
If they take away our Macs, we can get by. If they take away our guns, we
will all perish in tyranny.
How could life be the same without our Macs? Maybe YOU can get by
without your Mac, but I'd rather not try.
--
At 11:04 am -0600 7/25/01, regarding Handgun ban sig, Paul Stamsen penned:
- I wrote the questions to see if anyone would like to think about the
- sig and discuss it, not to generate heat.
-I have taken it to M2M: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
-
-Sorry for the initial mis-posting, but if
At 12:20 PM -0700 7/25/2001, Kyle Hansen wrote:
I'm still trying to find out what a -671 error is.
-671 is a connection proccesses error usually associated with an Open
Transport crash.
1) Where can I find a list of error codes and what they mean?
2) One thing I'll never understand is
I have a original Lisa...with the twin 'twiggy'
floppy drivesLast year, I was hanging around
an apple dealer, talking about Lisa's..when one of the
techs asked me if I really liked em..I said, heck YEAH!
He had me bring my car around to the back, and help me load three
LISAS into my car..a
At 20:29 -0400 on 25/07/01, Steve Moody wrote:
At 12:20 PM -0700 7/25/2001, Kyle Hansen wrote:
I'm still trying to find out what a -671 error is.
-671 is a connection proccesses error usually associated with an Open
Transport crash.
1) Where can I find a list of error codes and what they
I do however love my mac LC with 10 megs ram and an ethernet card...
system 7.5.3 although i'd like to find the update to 7.5.5 as I hear it
has
open transport built right in.
You would *REALLY* love it with System 7.1 -- much quicker and easier on
RAM demands. You would, however, need
?!?!?!? Blah! #@%%! An agent of Dark Side, and a dangerous one without
morals that is!
What does any of this have to do with the guy's morals or lack thereof ?
He may be a Republican, which is regrettable IMHO, but he's young and maybe
he'll come around. Changing a server from UNIX to NT
I have the opportunity to trade a bare bones Beige tower for a Lisa2. I'm
wondering if anyone thinks that's worth it. I have 4 G3 MT's that I am gonna
sell, but that trade
-- Kyle H. Hansen
What are you talking about? Hell yeah that's a good trade! Maybe not for the
guy losing the
They are TEMPTATIONS. People on a worldwide internet list (or anywhere, for
that matter) need to be mature enough to control themselves
Religion and Wayne Gretzky last week. Guns this week. So far so not good
in the self control dept.
Seems like a bit of an extreme step. If this
At 12:20 PM -0700 7/25/2001, Kyle Hansen wrote:
I'm still trying to find out what a -671 error is.
-671 is a connection proccesses error usually associated with an Open
Transport crash.
1) Where can I find a list of error codes and what they mean?
Install MACSBug. Or rather, get
Bye. I am a longtime lurker of this list, gleaning much needed help from
other people's common vintage mac problems.
Lately though, this list has become more of an arena for stupid flame wars
than aything remotely related to vintage macs. As a result, I fucking sick
and tired of burning my
I never said that life would be the same.
But I do have a IIfx (runs 24/7 as Eudora Email server), 2 IIcx (also
running various server software), a WGS 60, Quadra 650, 2 Mac II sitting on
a shelf waiting for a job to do, 4 Mac SE, an SE/30, 2 Performa 475 (both
running MacDNS 24/7), Quadra 635CD
512K
Plus (3 working, 3 non-working)
SE - USS Reliant
SE FDHD
LC - USS Oberth
IIcx
IIsi
IIci - Utopia Planitia (my main machine)
Performa 40 5 - USS Voyager
Performa 450
Quadra 605
My external HDs are DS9, USS Yorktown, USS Enterprise and USS Defiant (all
are down at this time unfortunately)
I
-Original Message-
From: Nick Canterucci [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Vintage Macs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:23 AM
Subject: my stash of Macs
Always interesting to see other forum members
collection of Macs..Here's mine
Lisa
sigh This one's bound to elude me
-Original Message-
From: THE ROCK [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Vintage Macs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Handgun ban sig, personal attacks
There is no danger in a man liking guns, any more than there's
a danger in him expressing his liking of God, or
-Original Message-
From: Kyle Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Vintage Macs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: my stash of Macs
I have the opportunity to trade a bare bones Beige tower for a Lisa2. I'm
wondering if anyone thinks that's worth it. I have
--- Amber Rhea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have the opportunity to trade a bare bones Beige
tower for a Lisa2. I'm
wondering if anyone thinks that's worth it. I
have 4 G3 MT's that I am gonna
sell, but that trade
-- Kyle H. Hansen
What are you talking about? Hell yeah
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