Re: Surreptitious, but not subversive, downloading

2002-08-03 Thread Mark Benson
While this ought to be over on the mac-n-dos list, I'll tell you anyway. ;) Ditto but it's list traffic and I've been trying to build that up recently so I've been relatively lenient (what with all this copyright discussion and all) with OTs as the list has a habit of grinding to a halt

Re: Why Macs need disk drivers. Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-03 Thread mart
He's educated all of us. Stick around. The best is yet to come . . . It is? There it was! Indeed: wow. ¬mart -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at

Re: Why Macs need disk drivers. Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-03 Thread Marten van de Kraats
I spent alot more time than that locating the Silverlining which now apparently has me all screwed up. I usually carpet bomb hard disks with weird drivers. I put them in the tray, connect the wires and then start up from a floppy with Lido or the Micronet Utility (the patched hdsc is also an

Re: Surreptitious, but not subversive, downloading

2002-08-03 Thread Marten van de Kraats
Mark Benson, our list-nanny wrote: ... I've been trying to build [list traffic] up recently so I've been relatively lenient (what with all this copyright discussion and all) with OTs as the list has a habit of grinding to a halt without them ;) The copyright discussion was very much on topic. It

Good-bye, Steven

2002-08-03 Thread Dan Knight
I've already replied off list, in case Steven managed to unsubscribe himself, but there are issues that impact the list. Steven writes: Evidently my request to the digest list wasn't honored. In which case, send an email to the list manager. 10 hours later I get this nonsense again. What

Re: Surreptitious, but not subversive, downloading

2002-08-03 Thread mart
Mark Benson: I've been relatively lenient (what with all this copyright discussion and all) Marten: The copyright discussion was very much on topic. It is beyond me that you can't see that. Vintage Macs isn't only about hardware but also about the (copyrighted) software without which the

Install type, how to check?

2002-08-03 Thread mart
Can anybody tell me how I can check what type of installation was chosen, for a certain OS? Suppose I have a HD with 7.5.5. that works with my IIci and LC's and I want to take it out to somebody who has a PowerMac without a HD. I wonder if it will boot. Any chance of checking that? ¬mart --

Some history

2002-08-03 Thread Gregg Eshelman
Hmm, this got way longer than anticipated. :) Even busted the list's 10K size limit. Next part in next message. :) If Dan thinks it's good enough for my much neglected Trailing Edge on Low End PC (or even *gasp* good enough for a spot somewhere on LEM) be my guest, I think it's a bit long and

Some history part 2.

2002-08-03 Thread Gregg Eshelman
Part 2 in response to why Macs use disk drivers and PCs (generally) don't. Here follows a history of the PC platform's trials and tribulations with the hard drive through the years. Reading it is optional. Since the IBM PC was introduced in 1981 and the Mac in 1984 (and the PC was in

Re: Install type, how to check?

2002-08-03 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- mart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anybody tell me how I can check what type of installation was chosen, for a certain OS? Suppose I have a HD with 7.5.5. that works with my IIci and LC's and I want to take it out to somebody who has a PowerMac without a HD. I wonder if it will boot.

Re: Why Macs need disk drivers. Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-03 Thread william ahearn
Gregg Eshelman wrote: --- william ahearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's educated all of us. Stick around. The best is yet to come . . . It is? Well, maybe not. But one can always hope . . . -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronics

Re: Some history

2002-08-03 Thread Teri Pittman
At 05:45 AM 08/03/2002 -0700, you wrote: Hmm, this got way longer than anticipated. :) Even busted the list's 10K size limit. Next part in next message. :) If Dan thinks it's good enough for my much neglected Trailing Edge on Low End PC (or even *gasp* good enough for a spot somewhere on LEM) be

Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-03 Thread Gamba
From: Visionary [EMAIL PROTECTED] How do I tell if a version is hacked or not? Simply by whether it works or doesn't? The unhacked Apple version is titled Apple HD SC Setup 7.3.5. The hacked version is titled HD SC Setup 7.3.5 (patched). I've never seen a download for the hacked version. It's

Re: Install type, how to check?

2002-08-03 Thread william ahearn
Gregg Eshelman wrote: --- mart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a little util that will check a file, even the System file, to see if it has FAT code in it. If it does then it will boot a Vintage Mac and some PowerMacs. (Depends on which Mac OS version which PowerMacs it would boot.)

Re: Install type, how to check?

2002-08-03 Thread mart
--- mart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anybody tell me how I can check what type of installation was chosen, for a certain OS? Suppose I have a HD with 7.5.5. that works with my IIci and LC's and I want to take it out to somebody who has a PowerMac without a HD. I wonder if it will boot.

Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-03 Thread J.S. Garrison
-- From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vintage Macs) Subject: Re: More about the Whiney Drives Date: Fri, Aug 2, 2002, 10:17 PM We were discussing HARD DRIVES, nothing else. There is no special driver installed on the hard drive. The OS supports the hard

Re: Install type, how to check?

2002-08-03 Thread mart
Gregg Eshelman wrote: --- mart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a little util that will check a file, even the System file, to see if it has FAT code in it. If it does then it will boot a Vintage Mac and some PowerMacs. (Depends on which Mac OS version which PowerMacs it would boot.)

Re: Install type, how to check?

2002-08-03 Thread the pickle
At 05:51 -0700 on 03/08/02, Gregg Eshelman wrote: --- mart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anybody tell me how I can check what type of installation was chosen, for a certain OS? Suppose I have a HD with 7.5.5. that works with my IIci and LC's and I want to take it out to somebody who has a

Re: Some history

2002-08-03 Thread mart
Thank you very much for your clear and thorough explanation, Gregg. With some pictures of distressed guys like me and my housemates, around 1994, in the middle of the night, floppies and coffee mugs all over the place, approaching a deadline, trying to figure of what on earth were heads or

Re: Some history parts 1 2.

2002-08-03 Thread Donn Haven Lathrop
A pair of mating Kudos to Gregg. That one goes in the archives. That little lecture was the best I've run into since factory school on my first computer--no HD, 8K mag core memory, 1 Mhz clock, and all the A. Gold (1964) you could handle. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/

Re: Some history parts 1 2.

2002-08-03 Thread william ahearn
Donn Haven Lathrop wrote: A pair of mating Kudos to Gregg. That one goes in the archives. I'll withhold mating kudos but it should be on LEM. Thanks again. William -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com |

Re: Install type, how to check?

2002-08-03 Thread mart
I've got one called PowerPCheck FAT v3.2. Should be easy to find. I knew it was Bob F who mentioned it! Thanks. Before I left to pick up a dirt-cheap 7300 without HD, hence the question, the guy told me on the phone that he'd found a OS 8 CD from which the Mac booted nicely. That was enough

Re: Install type, how to check?

2002-08-03 Thread Gregg Eshelman
Most early PowerMacs will boot from a 7.5 boot disk. 7.5 through 8.1 have two boot disks, one for 68k and one for PPC. If you have a 601 upgrade in a 68k, the 8.1 PPC boot disk will work as-is. (Maybe 8.0 too, never tried it.) 7.6 PPC boot disk requires an enabler for a 601 upgrade but 7.6